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Title: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 08:11:43 pm
Heya I'm kinda new and I got to lvl 30 so I'm just wondering what sword to heirloom when I get to lvl 31. I used the espada eslavona for a while, and it was great for stabs but eh on slash. the langes messer is the exact opposite so I figured because I land more slashes than stabs it made more sense to use that. The side sword is a good compromise between the two. I'm at a loss as to which one to pick really! I dont like the scim because it lacks a stab and I think it's over-used anyways. Any thoughts?

I'm a shielder with throwing as well, good all rounder I think, and I will be next gen too.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Iymore on November 01, 2011, 08:12:48 pm
Niuweidao
weapon length: 88
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 10
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 88
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: SixThumbs on November 01, 2011, 08:16:57 pm
You basically answered the question yourself buddy.

I agree with Iymore except you said you wanted a stab and that weapon often involves extreme face-hugging. Try a few of the weapons you mentioned and see which one you like the best, it generally comes down to your own personal preference.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 08:18:24 pm
two good choices are

Knightly Arming Swordweapon length: 102
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 97
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 31 cut
slots: 1

It gives less cut then the Nordic but nice stab

Nordic Champion's Swordweapon length: 102
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 97
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut
slots: 1

More cut but less stab. These are two very good 1h swords


If you want cheaper upkeep try the nordic war sword or long arming sword (i have this its nice)
They are the above weapons with -1 or so stats
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: SixThumbs on November 01, 2011, 08:31:25 pm
I think the 3 pierce would be more valuable then the 1 extra cut.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 08:33:32 pm
that depends on how often and how good you are with 1h stabs :D if you use it rarely and it bounces often then take more cut :P i like stab so i use the long arming sword
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 08:38:01 pm
Hmm I think those are a little too slow tbh, the knightl arming sword etc. I'll just try out the side sword for now, If I like it by lvl 31 I'll loom it, because I've seen it round a few times maybe I can trade it later for a diff loomed sword? I've not traded yet so I'm not sure if it quite works that way :/ Otherwise I think I'll stay with the langes messer and loom it because I think it's pretty good so far. It doesn't compromise too much. Scrap that I think I'll go italian sword a try! lol
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Reyiz on November 01, 2011, 09:03:20 pm
i suggest you to loom a hand armor :wink: mail gauntlets are the best statwise. You wont regret it trust me :D
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Vodner on November 01, 2011, 09:05:18 pm
You would be better off looming some mail mittens / gauntlets.

If you really want to loom a 1h sword, you can't go wrong with the Italian. Decent cut, decent poke, decent length, 99 speed.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 09:07:00 pm
Yeah but since I'm throwing I can't wear gloves that are heavy or my aim will go, gloves have the highest effect pn throw wpf. besides I'm saving money having leather gloves on :) I wear lamellar armour but I think I'm better off looming a weapon. Whats the trade in loomed weapons like anyway? is it fairly easy to get a trade?
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: El_Infante on November 01, 2011, 09:08:56 pm
The best choices:
- Italian sword
- Knightly arming sword

If you don't like thrust (I suggest you to learn how to)
- Spamitard / Elite spamitard / Niuewiwaiweioadao / Liuyeidao (-1c +1s)

- If you like stabbing:
- Eslavona / Long eslavona

Edit: If you are a thrower with low agi, go for knightly without doubt.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Reyiz on November 01, 2011, 09:09:51 pm
OR you can sell your loom point for 400-450k; when you sell 2 loom points you will get roughly 900k and grind some cash with cheap gear than buy a decent mw 1h sword for 900-1000k :wink: (meanwhile you can decide on the sword)
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 09:11:13 pm
Quote from: El_Infante on November 01, 2011, 09:08:56 pm
The best choices:
- Italian sword
- Knightly arming sword

If you don't like thrust (I suggest you to learn how to)
- Spamitard / Elite spamitard / Niuewiwaiweioadao / Liuyeidao (-1c +1s)

- If you like stabbing:
- Eslavona / Long eslavona

Edit: If you are a thrower with low agi, go for knightly without doubt.

