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Title: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 01:27:41 pm
I'm an archer atm. and I've been one for quite a while. But now I'm getting bored with archery so I've started to consider respecing into a 2hander now. I'm not sure if I want to become pure 2hander, or some kind of hybrid build, so now I'm asking you to share your opinions/experiences about this matter Do these build work, and how well do they work? Or should I go for something completely different?
     I want to have melee infantry as the builds' main focus anyways. So if I take riding I probably won't spawn with a horse, but whistle spam for one in the middle of the battle and then go for bumbslash some archers with a morningstar.

Right now I have 26M exp, so respecing will take me back to lvl 31, and about 4M exp away from lvl 32. So the builds will be designed for lvl 32.
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Builds I have in mind atm.

The very basic 2handed build. Nothing special in it tho, so it could turn out to be boring in the long run. This doesn't leave much room for shield skill tho.
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Could this work? Would be great to shoot a couple of headshots per round before charging into the melee clusterfuck, but is this 100'ish wpf in xbows accurate enough? because I don't want to sacrifice too much wpf from 2handers. High agility looks nice tho.
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Do you think this could work at all? I could turn the attributes around into 21/18 as well.
Also could take off 1 point from Riding and/or Ironflesh and put it into shieldskill.
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The abomination  :lol:
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Discuss, troll and use your unlimited wisdom to show me the right path.


Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Vibe on October 25, 2011, 01:45:08 pm
21/21 build - good build if you want pure 2h
18/24 build - low hp, but still good. You can give crossbow more WPF, 130-140 wpf in 2h is enough anyway.
18/21 build - 2h cav is useless
15/24 build - just bad
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Bjord on October 25, 2011, 02:07:18 pm
24/18 IMO.

Pack a heavy as shit punch, fuck people up.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Teeth on October 25, 2011, 03:00:05 pm
Go for the 21/21 one, lose two weaponmaster and put them in ironflesh, so you'll get 5 weaponmaster and 4 ironflesh. The difference between 149 wpf and 165 wpf is not really noticable. 4 hitpoints will regularly save your ass.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 03:11:08 pm
Lol, or how about 18/24 ?

My alt is 18/18 atm (lvl27) and getting kills with it quite nicely.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Vibe on October 25, 2011, 03:13:48 pm
18 STR has low hp unless you have a lot of IF (5+), be prepared to die in 2 hits often.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: ThePoopy on October 25, 2011, 03:20:05 pm
24/18 with longsword
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 03:22:10 pm
lol, teaches me to block at least  :rolleyes:

I guess that high str work well for duels, but moving fast can be quite of an advantage on the battle field.
Anyways, I'm going to have 60+ boby armor with my looms on, so it sohuld protect me quite nicely.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Vibe on October 25, 2011, 03:27:44 pm
Quote from: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 03:22:10 pm
I guess that high str work well for duels, but moving fast can be quite of an advantage on the battle field.

People say it's a big advantage but I can tell you it's not that great. The usual argument these people use is that you can kite/run away from groups and avoid being zerged. Well, I'm here to tell you that there's almost always another agi guy in one of those groups that try to zerg you that will stop or delay you enough for the rest of the group to chop you up.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 03:44:14 pm
Would it be better to get zerg'd by the group with hard hitting weapon, but with too little speed to actually move around enough to avoid their swings and getting stunlocked much more easily.

Or than to run away, possibly get a chance to kill that agi whore in 1v1 while the others are trying to catch you. And then possibly run away completely only to come back to flank them :D And if you get zerged by that group you have more speed to controll your position, allowing you to avoid swings more easily and maybe make them tk more. :D
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2011, 04:37:17 pm
This sums up quite good what I think of your respecing :D.
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Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 05:13:05 pm
Says a cav player!  :lol:
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Bjord on October 25, 2011, 05:13:16 pm
Odin, how is bec spamming poletard any better?  :lol:

Or ez mode cav, for that matter.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Jarlek on October 25, 2011, 05:22:50 pm
Quote from: Bjord on October 25, 2011, 05:13:16 pm
Odin, how is bec spamming poletard any better?  :lol:

Or ez mode cav, for that matter.
Yes. Yes they are.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Everkistus on October 25, 2011, 05:25:05 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2011, 04:37:17 pm
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Agreed.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2011, 05:30:00 pm
Quote from: Bjord on October 25, 2011, 05:13:16 pm
Odin, how is bec spamming poletard any better?  :lol:

Or ez mode cav, for that matter.

