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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: sWalker on November 07, 2011, 01:29:55 am
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The sWalker would like to recommend a retirement option that gives players a reason to retire again. It will also help lower level players, since they won't have to fight against level 33-34-35 players every day.
The Heirloom could be named..."of the gods," and the improvement should be +1 to speed and damage on weapons, and the same as the x3 heirloom changes on armor.
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I like the sound of "Legendary" a wee bit better, bit this is an interesting idea.
Inspired from that one chadz troll post a while ago?
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The sWalker likes legendary as well, but didn't want to sound like the sWalker was stealing from WOW.
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The VVarlord is confused why you speak like this...
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The sWalker likes legendary as well, but didn't want to sound like the sWalker was stealing from WOW.
I never played much of WoW, never could get into it, I had no idea.
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bleh, i'd rather you just get multiple regular heirloom points instead of a 4th tier.
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I feel that that Every level above 30 should yield an Heirloom point, considering that at 31 (1 heirloom point), it's already double the xp from 1-30, and from lvl 31-32, it's .... well.. I don't know how much xp it is, but I'm assuming it's more than 4.6 million.
I always associate heirlooms with time investment whether it be so many hours to get enough xp to get to 31, or so many hours to get so much gold to buy an heirloom.
So 31= 1 heirloom, 32 = 2 heirlooms, 33= 3 heirlooms, 4, 5, whatever.
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No.
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Can we think for a second about what this would actually do to the current economy as well as the rest of crpg before trying to get something like this implemented, please? This would have rather far reaching consequences on how crpg is played. :|
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I would like retiring at 33-4 gives you legendary +1 speed/+2 damage as you give up more than that by being lower level. Level 35 retirement gives you "of the Gods" or "kesh's thunderbolt of" and gives it +3 speed/+5 damage/+3 shoot speed and laser guided missles.
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I would like retiring at 33-4 gives you legendary +1 speed/+2 damage as you give up more than that by being lower level. Level 35 retirement gives you "of the Gods" or "kesh's thunderbolt of" and gives it +3 speed/+5 damage/+3 shoot speed and laser guided missles.
No, it gives a tactical nuke you can use once every ten minutes. 3 slots ofc or OP!
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No. Three loom points is enough to any item. It would completely unbalance the game.
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how bout at 31 you can retire for 1 loom point, and at 33 you can retire to insta MW an item. (considering 33 takes like 37mil xp... its not OP)
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The sWalker would like to recommend a retirement option that gives players a reason to retire again. It will also help lower level players, since they won't have to fight against level 33-34-35 players every day.
The Heirloom could be named..."of the gods," and the improvement should be +1 to speed and damage on weapons, and the same as the x3 heirloom changes on armor.
clearly it would be better for lower level players because instead of playing against lvl 30 players they get to play against lvl 31 and 32...
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ya it would make people HAVE to lvl up thta high it would suck
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Hmmm. Maybe if you retire at level 35, you can make one of your items legendary. Additionally, only 1 legendary item of the type should be allowed universally (meaning if someone already has a legendary Danish Greatsword, no one else will be able to make one).
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waaait! why don't just implement a feature to NAME an item after us, or as we want, after 4th retirement?
I'd love to see Kajias huscarl somewhere, or trade some really unique named weapons from others, say Tors Nordic Warlord Helmet or something.
And who doesn't want an epic Item of an epic player? huh? That's legendary I'd say.
I think of this name as a replacer for the prefix 'masterwork' etc.
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I'm against all kinds of looms, even more against looms for lvl 33+ as it only encourages lifeless grind.
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waaait! why don't just implement a feature to NAME an item after us, or as we want, after 4th retirement?
I'd love to see Kajias huscarl somewhere, or trade some really unique named weapons from others, say Tors Nordic Warlord Helmet or something.
And who doesn't want an epic Item of an epic player? huh? That's legendary I'd say.
I think of this name as a replacer for the prefix 'masterwork' etc.
This would have been nice from the beginning to see where each heirloom came from.
Which noobs poophammer got all his gear from :D
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Which noobs poophammer got all his gear from :D
yeah, and then we see he doesn't even got a poophammer himself.
