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Title: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on November 01, 2011, 05:04:49 am
usin spammitar should be bannabel
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Post by: Cepeshi on November 01, 2011, 05:08:24 am
steel p(r)ick, that shit is hard to block like nothing  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Gristle on November 01, 2011, 05:13:09 am
Too long of a list. Easier just to say polestun.
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Post by: Zisa on November 01, 2011, 05:13:52 am
forums
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Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 05:24:51 am
usin spammitar should be bannabel

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Post by: MrShovelFace on November 01, 2011, 06:37:52 am
all swinging weapons that i dont use
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Post by: Erathsmus on November 01, 2011, 07:33:54 am
Anything that rhymes with Buffalo.
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Post by: Prpavi on November 01, 2011, 09:16:02 am
Spammitar and Bec
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Post by: Dalhi on November 01, 2011, 11:33:48 am
 :lol:

There is only one weapon that I can't stand figthing against --> awlpike.
It's fuckin fast, does ridiculous damage, and stabs from point-blanlk are fuckin annoying.
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Post by: Sir Ryden on November 01, 2011, 01:30:09 pm
:lol:

There is only one weapon that I can't stand figthing against --> awlpike.
It's fuckin fast, does ridiculous damage, and stabs from point-blanlk are fuckin annoying.
^
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on November 01, 2011, 02:26:16 pm
any horse with more HP and armor than the destrier

fucking bundle of sticks heavy cavalry
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Frankysan on November 01, 2011, 02:58:55 pm
ban awlpike shielder this is fucking retarded, they are the vultures of crpg. Pro kill stealers and not worth a cent 1on1. FUUUU!
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Post by: Falka on November 01, 2011, 03:04:44 pm
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Do you even know who's that guy?  :lol:
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Post by: Lars on November 01, 2011, 03:11:23 pm
long spears&company: i hate getting chain stunned.
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Post by: Siiem on November 01, 2011, 03:15:21 pm
Katana... for the sheer amount of weabooness *shrugs*
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Post by: polkafranzi on November 01, 2011, 03:28:50 pm
ban awlpike shielder this is fucking retarded, they are the vultures of crpg. Pro kill stealers and not worth a cent 1on1. FUUUU!

you just killed the whole DenBitre clan
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dexxtaa on November 01, 2011, 03:33:49 pm
long spears&company: i hate getting chain stunned.

lol There's nothing wrong with a pike wall.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: _GTX_ on November 01, 2011, 03:47:07 pm
Polestun, only thing which is really op atm.

But Archer spam is pretty op too, mainly because infantry cant catch em.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dexxtaa on November 01, 2011, 03:50:38 pm
Peasants.

Peasants are OP.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: The_Angle on November 01, 2011, 03:51:00 pm
Polestun really isn't that big of a problem.
Otherwise.




Great maul, everything else is coooooooooolness.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Lizard_man on November 01, 2011, 04:04:54 pm
^^Great Maul...
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Post by: Keshian on November 01, 2011, 04:07:34 pm
Horses

NERF CAV!!!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: _GTX_ on November 01, 2011, 04:39:42 pm
Polestun really isn't that big of a problem.
Otherwise.




Great maul, everything else is coooooooooolness.
:shock:
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Christo on November 01, 2011, 04:46:00 pm
'Elite' 2handers and their elitist lobbyism/e-peen that comes with it..

Also, certain onehanders like scimitar, pick, etc.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: gbu_lue on November 01, 2011, 04:49:06 pm
El Nino's
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Penitent on November 01, 2011, 05:37:33 pm
anything that can stab you when its point is already past you.

Like when a spear or pike is chambered, held back...and you are point blank against the spear-user...and even while his weapon is held back the tip of his spear is past your body because its so long..and when he releases his attack, it somehow hits you.

Or lol-stabbing or jump-stabbing when you are point-blank against the spear-user...and you can still get hit.

I HATES THE MOST!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Konrax on November 01, 2011, 05:40:34 pm
anything that can stab you when its point is already past you.

Like when a spear or pike is chambered, held back...and you are point blank against the spear-user...and even while his weapon is held back the tip of his spear is past your body because its so long..and when he releases his attack, it somehow hits you.