But the knightly is the slowest there. this time round I was 18 STR 18 AGI by lvl 31, might go 21STR 15 AGI next time. Not too low in AGI no, its a proper hybrid.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 09:12:35 pm
Quote from: Reyiz on November 01, 2011, 09:09:51 pm
OR you can sell your loom point for 400-450k; when you sell 2 loom points you will get roughly 900k and grind some cash with cheap gear than buy a decent mw 1h sword for 900-1000k :wink: (meanwhile you can decide on the sword)

I don't thnik I have THAT much time to spend grinding lol. Besides I didnt think you got to keep money when you retire?
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Laufknoten on November 01, 2011, 09:14:34 pm
Yes, the italian sword is a good choice, it has overall good stats and it looks nice + it's affordable (upkeep).
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Reyiz on November 01, 2011, 09:15:34 pm
you will spend more time to get a mw sword(3loom points) but if you sell the points and dont spend too much money, you would get a mw sword earlier ( as i said, 2 loom points )
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 09:18:53 pm
gloves have the highest effect on throwing? wear did you hear that? gloves add to body armour they dont effect anything else but body armour and weight. Head armour however lowers wpf
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: gazda on November 01, 2011, 09:39:39 pm
whatever you loom out of these high class 1h'ers you wont make mistake. Id say that knightly arming sword is generally the best 1h'er
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Gurnisson on November 01, 2011, 09:41:15 pm
I love the grosse messer.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 09:41:24 pm
Quote from: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 09:18:53 pm
gloves have the highest effect on throwing? wear did you hear that? gloves add to body armour they dont effect anything else but body armour and weight. Head armour however lowers wpf

Oh nvm then, I'll buy chain mail gauntlets. TBF they do look really good, thats alot of armour when you loom it :S But still I wonder if it would be better than looming my italian sword (seems quite good) or maybe even jarids.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 09:43:26 pm
Do you keep money when you retire then? inheritence lol? Whatever I loom I could probably trade for a diff armour/sword of the same lvl right?
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Gurnisson on November 01, 2011, 10:21:26 pm
Jarids may be good to heirloom, yes.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Konrax on November 01, 2011, 11:07:47 pm
Italian Sword and Langes Messer are the best all around swords.

Langes stab is pretty decent actually when fully heirloomed and when it chops everyone feels it.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: El_Infante on November 01, 2011, 11:17:08 pm
Langes messer is a good choice but the longer the better. If you have high agi you can play with short-reach weps. If you go high str, you need highreach weps. It's easy.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Penitent on November 01, 2011, 11:27:41 pm
I will agree with Langes and Italian sword.  It seems to be what you are looking for.
Also, consider the Nordic War Sword.  All very fast.

The Knightly Arming and Nordic Champ sound too slow for your taste.  They are good swords, but they are slower among the swords.  Only the Arabian Cav sword is slower.

All the the swords mentioned will have good trade value should you want to change it later.
If you don't mind shorter weapons, check out the Italian Falchion or Grosse Messer.  I personally like the short ones, but it's up to you.

Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Jarlek on November 02, 2011, 02:28:54 am
Quote from: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 09:18:53 pm
gloves have the highest effect on throwing? wear did you hear that? gloves add to body armour they dont effect anything else but body armour and weight. Head armour however lowers wpf
No. No no no nononononoononoatWATAWTJAØLWTAW RAWR!