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I would say leave the hairlooms as they are but to get that +4 point you have to retire at lvl 35.
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Hmmm. Maybe if you retire at level 35, you can make one of your items legendary. Additionally, only 1 legendary item of the type should be allowed universally (meaning if someone already has a legendary Danish Greatsword, no one else will be able to make one).
YES!
Epic suggestion!
That way, only very few People will have legendarys(lvl 35 is one bitch) AND they will be even more precious.Should only be doable with a +3 item already.
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How about the 4th tier loom is purely visual, no added stats?
This gives incentive to the grinders/wantsSHINIES but does not unbalance the game.
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How about the 4th tier loom is purely visual, no added stats?
This gives incentive to the grinders/wantsSHINIES but does not unbalance the game.
Kajia's idea of name implemented is better for epenis and jokes. After the masterworked rus bow, here comes the "thunderbolt", same stats, same look. Or "ToD's doombringer", or whatever.
I'm sure there's people who'll retire just for this, i mean. It's... AWESOME !
It's... LEGEN... wait for it.... DARY !
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remove heirlooming .
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Insta MW weapon on lvl 33 sounds good, or 4th loom.
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Named heirlooms !!!
Epic !!!
I'm sure that even for a mere +1 speed and +1 damage, many people would retire at level 33 to have their name on a heap of bytes, myself included :o
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oh comeon,how many lvl 33 are in crpg?maybe 30, or 40, and half of them wouldnt retire for that 1 extra speed damage.. high lvls need some motivation.. if this is problem, make limit at lvl 34..
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Nah, no 4th loom level, if you want to give all people some motivation to keep playing, just do a plain reset :mrgreen:
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The sWalker likes Zagibu's suggestion to a degree. It would make it more worthwhile if you can only have one 4th level loom per person. The sWalker believes that only one of a kind in the game would be an unbalancing factor (i.e. nobody could work hard to have equal equipment in the area they desired).
A poll has been added. Please vote even if you don't comment, so the holy developers can garner information from their lowly followers at a glance.
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make it happen on lvl 34, and noone will be able to have 2..you know how much time u need for 34
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oh comeon,how many lvl 33 are in crpg?
~100
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just reached 33
Rank#121
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The sWalker likes Zagibu's suggestion to a degree. It would make it more worthwhile if you can only have one 4th level loom per person. The sWalker believes that only one of a kind in the game would be an unbalancing factor (i.e. nobody could work hard to have equal equipment in the area they desired).
Oh come one, how is +1 damage and +1 speed an unbalancing factor? Just think of how cool it would be to pick up "Goretooth's legendary Bec de Corbin". If everyone could have a legendary item, we'd have hundreds of legendary danish and german toothpicks lying on the battlefield...how dumb would that be?
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It would only increase the gap between veteran players and casual players.I voted no.
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Nope, adding another version of all the items we already have just so 30 people would use some of them would be silly.
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Nope, adding another version of all the items we already have just so 30 people would use some of them would be silly.
Good.
If anything should change past 32/33 it should be the Respec values, scale them so they actually fit with the amount of XP you have to make at those levels instead of pre-31.
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I think just naming would be perfectly fine. If people don't want to name their items they wouldn't miss any bonuses that way, and also there won't be any new model work necessary, just a new feature for all weapons for their possible names. can't be that hard.
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I think just naming would be perfectly fine. If people don't want to name their items they wouldn't miss any bonuses that way, and also there won't be any new model work necessary, just a new feature for all weapons for their possible names. can't be that hard.
No, i don't want to see great wangs and poop sticks on the ground.
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It would only increase the gap between veteran players and casual players.I voted no.
Mistaken assumption. Casual players can gain 4 looms in the time it will take a veteran to earn 1 of these. The gap would decrease. If you are looking to close the gap, well that will never happen. The closest you can get is to entice those lvl 33 and lvl 34 players to retire back to peasant. That way they have an extra 1 or 2 points on a weapon or armor instead of all that PLUS an extra 3 attribute points, extra skill point, extra wpf and health.
You should have voted yes if you want to close the gap between vets and recent players.
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Grannpappy, the sWalker knew he liked and respected you from the beginning. Now he knows it's because you are intelligent in addition to being a skilled player.