Or lol-stabbing or jump-stabbing when you are point-blank against the spear-user...and you can still get hit.

I HATES THE MOST!

+1
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on November 01, 2011, 05:43:10 pm
Mace (the dildo) Full black, hard to see and fast with knockdown and epic dmg...

Glaive
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Xant on November 01, 2011, 05:46:04 pm
Do you even know who's that guy?  :lol:

Yes. I killed him in the battle server with my scimitar (without a shield while he was using a shield - must be hard to right click to block, rite?) 30 minutes before he made this thread. He whined in-game too. It's just a pretty lame defense mechanism. "It's not my fault that I died, it's the OP weapon!"
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Lennu on November 01, 2011, 05:47:54 pm
All autobloc-- erhm, Shielders  :lol:
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Diomedes on November 01, 2011, 05:52:28 pm
Polestun really isn't that big of a problem.
Otherwise.




Great maul, everything else is coooooooooolness.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Osiris on November 01, 2011, 07:19:17 pm
nothing OP about the scimitar. sure the curved edge can throw you and its quick but it also has no stab so its not OP. You get more speed and damage on some 1h but no stab.

I use a long arming sword and i must say the stab is very usefull.

Weapon i dislike the most is that tiny spiked mace :P
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Post by: Gurnisson on November 01, 2011, 07:30:26 pm
Bodkin arrows
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Post by: RandomDude on November 01, 2011, 09:51:09 pm
Pike in battle and Great maul in siege (bows didnt make it sry!)
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Laufknoten on November 01, 2011, 10:10:26 pm
nothing OP about the scimitar. sure the curved edge can throw you and its quick but it also has no stab so its not OP. You get more speed and damage on some 1h but no stab.
Well, the elite scimitar has speed, damage and length and even as someone who prefers swords with high thrust damage I have to say that I don't feel like I have to sacrifice something for those stats.
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Post by: Rixx on November 01, 2011, 10:15:23 pm
elite 2h-nders ....
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Post by: Skysong on November 01, 2011, 10:20:06 pm
I hate stairs when spamed to block paths :evil:
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Erathsmus on November 01, 2011, 10:52:52 pm
Xbows, and their bolts.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: LordRichrich on November 02, 2011, 07:43:37 pm
any fast weapon. 15 str, rest agi, highest armour you can get and you can still spam the f*** outta most ppl with a bastard sword!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dezilagel on November 02, 2011, 08:04:04 pm
Bodkin arrows

Pretty much
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: sF_Guardian on November 02, 2011, 08:10:24 pm
Nothing is more annoyin and fucked up than polestun.
There is no reason for this shit and it still exists and makes this pole-agi my old friends OP.
Even a softspot stuns u like hell.

And oneshot x-bows should be also removed
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: wayyyyyne on November 02, 2011, 08:27:21 pm
Long spears

ALL MY HATE

Makes ganging people up too easy.
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Post by: Camaris on November 02, 2011, 08:34:33 pm
spammitars and long spears
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Relit on November 02, 2011, 08:38:06 pm
Two handed swords, only because of the lolstab, and separately, any weapon that can hiltslash.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dezilagel on November 02, 2011, 08:41:51 pm
Two handed swords, only because of the lolstab, and separately, any weapon that can hiltslash.

You must hate all sideswing-able melee weapons then.

Seriously? What's with the hate for hiltslashing?

Especially on the NA servers there seems to be a lot of QQ about that now.

It's easily countered, easy to see coming and with proper footwork/timing nothing more than an opportunity for you to get a free hit in.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Lichen on November 02, 2011, 08:43:43 pm
any fast weapon. 15 str, rest agi, highest armour you can get and you can still spam the f*** outta most ppl with a bastard sword!
Also called building smart. {sarcasm on} Let's ban intelligent builds (and also kill diversity making things as boring and predictable as possible). Let's conveniently forget about the things that build sacrifices.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on November 02, 2011, 08:57:24 pm
Xant:
Yes. I killed him in the battle server with my scimitar (without a shield while he was using a shield - must be hard to right click to block, rite?) 30 minutes before he made this thread. He whined in-game too. It's just a pretty lame defense mechanism. "It's not my fault that I died, it's the OP weapon!"

yes xant i hate spammitar just because u killed me there when i was half asleep
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Relit on November 02, 2011, 09:10:11 pm
You must hate all sideswing-able melee weapons then.