I haven't used bec de corbin for months, actually closer to half year now I think.. (I really got bored of that piece of crap), but yes I am cav now. Haha don't say anything you 2h lolstabber. Don't take my previous post too seriously, I'm just teasing my clanmate, mate :lol:
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 05:32:01 pm
Quote from: Zapper on October 25, 2011, 05:22:50 pm
Yes. Yes they are.

If you can't beat them, banpoll them a accuse them for hacking  :lol:  I'm kiddin

What is the least-noobiest class of them all then?  :wink:
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2011, 05:37:09 pm
Quote from: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 05:13:05 pm
Says a cav player!  :lol:
And for you I would say that you're welcome to try out being a good cav player. It is not as eazimod as it looks  :lol:
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 25, 2011, 05:39:50 pm
Quote from: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 05:32:01 pm
What is the least-noobiest class of them all then?  :wink:

Don't even... ask that question... It is the class that we do not name.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Everkistus on October 25, 2011, 05:42:34 pm
Least-noobiest?

Hmm... I'd say dedicated thrower. That's hard.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Dezilagel on October 25, 2011, 05:45:03 pm
21-21, fun and effective build.

And put those 2 IF points into shield instead.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Jarlek on October 25, 2011, 07:06:37 pm
Quote from: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 05:32:01 pm
If you can't beat them, banpoll them a accuse them for hacking  :lol:  I'm kiddin

What is the least-noobiest class of them all then?  :wink:
I never ban poll people and accuse them of hacking! Rawr!

Anyway, the least-noobiest class is for me a spear and shield with throwing and the moment you lose the shield you drop the spear and fight with throwing in melee mode! THAT is hardcore! Also full thrower, rocks only. If you rage at them, then you've got issues!

And now that I think about it, throwing cavalry is pretty badass too. Not eazymodez like most of the builds out there.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Razzen on October 25, 2011, 07:19:53 pm
Quote from: Everkistus on October 25, 2011, 05:42:34 pm
Least-noobiest?

Hmm... I'd say dedicated thrower. That's hard.
I miss the times of 2h and throwing lances ^^

I would say for the builds, that 24/18 will be a better 2h build for pure 2h,
but 18/24 is not bad for a crossbow build
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Leesin on October 25, 2011, 07:20:29 pm
Just remember Lennu that when we get to sieges in Strategus, anything that is pure 2h/polearm without a decent shield skill is going to be frustrating when you get pew pewed over and over and over again, not that shields + skill make you invincible, but you know what I'm saying. If you can deal with that then I say go for it. The first couple of builds look nicest to me.

The xbow build is like my xbow alts ( except he is level 30 ) and I just use a Mace ( 2h one ) Arbalest and a quiver of steel bolts, works really nice.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 08:50:51 pm
So, according to you everyone: I've come to a conclusion that I have 2 good options.
Any good shields?

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Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Everkistus on October 25, 2011, 09:16:37 pm
Lvl 2 shields suck and you're still dead with them. You should rather get that 1 point of IF to 3rd point in shield skill.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 09:22:36 pm
Are you saying that I should get better shield, or does the shield skill matter that much?
Better shields cost moneeh, and I'm trying to get balanced gear that would allow me to both be effective and still earn money.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Teeth on October 25, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
I haven't had any trouble with a lack of shield skill in battle or strategus. My only experiences with a back up shield have been bad, as I have elaborated upon in an earlier post:

Quote from: SgtTeeh on October 25, 2011, 08:39:20 pm
No, just no. First of all, it costs points, now that would be worth it if a shield would be effective. As a 2h meleer with a shield you will have to put the shield away to fight, which is 80% of the time, after the initial run to the fray.

When youre not fighting missiles are pretty easy to dodge anyway, just spasm with your mouse. I mostly get hit while fighting, when I would have holstered my shield.

Also you can get caught off guard with your shield out at close range, which will grant the enemy a hit when you switch.

Overall a shield for arrows as a 2h is detrimental to your performance. Being a 1h shielder is just plainly boring.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Nagasoup on October 25, 2011, 11:28:08 pm
Quote from: Everkistus on October 25, 2011, 05:42:34 pm
Least-noobiest?

