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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: peon_for_hire on February 10, 2011, 07:16:57 am
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Can someone show me my errors?
Right now I'm using,
- Khergit Bow
- Bodkin Arrows
It seems no matter how many times I hit the enemy with arrows they don't die. It doesn't matter if they're heavily armored, lightly armored or have even no armor at all.
Am I using the wrong bow? Am I using the wrong kind of arrows? Is my stats just not good enough yet?
Thanks.
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I am sorry to say archery sucks now. I did some testing in the duel server on willing dummies (thank you!) From a heirloomed strong bow using bodkins it took 1 to 2 for a naked guy and about 4 to 5 arrows for a medium armour guy and 10 for tincan with 2 glances off his shiny ass. If you want to do range now go with throwing, archery is just bad now.
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Can someone show me my errors?
Right now I'm using,
- Khergit Bow
- Bodkin Arrows
It seems no matter how many times I hit the enemy with arrows they don't die. It doesn't matter if they're heavily armored, lightly armored or have even no armor at all.
Am I using the wrong bow? Am I using the wrong kind of arrows? Is my stats just not good enough yet?
Thanks.
Its a matter of your power draw, which not only increases damage by 8% per level, but also penetration power with all armor so that your final damage after armor is increased even more then that 8%. Try doing a build for khergit bow with 6 preferably 7 powerdraw and 6 weaponmaster all in archery. If you need to retire before this is possible then heirloom your bow as well. Also, be aware that with the shoot speed nerf from the latest patch update you will notice long range shots lose a lot of damage. As the arrow travels farther to its target it loses damage from speed and the weaker your bow's shoot speed and the lower your power draw the faster this happens (another reason to boost power draw to increase damage by increasing shoot speed).
Before that most recent patch the khergit bow was the ideal bow for balance betwen draw speed, damage, and shoot speed. Post the shoot speed nerf, strong bow is the best way to go (half the archers use it now,off topic - wish there were real advantages and disadvantages to each bow so the variety would return again, maybe make hunting bow 100 speed again or something). The warbow now has the exact same shoot speed as the strong bow adn only +3 cut damage which doesnt compensate for the slower draw speed. The longbow has its uses but in archer duels you will be dominated almost every time by the dramatically lower draw speed of every other bow, hella dedicated xbowman can probably reload faster then you can draw.
Heirloom your strong bow, retire and go for more power draw and you will find yourself doing some serious damage. A clanmate recently did 13 powerdraw with a longbow and was 1 shot killing a lot of people but his draw speed was almost twice as long as mine with an heirloomed strong bow. But the reduced accuracy of the reticules was compensated by the straight as an arrow (pardon the pun) shots with all the shoot speed from longbow and 14 powerdraw. The thing to do is play around with it and find what works for you in balancing accuracy, speed, and damage. I am looking forward to trying 8 powerdraw with 6 weaponamster all in archery with an heirloomed strong bow but only 3 athletics as 14 converted points, should be good damage. Also, if you retire multiple times, your 2nd heirloom of your bodkin arrows adds +2 pierce damage, whicha s being pierce can be significant, but your bow is better to heirloom first 3 times.(+1 shoot speed, +1 damage -1st heirloom, +1 shoot speed, +1 draw speed, +1 damage, +1 accuracy -2nd, 3rd heirlooms each).
However, if you want something easy, formless is right, go with throwing until chadz finally gets around to rebalancing throwing with everything else (same thing with polearm stun, but thats a whole nother thread).
Hope this helps.
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Also, and I say it way too often but it's true, at least a 1/3 of all your kills should be headshots if you're doing archery right. A lot of people don't realize this. This is the single reason damage is good, but accuracy is better.
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Just to give an idea about how strong are bows actually, I must warn you some may find this disturbing because they are killing an innocent creature there. Hunting a lion with bow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaf_YR1GH5I&NR=1
one shot knocks a male lion down, he cant move after a single shot. so that means 1 shot can kill a man i think.
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I think the hunters should be shot. It would be interesting to see how many arrows they can take.
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Just to give an idea about how strong are bows actually, I must warn you some may find this disturbing because they are killing an innocent creature there. Hunting a lion with bow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaf_YR1GH5I&NR=1
one shot knocks a male lion down, he cant move after a single shot. so that means 1 shot can kill a man i think.
Is this an appeal to realism? Gameplay take precedence over realism; using the realism argument will get you nowhere here.
And even if realism was our main concern: the lion in that video is not wearing armour - cover it in heavy mail and killing it would not be so easy; also, in reality, bows are so incredibly innaccurate they have to be used en masse - you cannot hope to hit individual targets at battlefield ranges in the way players do in cRPG.