Seriously? What's with the hate for hiltslashing?

Especially on the NA servers there seems to be a lot of QQ about that now.

It's easily countered, easy to see coming and with proper footwork/timing nothing more than an opportunity for you to get a free hit in.

Because getting hit, (for example), by the wooden shaft of a two-handed axe and hearing the slashing sound makes a lot of sense. Also getting slashed by the dull section of some two-handed swords is cool too.

I am not saying it is not easily countered or hard for me to see. It just looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dezilagel on November 02, 2011, 09:50:28 pm
Because getting hit, (for example), by the wooden shaft of a two-handed axe and hearing the slashing sound makes a lot of sense. Also getting slashed by the dull section of some two-handed swords is cool too.

I am not saying it is not easily countered or hard for me to see. It just looks ridiculous.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html


Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Penitent on November 02, 2011, 09:55:48 pm
The hilt-slash is lame not just for realism reasons. 

First of all, there is a difference between a "realism vs balance discussion" and a game that plays like a circus.  Getting slashed by a wooden haft is ridiculous no matter how to look at it...regardless of realism or balance. 
It's like having horses bump you before they actually touch you.  "Boo-hoo..whine about it in realism!"  No, that shit would just be ridiculous.  Same with hilt-slashing.  You are getting hit when you shouldn't.  It's a circus.  It's absurd.

Second of all, in terms of balance, a long weapon should not be able to hit someone who is point-blank on top of you.  I don't care of its a lol-jump-spin-stab or a hilt-slash.  One of the disadvantages of longer weapons is that they bounce/glance if the enemy is too close.  That is also one of the advantages of short weapons. Hilt-slashing disturbs this balance.

So yes..this is annoying as hell and should be looked at.

Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Rage_Guy on November 02, 2011, 10:01:53 pm
I hate kinngrimm's weapons,steel pick and awlpike - the OP combination
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Post by: CavalierX on November 02, 2011, 10:54:49 pm
LONG Pole-Arms (Pikes Spear Etc.) that Stab/Pierce you at pointblank face-hugging range are hated.  That crap is crazy stupid.  Advantage of Range dictates a disadvantage at pointblank range- it makes no sense.  IF they 2 hand the weapon and there is room to swing it for blunt damage without hitting walls and trees and whatnot fine, but full damage piercing attacks inside the length of the weapon is just dumb. 
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Teeth on November 02, 2011, 11:10:44 pm
Oh let's see, thats quite the list, I don't give a shit that the title says most, here is the huge ass whiny list of weapons I hate.

Scimitars, they have phantom reach, hit for full damage at the first 20 degree of their swing, making the leftswing at close range nearly unblockable. Also annoyingly fast.

Glaive, long hafted blade, this goes for all polearms, but I seem to find these two the worst. Ridiculously fast swings, probably slower chamber time, but they swing a lot faster than a 2h of comparable speed. Also after you block these, they bounce back in a way that greatly resembles the chambering of a new attack. The difference is subtle, causing me to fail to spot a lot of double attacks.

2 directional polearms, mostly awlpike. When stabspammed these weapons are insanely fast, much faster than you would think if you look at their speed rating. Also these stabs never glance.

2h stabs, they are active for way too long, causing them to do damage when already retracting. Same goes for overheads, but thats less used.

Lances

Arrows

Bolts

Small blunt damage weapons. It's so ridiculous to get knocked down like 1/3 times by a weapon with the size of a banana.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Matey on November 02, 2011, 11:15:08 pm
elite scimi.
pikes/longspears when they lolstab you point blank.
all 2handers that do the spinning stab/overhead that hits you even though they clearly missed by a mile so you decide to let go of block to hit them and then you magically die.

but if i had to pick one... i pick the elite scimi.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Xant on November 02, 2011, 11:16:01 pm
elite scimi.
pikes/longspears when they lolstab you point blank.
all 2handers that do the spinning stab/overhead that hits you even though they clearly missed by a mile so you decide to let go of block to hit them and then you magically die.

but if i had to pick one... i pick the elite scimi.

and you still won't accept the trade you dick
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Matey on November 02, 2011, 11:18:09 pm
i refuse to turn to the dark side. i will continue to use my short reach oversized knife.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Toffey on November 03, 2011, 12:08:49 am
Axes. The terrible people who use them force me to actually manual block!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dezilagel on November 03, 2011, 12:10:27 am
The hilt-slash is lame not just for realism reasons. 

