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Title: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Turkhammer on November 09, 2011, 04:54:14 pm

How do I get to craft  weps/armor other than what my character has?  Right now I can only craft expensive items like poleaxes and bec de corbin.  I can't craft staffs or other lower weps which I do have in my main's inventory.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: J_Paul_T on November 09, 2011, 05:39:30 pm

You need to get chadztext with those items

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Beat on November 09, 2011, 06:45:20 pm

Although the developers say they want to change it, currently the system works this way:

When you are playing cRPG, sometimes a message appears saying something like "All thine hard work payeth off...".  Whatever items you have equipped at that moment are given 3 crafting points and whatever items you do not have equipped lose 1 crafting point.  (you can never go below 0)  This is why most people can only craft expensive items, it's what they wear most of the time in cRPG.  If you started with a horse, shield, pike or something and lose it during the battle and then get the message, you will not get crafting points for those items you dropped or lost during battle.  Only the items you actually have on you when the message appears will count.

I have no idea how to get the message to appear in a reliable way.

Personally, I have been wearing cheap gear for an entire generation hoping to get the message so I can make gear for Strat.  My cRPG performance suffers but I am making progress toward crafting affordable equipment.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Turkhammer on November 10, 2011, 05:31:07 pm

Ah...valuable information.  Thanks guys.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Jarlek on November 10, 2011, 07:06:35 pm

http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Crafting

You guys think I explained it properly?

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Turkhammer on November 10, 2011, 07:22:57 pm

Suggestion: specify the message that you see in crpg.  "All thine hard work..."

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Vovka on November 11, 2011, 07:53:41 am

Quote from: Zapper on November 10, 2011, 07:06:35 pm

http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Crafting

You guys think I explained it properly?

yep

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: dodnet on November 11, 2011, 10:15:00 am

Quote from: Turkhammer on November 10, 2011, 07:22:57 pm

Suggestion: specify the message that you see in crpg.  "All thine hard work..."

Yes please!

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Jarlek on November 11, 2011, 11:40:12 am

Quote from: Vovka on November 11, 2011, 07:53:41 am

yep

8-)
I ought to get a 'loompoint for all the additions I made to that wiki! Too bad so few people actually look at it :(

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on November 11, 2011, 01:47:43 pm

Nice one Zapper. The Wiki actually looks useful now! When I first saw it it was pretty blank. There should be a link stickied in guides.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Jarlek on November 11, 2011, 02:26:43 pm

Quote from: Tomas_of_Miles on November 11, 2011, 01:47:43 pm

Nice one Zapper. The Wiki actually looks useful now! When I first saw it it was pretty blank. There should be a link stickied in guides.

Thank you. My main problems are finding all the information I need, getting the correct formulas from the devs and bothering to write something useful. Still, I occasionally just go there and hit "random page" until I find something in need of improvement and add whatever I think it needs. The times I add new pages is when people repeats the same question over and over again, even with 10+ threads with the same problem in the board they just posted theirs in.

Would be nice to have a Q&A with the devs, though, so I could more easily add to the wiki without fearing I'm putting out false/wrong/incomplete info.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Turkhammer on November 12, 2011, 03:37:21 pm

+1 for your efforts Zapper. 

I don't know why the devs are not more forthcoming with info or documentation.  Perhaps they feel it's a work in progress and not worth documenting yet?

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Blondin on November 12, 2011, 05:13:06 pm

Quote from: Turkhammer on November 12, 2011, 03:37:21 pm

+1 for your efforts Zapper. 

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Tovi on November 15, 2011, 07:44:15 pm

Anyway, crafting weapons doesn't worth the time spent. You'd better craft good and buy cheap items.
Now, I perma-craft good in a village, sell them 1 or 2 time a day and buy stuff withe the money gained.
When i've enough money to travel without my upkeep decreasing money to 0, I go to the closest castle to recruit. Then I come back to the village.
Right now, i lead 105 men, lightly equiped.

I think that the time lost to travel map is too expensive when you have to pay your men. It's too dangerous because you have to travel with a lot of money to pay your men, a lot of good to sell and few men to pay... If I see that kind of caravan close to my village, it would be an easy prey.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Digglez on November 15, 2011, 08:21:32 pm

Quote from: Tovi on November 15, 2011, 07:44:15 pm

Anyway, crafting weapons doesn't worth the time spent. You'd better craft good and buy cheap items

WRONG, completely wrong.  If you have even like 5 skill in an item, especially something over say 100-200 gold you are far better off crafting.  One of our officers has only played for 2 months or less and is gen3 and has 30+ skill in items hes worn all the time.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Tovi on November 15, 2011, 09:28:06 pm

Ok, i'm lvl9 skill on crafting plate covered shield, 45% discount. So what ? I won't equip 100 men with a 90 gold shield, I just buy them some "4 coins shield", quite enough against arrows before close combat.

Look :  if I need 20 shields, I could craft those plate shield in 20 hours. Total : 20x90= 1800 gold +20 (city cost)
20 hours crafting goods , I gain 240 gold - 20 (city fee) = 220 gold. I buy 20 4 gold shields: 220-80= +140
First case cost me 1800 ( almost 200 hours of craft working to build+making money)
Second case : I have +140 gold, so I can travel to recruit more soldiers etc.

In 150 hours, you just have 20 big shields, I have a fully light  equiped army of 100 guys...

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Digglez on November 15, 2011, 10:03:05 pm

Quote from: Tovi on November 15, 2011, 09:28:06 pm

Ok, i'm lvl9 skill on crafting plate covered shield, 45% discount. So what ? I won't equip 100 men with a 90 gold shield, I just buy them some "4 coins shield", quite enough against arrows before close combat.

Look :  if I need 20 shields, I could craft those plate shield in 20 hours. Total : 20x90= 1800 gold +20 (city cost)
20 hours crafting goods , I gain 240 gold - 20 (city fee) = 220 gold. I buy 20 4 gold shields: 220-80= +140
First case cost me 1800 ( almost 200 hours of craft working to build+making money)
Second case : I have +140 gold, so I can travel to recruit more soldiers etc.

In 150 hours, you just have 20 big shields, I have a fully light  equiped army of 100 guys...

LOL you are comparing a shield that shatters in 1 good melee hit to one of the better shields in the game?  Gee thats a fair comparison.

Also, if you havent noticed, the # of items you get per hour is your skill with that item.  9 skill means you will craft 9 an hour.

If you are only making 240g a day you are doing something very wrong.  On average you should be making AT LEAST 20g per hour, crafting in a poor town and selling in a rich town.  20g x 24h = 480g/day.  You could afford to make those shields in under 4 days, assuming you play a little bit of cRPG to cover 1g visting fees for village

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Dach on November 16, 2011, 03:46:28 am

Digglez, don't try to reason them... crafting your own stuff clearly isn't worth the time...

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trololololololol, I shall crush you peasant army with my medium equipment army that costed me the same as your peasant stuff!  :twisted:

when you get 50% in price reduction that mean that you can have a item 2x better for the same price and a "little" time investment. Even more bonus if the item you craft is an heirloomed one.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Tovi on November 16, 2011, 11:03:51 am

I crafted a plated shield and I only got 1, not 9.

Title: Re: Crafting arms and armor
Post by: Dach on November 16, 2011, 05:31:03 pm

when was that? chadz changed that, at first it wasn't that fast. Now it is.

Also make sure you got enough gold to produce 9...