Be careful what you wish for. If you really want realistic archery, it might just make archery almost useless! You have it VERY easy at the moment.
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agree, im against hunting for sports. that video made me a little sad. but i dont wanna see a man getting shot, they may deserve but i dont like it.
btw the bows are so fast in the game i think
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@Rakolnikov You are right using a bow is not that easy like in the game its not possible to use it in close distances like in the game. bows used for assasinations or big wars that enemy crowds there to shot randomly. if i d make a game there d be no aim on screen but arrow goes on the direction it has on the bow and strength prevents u from shakin it when drawn, no dex its up to ur skills. I dont want a nerf for bows btw i didnt try warbow or long bow yet so i cant say bows are weak.
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Forget it. Ask chadz what does he mean with : I want to make Archer special.
If you want many kills use 2h or 1h with shield and spam around. The fun of playing archer has been exterminated.
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Archers are not supposed to make "many kills."
Archer's best as a support class, though they can still definitely kill. They're not snipers out of CoD.
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yea your right xant, they are definitely make to annoy players and dont kill them. Only to stun enemies and let do 1hs 2hs the rest.
Are you kidding us Xant? Why inf demand : dont SHOOT in MELEE AAARRGH!
And in addition, who wants to be the weaken guy only get on enemies nerves, stun them etc. ?
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yea your right xant, they are definitely make to annoy players and dont kill them. Only to stun enemies and let do 1hs 2hs the rest.
Are you kidding us Xant? Why inf demand : dont SHOOT in MELEE AAARRGH!
And in addition, who wants to be the weaken guy only get on enemies nerves, stun them etc. ?
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Game balance. If archers would be these snipers with 1-2 hit kill arrows, there would be no reason to play melee. Arrows can only be blocked by a shield that's facing the archer. The archer isn't in danger himself, he gets to shoot freely forever.
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Not in danger? Archer´s style is to get off the battle and shoot from far away. But as you see, someone is confused he cant kill a naked guy. Game balance?
I see many HXB, why that? Perhaps the balance has fade HA to HXB? Wow now we have such players who really get on inf nerves, shooting => riding away :shock:
The main problem was strategus. There Archers were OP because they covered on their own the whole fort. But in normal game is no wall you have to climb up.
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Fucking son of a whore shooting that lion...
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It is simply that too many people around the boss around have howled around.
I can help with my super nice 2 hands to rush forward and beat down everything, asking me these Nobbs Archers take no skill and can have breakfast with one hand and take with the other 30 kills.
Then howled CAV friends from the boss around ... Since you want a comfortable ride Rudne all down and then bang bang do not have a chance, which I take as the horse ...
Therefore, the cry now as beautiful on the OP thrower ^ ^
All they do not like about the joy of playing, got to go.
And as befits a boss, he follows ...
To be able to sell it, it is called class Supporter ^ ^ as if it was an RPG ...
and therefore we can not make any damage.
It is absolutely Laughable when you look at the siege servers almost naked 2 hands can do 3o + Kills, although they must attack. You may not care, they have to run 8 + and hence to make hard though to little ninja armor need ... 5 + connected ... until then're long dead himself ^ ^
yourself to blame, but he do headshots, if he can not see ... yes, no skill, the Archer.
You can rotate as you want, the 2 excuse is even harder, they call it: instead of gameplay balance realism. ^ ^
Again only an excuse for the two hands, my opinion.
Why made easy ... race you with a shield and 1 hand = rum call them up turtle ...
For 2 hands are there so I know nothing ^ ^ because that's Skilled ^ ^
On the subject of game balance so you can see that it succeeded perfectly ^ ^ is managed perfectly horses nearly all the plates to take from the game, because who is not now rides on the white horse over and nothing can ...
So we take the 105 + sword the white horse and waving around funny haste of whom fear? ...
Ohja Yes, there are the 3 bad habit here crossbow in the game ... But this is the Audibles also still betting that one?
In that sense .. who knows the boss and can cry is a great sales man ^ ^
I will always be a mystery why the 2 hands with 40 + damage and 5-8? PS everyone can rock away from all things one hit ... or my super turtle with my 38 heirloom sword, may make only 1-2 shots and Archer must be dead.
But a pitcher with 46 damage and 10 axes or more PT but can not tell me ... One Hitter? heul Cheffe to run putting thieving says he listens again.
This horse can run faster than arrows fly ^ ^
I myself have a Master Work Strong Bow and 2 Arrows better ... and only 6 PD ^ ^ with 21 Agi and it is not enough in 4-6 arrows to kill someone. That'll give you one ^ ^
But Reallismus is not asked, so great were the Bogis not, there were few who really could Khan, Cupid, etc. Posie was the only remaining ... but for open tanks without a shield it was enough, but who was now the loser ...