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ALL armour affects your wpf. Helmets and Gloves especially. The higher the armour, the bigger the wpf penalty. Head armour time x3 and gloves x2. Since the gloves have low weight and "only" times x2 calculated weight, they are on of the best armour-to-weight wise, but they STILL affect wpf. Not "only" helmets like you said. Stop spreading false information.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Digglez on November 02, 2011, 02:56:37 am
Glove weight is most important weight to throwers as its x8 and head is x6

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17818.msg260423.html#msg260423

If you know you are going to keep throwing as 2ndary weapon, do not heirloom gloves first, do body armor

Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Grok on November 02, 2011, 02:56:44 am
I used the Italian Sword for a long time -- really liked it, but I eventually settled on a Grosse Messer.  It's shorter, but I noticed that the Grosse typically required one less swing to kill most enemies which meant all the difference to me (of course this was before the damage tweak so who knows now).  The stab on the Italian Sword is really nice but stabs with 1H weapons are notoriously finicky, have a tiny window of effectiveness (meaning they glance in many instances when they should not) and those glances cause a delay/stagger.

On the other hand, cut damage was more negatively impacted in the last patch, while blunt and pierce were boosted -- so the Grosse is bit less effective than it used to be.

The Langes Messer is nice too - bit more reach than the Grosse, but less than the Italian.  However, it's slower than both.

While I liked the reach of the NCS and the KAS the slower speed was VERY noticeable.

Another great option is the Broad One Handed Battle Axe -- it's a bit shorter and a bit slower but has the highest damage of any 1H and absolutely shreds shields.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Bashere on November 02, 2011, 03:03:40 am
Screw swords get a pick. I don't like to hit things more than once or twice. Even with 3 athletics and heavy armor pick is doable.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 02, 2011, 06:39:24 am
Most ignored sword of all, the Italian Sword.

Its great fun, and it looks so pretty.

Totally depends on your shielder style but I really like the Italian Falcion for face hugging. Huge power for such a tiny little thing.

The langes facemesser is a great sword. When you shield goes down you can pop to 2h and get a speed and dmg boost.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Bobthehero on November 02, 2011, 07:04:46 am
Long espada eslanova of doom.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: theero on November 02, 2011, 08:50:25 am
I think you should try out Italian Falchion:

price: 4,490
weapon length: 70
weight: 1
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1

It is fast and it does really good damage. Only downside is the really short lenght, but ýou just need to go and facehug ppl. :D
I mean seriously. I'm quite sure there's no other 1-handed (not heirloomed) weapon that packs such a good punch with a speed like that.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Xant on November 02, 2011, 09:12:03 am
Might as well use a pick though, italian falchion's so short.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 02, 2011, 09:41:53 am
ugh spamming :F.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Vibe on November 02, 2011, 09:44:25 am
Spamming is an art (seriously, if you know how and when to spam, it's quite effective, even against good players).
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: polkafranzi on November 02, 2011, 09:52:41 am
Quote from: TheGoldElite on November 01, 2011, 08:11:43 pm
I dont like the scim because it lacks a stab and I think it's over-used anyways.

You think right my friend, you think right.

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Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: El_Infante on November 02, 2011, 10:11:23 am
Quote from: theero on November 02, 2011, 08:50:25 am
I think you should try out Italian Falchion:

price: 4,490
weapon length: 70
weight: 1
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1

It is fast and it does really good damage. Only downside is the really short lenght, but ýou just need to go and facehug ppl. :D
I mean seriously. I'm quite sure there's no other 1-handed (not heirloomed) weapon that packs such a good punch with a speed like that.

There is no reason to use the falchion instead of steel pick.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: theero on November 02, 2011, 11:22:05 am
Style! Italian Falchion is IMO the best looking 1-h -weapon in this mod. :D. Besides, Italian Falchion has lower price, plus a little advantage on speed and reach. Those reasons are good enough for me. :D
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: El_Infante on November 02, 2011, 11:23:29 am
Quote from: theero on November 02, 2011, 11:22:05 am
Style! Italian Falchion is IMO the best looking 1-h -weapon in this mod. :D. Besides, Italian Falchion has lower price, plus a little advantage on speed and reach. Those reasons are good enough for me. :D

32p vs 34c? No way. If you want to take it for style, OK. Pierce damage hurt.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: theero on November 02, 2011, 11:28:45 am
Infante, you forget that the OP is looking for FAST 1-handers, so in that light Italian falchion shines over the Steel Pick. Naturally I agree that Steel Pick is propably a better weapon, but it just isn't too fast (and it costs twice as much as the IF  :wink: ).
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Xant on November 02, 2011, 01:05:29 pm
I doubt the OP would be able to tell the difference between a 99 speed rating weapon in action and a 101 speed rating weapon in action. Both are very fast.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Spawny on November 02, 2011, 01:24:03 pm
I have em all, tried em all and I'm still using the knightly arming sword.