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Mistaken assumption. Casual players can gain 4 looms in the time it will take a veteran to earn 1 of these. The gap would decrease. If you are looking to close the gap, well that will never happen. The closest you can get is to entice those lvl 33 and lvl 34 players to retire back to peasant. That way they have an extra 1 or 2 points on a weapon or armor instead of all that PLUS an extra 3 attribute points, extra skill point, extra wpf and health.
You should have voted yes if you want to close the gap between vets and recent players.
rough xp vs retiring as you propose
1-31(1 loom)
31-32 (1 loom)
32-33(2 looms)
33-34(4 looms)
8 looms at 34, or 1 tier 3 + 1 at 33.
Call it ANOTHER 8 looms for level 35 - essentially 5 complete and 1 to spare.
That a full armor set and a beatstick.
So the argument could be made for vets NOT to retire.
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SUGGESTION FOR GEN 1's
LVL 33-34 : 1 LOOM
LVL 34-35 : 1 LOOM
AND SO ON
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Mistaken assumption. Casual players can gain 4 looms in the time it will take a veteran to earn 1 of these. The gap would decrease. If you are looking to close the gap, well that will never happen. The closest you can get is to entice those lvl 33 and lvl 34 players to retire back to peasant. That way they have an extra 1 or 2 points on a weapon or armor instead of all that PLUS an extra 3 attribute points, extra skill point, extra wpf and health.
You should have voted yes if you want to close the gap between vets and recent players.
Why is my assumption wrong?
For veteran player I define a player that already has a full loomed set(example: +3 danish +3 armor +3 gloves)
a new player can only come closer and closer to a veteran player, but if we give veterans a 4th level of loom what will it happen?yeah in the time they'll have a mw item the veteran will have a new 4th level item from a +3, but it's still an edge compared to a situation where the veteran simply can't loom anything new to get a wider gap.
let's examine the situation: new player(no looms) and veteran player(+3 danish +3 armor +3 gloves, just taking this as an example)
as it is now: in the time of 4 retirements the new player gets 4 looms, the veteran anything(1 level?2 if he is starting at level 31?)
after other 3 retirements the new player has 7 looms and the veteran player still didn't get anything(half 34 level?)
after other 2 retirements(9 total) the new player is pretty much in pair with the veteran player(veteran player is level 34, new player 31, and the gap can only come closer and closer)
with your method:
after 4 retirements our new player has one level 3 loom and a level one and the veteran a level 4 loom and three level 3
after 3 more retirements the new player has 2 mw and a +1 item, the veteran has 1 mw and two +4
as our new players gets 2 more looms(9 total, 3 mw)the veteran has three +4 item, thus having a wider gap compared to the first situation)
and as the new player and the veteran get another 8M exp he(the new one) would hit level 32, so it is:
new player level 32 with three +3 looms compared to level 34 with three +3 looms in the first case(just 2 level of difference)
compared to the second situation with a level 32 with 3 mw and a level 32 with three +4 items(3 items with +1 grade)
do you suppose that 2 more levels would be MORE than 3 items with 4th grade of loom instead of 3th?I think not
also in all those consideration we didn't take into account the huge difference of time between the dedication of a veteran player and a new player(a casual player would end destroyed in the comparison in every way)
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how bout at 31 you can retire for 1 loom point, and at 33 you can retire to insta MW an item. (considering 33 takes like 37mil xp... its not OP)
This
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I'd retire my level 33 in a whim to get a +4 long espada, so voted yes on the third option.
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just reached 33
Rank#121
Having just reached 33 as well, I am rank 125.
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There should be another reward for retiring at lvl34.
So you get +1 loom point and that reward.
Repair cost reduction maybe?
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I personally think the reward of getting to lvl 33+ is that you can have a much stronger build than others who's build is made only up to lvl 30.
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Ah yes! I will have 2 strenght and 2 unspent skill points over a level 31.
NERF
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how bout at 31 you can retire for 1 loom point, and at 33 you can retire to insta MW an item. (considering 33 takes like 37mil xp... its not OP)
THIS!
I've wanted this type of system for so long.
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THIS!