As the Italians who come to a shootout with a knife ... and who are now Itas, each representing, for sure ..
Soon we all run around with 2 hands or all sit on the white horse.
One is completely left out of account, the cost of everything .. 2 hands + 1 defense weapon? Arch = Archer + dears + 2 x arrows and melee weapon is considerably more expensive than talking .. and now we not wear expensive armor 2 hands ... laughable.
You're still cool to look like a hedgehog on it to show what tough guys ... and what you are for real men.
Thanks
Google translate ^^
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Its a matter of your power draw, which not only increases damage by 8% per level, but also penetration power with all armor so that your final damage after armor is increased even more then that 8%. Try doing a build for khergit bow with 6 preferably 7 powerdraw and 6 weaponmaster all in archery. If you need to retire before this is possible then heirloom your bow as well. Also, be aware that with the shoot speed nerf from the latest patch update you will notice long range shots lose a lot of damage. As the arrow travels farther to its target it loses damage from speed and the weaker your bow's shoot speed and the lower your power draw the faster this happens (another reason to boost power draw to increase damage by increasing shoot speed).
Before that most recent patch the khergit bow was the ideal bow for balance betwen draw speed, damage, and shoot speed. Post the shoot speed nerf, strong bow is the best way to go (half the archers use it now,off topic - wish there were real advantages and disadvantages to each bow so the variety would return again, maybe make hunting bow 100 speed again or something). The warbow now has the exact same shoot speed as the strong bow adn only +3 cut damage which doesnt compensate for the slower draw speed. The longbow has its uses but in archer duels you will be dominated almost every time by the dramatically lower draw speed of every other bow, hella dedicated xbowman can probably reload faster then you can draw.
Heirloom your strong bow, retire and go for more power draw and you will find yourself doing some serious damage. A clanmate recently did 13 powerdraw with a longbow and was 1 shot killing a lot of people but his draw speed was almost twice as long as mine with an heirloomed strong bow. But the reduced accuracy of the reticules was compensated by the straight as an arrow (pardon the pun) shots with all the shoot speed from longbow and 14 powerdraw. The thing to do is play around with it and find what works for you in balancing accuracy, speed, and damage. I am looking forward to trying 8 powerdraw with 6 weaponamster all in archery with an heirloomed strong bow but only 3 athletics as 14 converted points, should be good damage. Also, if you retire multiple times, your 2nd heirloom of your bodkin arrows adds +2 pierce damage, whicha s being pierce can be significant, but your bow is better to heirloom first 3 times.(+1 shoot speed, +1 damage -1st heirloom, +1 shoot speed, +1 draw speed, +1 damage, +1 accuracy -2nd, 3rd heirlooms each).
However, if you want something easy, formless is right, go with throwing until chadz finally gets around to rebalancing throwing with everything else (same thing with polearm stun, but thats a whole nother thread).
Hope this helps.
Thank you, that was good read. :)
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It is simply that too many people around the boss around have howled around.
I can help with my super nice 2 hands to rush forward and beat down everything, asking me these Nobbs Archers take no skill and can have breakfast with one hand and take with the other 30 kills.
Then howled CAV friends from the boss around ... Since you want a comfortable ride Rudne all down and then bang bang do not have a chance, which I take as the horse ...
Therefore, the cry now as beautiful on the OP thrower ^ ^
All they do not like about the joy of playing, got to go.
And as befits a boss, he follows ...
To be able to sell it, it is called class Supporter ^ ^ as if it was an RPG ...
and therefore we can not make any damage.
It is absolutely Laughable when you look at the siege servers almost naked 2 hands can do 3o + Kills, although they must attack. You may not care, they have to run 8 + and hence to make hard though to little ninja armor need ... 5 + connected ... until then're long dead himself ^ ^
yourself to blame, but he do headshots, if he can not see ... yes, no skill, the Archer.
You can rotate as you want, the 2 excuse is even harder, they call it: instead of gameplay balance realism. ^ ^
Again only an excuse for the two hands, my opinion.
Why made easy ... race you with a shield and 1 hand = rum call them up turtle ...
For 2 hands are there so I know nothing ^ ^ because that's Skilled ^ ^
On the subject of game balance so you can see that it succeeded perfectly ^ ^ is managed perfectly horses nearly all the plates to take from the game, because who is not now rides on the white horse over and nothing can ...
So we take the 105 + sword the white horse and waving around funny haste of whom fear? ...
Ohja Yes, there are the 3 bad habit here crossbow in the game ... But this is the Audibles also still betting that one?