First of all, there is a difference between a "realism vs balance discussion" and a game that plays like a circus.  Getting slashed by a wooden haft is ridiculous no matter how to look at it...regardless of realism or balance. 
It's like having horses bump you before they actually touch you.  "Boo-hoo..whine about it in realism!"  No, that shit would just be ridiculous.  Same with hilt-slashing.  You are getting hit when you shouldn't.  It's a circus.  It's absurd.

Second of all, in terms of balance, a long weapon should not be able to hit someone who is point-blank on top of you.  I don't care of its a lol-jump-spin-stab or a hilt-slash.  One of the disadvantages of longer weapons is that they bounce/glance if the enemy is too close.  That is also one of the advantages of short weapons. Hilt-slashing disturbs this balance.

So yes..this is annoying as hell and should be looked at.


If long weapons were useless at close range... Well, give me one reason not to be a facehugging shielder. Block (correction: autoblock) one or two times and then my opponent is automatically fucked... FUN! Not.
"In terms of balance", cmon.

Regarding the "problem" of hitting close-range with wooden shafts... Use your brain.

If you want to hit someone with a shafted weapon short range you'll probably just change your grip, but the game is limited by the animations. Just as "blocking" Warband style is beyond retarded, but it's the best we have.

I at least don't want the game to be more bogged down into stale melee mechanics. Hiltslashing is something that breaks the pattern but that CAN be prevented by using proper counter-techniques. I see no reason not to keep it.

Same thing with point-blank stabs. The weapons who are long enough for it to seem unreasonable to hit with them are usually crap in 1v1 anyways. Also, with the new hitboxes, doing spin-stabs in groups is generally pretty stupid since the risk of hitting your teammates has dramatically increased.

Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Camaris on November 03, 2011, 01:37:32 am
Scimitars, they have phantom reach, hit for full damage at the first 20 degree of their swing, making the leftswing at close range nearly unblockable. Also annoyingly fast.

Perfect explanation. ;)
It´s just a fucking lame weapon and should be not so fucking fast cause it has to many other advantages.
I fucking hate them. Hardest weapon to block.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: robert_namo on November 03, 2011, 03:33:21 am
The slowdachi, it's so slow that you can't time your block right. Oh and its ghost reach, don't get me started!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Matey on November 03, 2011, 04:14:26 am
you forgot about how annoying OP it is in the hands of an s key spam hero!  8-)
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: robert_namo on November 03, 2011, 04:25:30 am
you forgot about how annoying OP it is in the hands of an s key spam hero!  8-)

nah anyone that s keys sucks at this game and is more annoying than people that use glitchy weapon animation to win, even though they have no choice, it's annoying.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Dach on November 03, 2011, 06:33:51 am
hmm I would say Dasty  :mad:

oh wait! I mean the pike... :wink:

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Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Angantyr on November 03, 2011, 07:31:48 am
The lolhammer/Great Maul.

It's the only fantasy, World of Warcraft weapon in WB ( besides to some degree the 2h cleaver, which also hasn't any historical equivalent, at least the weapon it is based on looks nothing like it ), has blockcrush which only requires the wielder to spam overheads spiced up with the occasional block, no meta game, near no skill required ( especially if wearing heavy armor + STR build ).
Yes, it is somewhat slow but block is still near instantaneous and all you really need to do is make the same attack over and over and over and people can't even block you, and if you're a half-decent facehugger they'll have a lot of trouble sidestepping before that big hitbox connects ( even sometimes when it first looks as if it hasn't ).