It's 97 speed, but you're not going to outspam anyone anyway. If you can outspam someone with a 101 speed 1h, you can do it with a 97 speed 1h too.

The thrust on the KAS hurts. Badly. Especially when placed in the face area. The long espada does the stabbing job even better, but I would classify that more as a specialist sword. The low cut damage on swings means you have to stab more often, which is harder to do than just swinging your weapon.

The KAS is also very useable from horseback (if you ever want to play mounted that is) and can be used perfectly fine without a shield (swashbucklin style).

I wouldn't use any other sword than the knightly arming sword (or the long espada eslavona when I feel like it).
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Vodner on November 02, 2011, 01:29:21 pm
The KAS is definitely a solid weapon. I still feel the +2 speed and +1 stab on the Italian outweighs the +1 cut and the +4 reach on the KAS though. The 2k price difference is also nice.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Ronin on November 02, 2011, 03:37:53 pm
If you want speed use a dagger or hammer. They can be deeeaadly :shock:
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Jarlek on November 02, 2011, 04:18:51 pm
Quote from: Spawny on November 02, 2011, 01:24:03 pm
I have em all, tried em all and I'm still using the knightly arming sword.

It's 97 speed, but you're not going to outspam anyone anyway. If you can outspam someone with a 101 speed 1h, you can do it with a 97 speed 1h too.

The thrust on the KAS hurts. Badly. Especially when placed in the face area. The long espada does the stabbing job even better, but I would classify that more as a specialist sword. The low cut damage on swings means you have to stab more often, which is harder to do than just swinging your weapon.

The KAS is also very useable from horseback (if you ever want to play mounted that is) and can be used perfectly fine without a shield (swashbucklin style).

I wouldn't use any other sword than the knightly arming sword (or the long espada eslavona when I feel like it).
Totally agree and disagree at the same time.

The Knightly Armin Sword is really good and I use it all the time. But there is ONE other sword that you could use instead and which is almost the same. Surprisingly much the same. It's the LONG Arming Sword. Exactly the same, except cheaper and with 1 less cut. Good for the man who needs to maximise his money making abilities for different reasons. Like me when I used a horse.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Digglez on November 02, 2011, 04:24:48 pm
Niuweidao is a GREAT indoor or small map weapon, but not so hot in large open areas like official battle maps & strat

I found it the best all around weapon for a shielder, and it wasnt all gay exploity like either of the scimi's.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Diomedes on November 02, 2011, 06:05:12 pm
Quote from: Vodner on November 02, 2011, 01:29:21 pm
The KAS is definitely a solid weapon. I still feel the +2 speed on the Italian outweighs the +1 cut/stab and the +4 reach on the KAS though. The 2k price difference is also nice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Italian have more pierce than the KAS? 

Anywho, I vote Italian as well.  It's pretty, fast, strong, long, and altogether quite versatile.  Though the Long Espada is generally more deadly, I find, the Italian is more reliable.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Vodner on November 02, 2011, 08:18:14 pm
Quote from: Diomedes on November 02, 2011, 06:05:12 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Italian have more pierce than the KAS?
Oops, you're completely right. Edited.
Title: Re: Fast 1h swords.
Post by: Bobthehero on November 02, 2011, 08:24:37 pm
Want a fast weapon? Scottish sword, 103 speed, 80 reach, 27 on stab and slash.