In that sense .. who knows the boss and can cry is a great sales man ^ ^
I will always be a mystery why the 2 hands with 40 + damage and 5-8? PS everyone can rock away from all things one hit ... or my super turtle with my 38 heirloom sword, may make only 1-2 shots and Archer must be dead.
But a pitcher with 46 damage and 10 axes or more PT but can not tell me ... One Hitter? heul Cheffe to run putting thieving says he listens again.
This horse can run faster than arrows fly ^ ^
I myself have a Master Work Strong Bow and 2 Arrows better ... and only 6 PD ^ ^ with 21 Agi and it is not enough in 4-6 arrows to kill someone. That'll give you one ^ ^
But Reallismus is not asked, so great were the Bogis not, there were few who really could Khan, Cupid, etc. Posie was the only remaining ... but for open tanks without a shield it was enough, but who was now the loser ...
As the Italians who come to a shootout with a knife ... and who are now Itas, each representing, for sure ..
Soon we all run around with 2 hands or all sit on the white horse.
One is completely left out of account, the cost of everything .. 2 hands + 1 defense weapon? Arch = Archer + dears + 2 x arrows and melee weapon is considerably more expensive than talking .. and now we not wear expensive armor 2 hands ... laughable.
You're still cool to look like a hedgehog on it to show what tough guys ... and what you are for real men.
Thanks
Google translate ^^
Lol...... google translate ftw.
I literally didn't understand a single thing you said.
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I kind of like the state of archery atm (being a melee fo life myself). A few months ago cRPG was filled with archers and only the most tincanned people survived that arrow storm at start.
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Its hillarious how the Archer Haters argument over....
I was a HA before patch and many hated me.....to be honest there were 3 issues in archers:
- very fast shooting speed.....it must be nerfed
- on strategus even low lvls had pin point accuracy and in combination with poor armor (as ist was in 80% of the Strategus battles) Archery was a major pain in the ass
- As a lvl 41 Horse Archer i had pin point accuracy even with heavy armor (vaegir elite armor, vaegir elite mask, etc.) which was too much, the weight effected accuracy not that much as the damage
But now
- Dmg is totally gimped out
- Accuracy as Horse Archers has gone totally
- The Animation suckz hairy ballz
And why?
Because 70% of the Infantry wanted to wield 2h and walk a bloody path of hack and slay like Conan the Barbarian. Archers dont focused the Horses and searched for the next best Peasant to ROFL Kill them. There were 4-6 Good Horse Archers...the Rest was a bunch of totally gimps.
And then the whine:
Archers are Supporter:
i mean there were empires who conquered vast empire with support troops? GTFO
Lies:
Tincans who whined that they were 1 shooted by archers.....GTFO
Historical Issues:
Old fucking debate about "iam a knight in shiny armor!!! lol i cant be killed from wooden sticks", but running like usain bolt could swing 10 ibs weapons 1000 times like a industry robot.
Believe me Guys its all about opinion of the guys who doesnt play clever but we must face the consequences :-(
Sad but true
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The damage is crap only if your PD is low - with 6 and especially 7 PD (I had that) it's not low at all. 14% per level does its job - when I did my archer for one gen (with a very strong bow) I loved it before the arrow damage boost. A low PD agimonkey with a khergit bow would take 10% of my HP in one hit ( I wore mail, 5 IF, 21 str etc), I'd take about 50% of his in one hit :twisted:
But anyway, get powerdraw. Not having 18 str nowdays as an archer means you're more interested in running away then doing actual damage. 21 str is also perfectly feasible too. Having one more level of powerdraw then the bow requirement is really good to have. 6-7 powerstrike also means you can fight in melee quite damn well.
Basically, I had a similar K/D as an polearm+archer and as a polearm+crossbowman (a bit above 2:1 before I retired), they're both quite nice classes to play, nicer then eg. pure melee.
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Fucking son of a whore shooting that lion...
The lion deserved it. All animals do. We humans are number 1 on the food chain and should be able to kill any animal we want as long as there is enough of them, whether it be for food, or just to have fun when drinking with friends, or to take a trophy. How anyone can find hunting to be more offensive than the way that corporate farms treat their prison animals just astounds me. Anyway, buff archers!
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Well... there is no lack of chickens or cows or pigs, but lions get extinct because of such cool "I shot a lion, I has a big penis" idiots. Go shoot some deer or simply get another hobbie.
And, nerf throwing!! :rolleyes:
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Just to give an idea about how strong are bows actually, I must warn you some may find this disturbing because they are killing an innocent creature there. Hunting a lion with bow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaf_YR1GH5I&NR=1
one shot knocks a male lion down, he cant move after a single shot. so that means 1 shot can kill a man i think.
Where's the sport in walking up to a predator that doesn't fear you at all, and shooting it in the face?