Blockcrush is a somewhat alien mechanism that was suddenly thrown into the block/attack game during beta ( where it earned its 'lol' prefix ) and though on weapons with a smaller chance of crushing through it isn't that big of a deal the lolhammer always were unbalanced in this regard. I'm seriously puzzled why the cRPG dev team have not corrected this now that they've properly balanced so much else in the game, like ranged, lolstabs, 1h feinting speed etc. I guess it requires that we see it abused a lot which for some reason fortunately isn't the case yet in cRPG ( compared to Native MP where they are used to ridiculous effect every time Rhodoks is in the field ).
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Gorath on November 03, 2011, 07:58:17 am
( besides to some degree the 2h cleaver, which also hasn't any historical equivalent, at least the weapon it is based on looks nothing like it

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Post by: bredeus on November 03, 2011, 08:00:41 am
war spear for sure.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Xant on November 03, 2011, 08:05:34 am
1h feinting speed

Que? What's been done to that?
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Darkkarma on November 03, 2011, 08:23:30 am
The Glaive. Seriously, fuck this weapon. The swing speed, radius and length on this weapon are seriously just as bad as any 2hander i've ever played against. The polestun is just an added bonus.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Angantyr on November 03, 2011, 08:41:37 am
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Yes, I'm fully aware of the Maciejowski Bible illustrations of the weapon but pray tell me on which of those pictures you see the 2h monstrosity that is in the game ?  :wink: The in-game model has a much too long blade and the handle is much too short, the 1h variants are pretty spot on, however.


@Xant,
The feinting speed of 1handers have been decreased substantially, and/or otherwise changed to be less fluid. This might be related to a greater armor weight contra speed penalty, I don't know, it's been some time since I played a shielder in this module.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Vibe on November 03, 2011, 08:44:42 am
Long spear
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: polkafranzi on November 03, 2011, 01:48:01 pm
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Sounds like someone gets crushed a lot. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Angantyr on November 03, 2011, 02:11:19 pm
Nope, wrong guy to use that old pseudo-argument on. I actually like challenges and have no special problems getting killed a lot by the lolhammer ( been killed by it perhaps 4 times at tops the last month ), what kills me usually is long polearms in groups and ranged, and I'm not the kind of person to criticize things based only on finding them difficult to overcome.

What I'm really pointing out, and which you'd noticed had you paid attention to my arguments, is that the lolhammer has some pretty stupid mechanics, ramming completely the otherwise awesome WB multiple direction block and attack mini game and, again unlike all other weapons in the game, being utterly the fabrication of some TW dev's fantasy. The xbow is idiot proof too, but at least this weapon has a historical counterpart ( where it was also easy to use ) and isn't a melee weapon.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Bobthehero on November 03, 2011, 02:39:20 pm
Fucking long espada and its OP stab damage, buff its cut to balance it!
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Fartface on November 03, 2011, 02:46:00 pm
i dont hate any wep out there.
if i start hating them they annoy me ,that gets me angry and that leads to fail.
i just think of this way : now i got killed by an archer,but if i would get killed by 2h whats the differance im dead anyway.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Leshma on November 03, 2011, 02:59:54 pm
Weapons are fine, animations are bad.

- retarded 2H stab
- super fast polestab (especially bad when it comes to spears/pikes/lances)
- retarded 2H overhead (makes mauls incredibly annoying and almost unavoidable)
- 2H swings (spam is your friend, just spam swings like a tard and block some of the held attacks and you're gonna look like a pro...)
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Gorath on November 03, 2011, 04:07:55 pm
Yes, I'm fully aware of the Maciejowski Bible illustrations of the weapon but pray tell me on which of those pictures you see the 2h monstrosity that is in the game ?  :wink: The in-game model has a much too long blade and the handle is much too short, the 1h variants are pretty spot on, however.
Well join me in my crusade to have the devs replace the 2h cleaver with a more accurate version which acts more like the langes messer.  1h/2h and uses x to swap between the two modes.   :wink:

Also, this:
Weapons are fine, animations are bad.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Bobthehero on November 03, 2011, 04:09:57 pm
@those who believe 2 hander cleaver don't exist/no proof: Boink, maciejowski bible visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Arkatos on November 03, 2011, 04:25:41 pm
Every weapon with knockdown.

^.^
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Ragni_Bross on November 03, 2011, 04:41:39 pm
The hilt-slash is lame not just for realism reasons. 