I've wanted this type of system for so long.
way easier to get loads of exp as maxed out char guys, that would be OP :)
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Bump.
This needs to be implemented, either a 4th loom or lvl 33 insta MW retirement. Retiring at lvl 31 isnt that much fun imo, dont get enough time to play with my full build.
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yeah give us sth to look forward to...
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It is an idea that does deserve to see the light of day. I recommend Lvl 34 heirloom (because I design lvl 33 builds :P )
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I voted no since i cant wait for this guy to release hes sexy loom models for cRPG http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4585.0.html plus if we had a 4th lvl heirloom he would have to start all over an it will take even moar time :rolleyes:
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If he made lvl 34 heirloom with the benefit equivalent of the first 3 looms x2, I would retire my level 35 character for a Legendary Horn Bow or Heroic Cavalry Robe, not sure yet which.
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Would you also retire for Kesh's Horn Bow (unique +4)?
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I personally think the reward of getting to lvl 33+ is that you can have a much stronger build than others who's build is made only up to lvl 30.
Agreed. Normal looms are good enough. People with way too much time on their hands shouldn't be rewarded.
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implement the 4th heirloom level at 34 and make it impossible to possess any other loomed items if having a +4.
so you gotta decide between a +3 set or ONE +4 item.
this would make them legendary...
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Would you also retire for Kesh's Horn Bow (unique +4)?
Ys and it would shoot fiery red-headed arrows of doom.
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the 4th lvl loom is unique , and there should be restriction on their trade on market... so that piece is attached to cd key
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Can only have 1 level 4 heirloom.
Can have up to level 3 looms.
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I think it should be lvl 33 since many people dont have the time to get to lvl 34, hell even 33 takes fucking ages. It should give another +2 damage and 1 speed imo, more than that and it will be pretty crazy.
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Level 33 is too easy to reach for uniques, and simply adding another level of regular heirlooms is dull. No, we need the possibility to create unique items at level 34, meaning that no one else will be able to loom this particular item to level 4. Maybe also give the opportunity to name the item.
That's what i meant with Kesh's Horn Bow.
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i think this idea expresses sound judgement:
implement the 4th heirloom level at 34 and make it impossible to possess any other loomed items if having a +4.
so you gotta decide between a +3 set or ONE +4 item.
give them exceptionally good stats and make them legendary...
and the author looks swell aslwell : )
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Level 33 is too easy to reach for uniques, and simply adding another level of regular heirlooms is dull. No, we need the possibility to create unique items at level 34, meaning that no one else will be able to loom this particular item to level 4. Maybe also give the opportunity to name the item.
That's what i meant with Kesh's Horn Bow.
Stabby.
36P stab
32C cut.
100 speed.
103 reach.
Long espada elanova model.
Need 21 STR
+1 powerstike (Seen it in MnB mob, easy to do)
Unpickable by anyone else.
Need a MW long espada to be created.
1 slot.
3 weight
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Im in, but only if the 4th loom would be personal and bound to account, this way it wouldn't be op if u get only 1 lvl 4 loom and won't affect market!
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I like the idea of a 4th heirloom level that is harder to achieve but im not sure there should only be 1 per item. I'd hate to get to lvl 33/34 only to find I came in second place for the item.
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That's kind of the idea. Another level of heirlooms for everyone would be dull.
You can be first for another item. Or they could make it that only characters started at level 1 after it's introduced can do it. That way everyone would get a fair chance to loom one of the gayswords everyone seems to like so much.
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Level 33 is too easy to reach for uniques, and simply adding another level of regular heirlooms is dull. No, we need the possibility to create unique items at level 34, meaning that no one else will be able to loom this particular item to level 4. Maybe also give the opportunity to name the item.
That's what i meant with Kesh's Horn Bow.
yup level 33 would spawn a lot of these items 34 might be better, and naming items would give cool experience for guys looting them ;p "oh shit i got kesh's horn bow"
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still waiting.. even if i need to sacrafice lvl 35
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If the 4th level loom point is too repugnant how about 2 standard loom points instead?
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Godcraft
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LET IT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and they already said no to the reserving item thing anyways
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LET IT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and they already said no to the reserving item thing anyways
Why not?, things like god craft would be nice
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hi :)