First of all, there is a difference between a "realism vs balance discussion" and a game that plays like a circus.  Getting slashed by a wooden haft is ridiculous no matter how to look at it...regardless of realism or balance. 
It's like having horses bump you before they actually touch you.  "Boo-hoo..whine about it in realism!"  No, that shit would just be ridiculous.  Same with hilt-slashing.  You are getting hit when you shouldn't.  It's a circus.  It's absurd.

Second of all, in terms of balance, a long weapon should not be able to hit someone who is point-blank on top of you.  I don't care of its a lol-jump-spin-stab or a hilt-slash.  One of the disadvantages of longer weapons is that they bounce/glance if the enemy is too close.  That is also one of the advantages of short weapons. Hilt-slashing disturbs this balance.

So yes..this is annoying as hell and should be looked at.

First of all: Amen.

Secondly: Am I the only one thinking that the Swiss halberbs and bills are waaaaaaaaay too fast? Those stabs just make no sense at all.

Thirdly: Did any of you ever play Vikingr? I really liked the combat in Vikingr because it made sense in every way. The majority of the players used swords/spears/axes and shields and then there'd be a few brave ones using slow but extremely potent 2handed weapons. Everything had its advantages and weaknesses.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Fartface on November 03, 2011, 05:00:10 pm
First of all: Amen.

Secondly: Am I the only one thinking that the Swiss halberbs and bills are waaaaaaaaay too fast? Those stabs just make no sense at all.

Thirdly: Did any of you ever play Vikingr? I really liked the combat in Vikingr because it made sense in every way. The majority of the players used swords/spears/axes and shields and then there'd be a few brave ones using slow but extremely potent 2handed weapons. Everything had its advantages and weaknesses.
I totaly AGREE on the 3rd one .
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Teeth on November 03, 2011, 05:02:47 pm
First of all: Amen.

Secondly: Am I the only one thinking that the Swiss halberbs and bills are waaaaaaaaay too fast? Those stabs just make no sense at all.

Thirdly: Did any of you ever play Vikingr? I really liked the combat in Vikingr because it made sense in every way. The majority of the players used swords/spears/axes and shields and then there'd be a few brave ones using slow but extremely potent 2handed weapons. Everything had its advantages and weaknesses.
Funny that you say amen to that. If there is anyone that comes to mind that hiltslashes and hiltslashes with a polearm it's you.

Also, combat should get an enormous overhaul. Give us the gritty, in your face, full contact combat that medieval combat actually was. Start with replacing the kick with a pommel strike for 2h and a shieldbash for shielders.
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Ragni_Bross on November 03, 2011, 05:06:16 pm
Funny that you say amen to that. If there is anyone that comes to mind that hiltslashes and hiltslashes with a polearm it's you.

Also, combat should get an enormous overhaul. Give us the gritty, in your face, full contact combat that medieval combat actually was. Start with replacing the kick with a pommel strike for 2h and a shieldbash for shielders.

I know that I do hiltslashes myself, but that doesn't mean I'd mind getting rid off them for good :) I think they ruin the gameplay, but hey they work, so that's why I use 'em :P
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Laufknoten on November 03, 2011, 06:15:21 pm
I totaly AGREE on the 3rd one .
The problem is that the majority of 2h's want an even faster game speed to make their light saber-fights more challenging... Btw, a light saber is a good comparison to the current sweetspot mechanic of the 2h-swords. :D
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Ragni_Bross on November 03, 2011, 06:17:52 pm
The problem is that the majority of 2h's want an even faster game speed to make their light saber-fights more challenging... Btw, a light saber is a good comparison to the current sweetspot mechanic of the 2h-swords. :D

The majority of the 2hs are idiots :P
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Xant on November 03, 2011, 08:54:10 pm
The majority of the 2hs are idiots :P

Bahahahahhaahha.... ahahahahhaa....... AHAHAHHA... cant breath
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: HuskerRall on November 03, 2011, 09:19:27 pm
all weapons are OK, everything can be counter

but all Jump-Swingers especially pikes and spears are bundle of stickss, there..you can still block them, but they just look silly and geh
Title: Re: What weapon in crpg u hate most?
Post by: Kalp on November 03, 2011, 09:24:57 pm
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pikes and spears are bundle of stickss