Hmm... I'd say dedicated thrower. That's hard.

nah throwing is so easy... just kite and throw
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 11:37:59 pm
Quote from: Nagasoup on October 25, 2011, 11:28:08 pm
nah throwing is so easy... just kite and throw

But you don't reach the top of the scoreboard with it.

back to the REAL topic: I'm kinda confused with this shield question :D
And what kind of sword reccomendations. Danish&German are expensive and too mainstream. I'm considering Sword of War.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Casimir on October 25, 2011, 11:44:26 pm
Quote from: Vibe on October 25, 2011, 01:45:08 pm
18/21 build - 2h cav is useless

I'd disagree mate
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Kato on October 26, 2011, 12:11:53 am
Quote from: Lennu on October 25, 2011, 11:37:59 pm
But you don't reach the top of the scoreboard with it.

back to the REAL topic: I'm kinda confused with this shield question :D
And what kind of sword reccomendations. Danish&German are expensive and too mainstream. I'm considering Sword of War.

Highland Claymore will be best for your style. Its a beast.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 26, 2011, 12:17:57 am
It's even slower than the two greatswords :(
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Rubicon on October 26, 2011, 03:26:47 am
I played a lot with 21/21 + longsword, fast / average damage / low upkeep, if you feel that your attacks are too weak, go for a sword of war or Great Sword.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Vibe on October 26, 2011, 07:19:55 am
Quote from: Casimir on October 25, 2011, 11:44:26 pm
I'd disagree mate

Well this was actually talking out of my arse, to be honest. I never tried 2h cav, but seeing the amount of 2h cav players (zero?) one thinks that class is rather useless.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: RamsesXXIIX on October 26, 2011, 09:26:58 am
About the shield:

I disagree with Sgt Teeth. Yes, it is true you can dodge a lot of missiles as 2hander, but, esspecially against some factions, not having a shield means you will receive at least one arrow before you engage every singe time. And if you're at a rally point, waiting for reinforcements, having a shield is incredibly reassuring. Even having 2 in shield makes you much, MUCH more viable in my book. Without a shield you're gonna have to be crazy aggressive ALL THE TIME, and you can't do that in strat. As a commander, when i see twohanders in my groups, I can't help think

"What the fuck is this shit, get a shield unless you got an unsheatable weapon".

2 shield skill could be a plain board shield. Which is decent.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 26, 2011, 10:04:06 am
STF an alt to 3/36 12ath 11WP. Dump in 2h and use a practice sword. oh the fun.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Glaurung on October 26, 2011, 04:49:44 pm
You can get a 1h/2h sword, so you can still attack while holding your shield. Useful for killing archers.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 26, 2011, 04:58:04 pm
Well, the most problems with archers will be in strat, and right now I get half of my kills from headshots. Because I can, and it's easy. But if the archers get nerfed in strat, archers can't do that anymore. Long range shots at individual target will be based on luck and spam.

So basicly, it will be raining arrows towards the big groups where you have better chance on hitting an enemy. There will be a shieldwall in there, and this will give me like +3 to +5 shield skill bonus, but the problem is that is my shield good enough to take the damage.
Actually, now that I think of it. In strat I only need 1 point in shield skill to use old board shield, which covers my char completely, then I'll just enjoy the shield skill bonus and hope my shield can take the pain.
In Crpg avoiding arrows is quite easy. And when I get hit I probably couldn't much help it even with the shield.

And does the shields weight x3 penalty affect always when you have a shield on your back, or only when you have 2 shields? Because I'm kinda intresred in that 1h/2h thing.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Teeth on October 26, 2011, 07:10:34 pm
Only when you have both a shield in your hand and on youre back.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 27, 2011, 12:35:36 am
I had 2 shieldskill polearmer once... The shield barely covered me from the archers and when I got shot or poked with sharp object I lost a lot of my hp because I had no ironflesh. I would say that take more shieldskill if you want to survive long enough for it to have any real purpose... 2 shieldskill just makes you wish you had more IF, or shieldskill...
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 27, 2011, 12:45:39 am
Ironflesh is a nice thing to have indeed. But if I put 2 points from IF to shield, and I manage to use that shield to block at least 1 arrow, my shield has protected me from more than that 4 damage the IF would have allowed me to take  :wink:
Ofc, If I choose to take a few points in shield I will have to learn to use the shield too... And I've never used a shield, not even in Native singleplayer :D

I've observed a bit:Almost every Bashibazouk melee player is carrying a shield, and I have to say they are doing quite well with that. But then again, Byzantium 2handers/poleusers aren't using shields at all, and they are doing quite well too  :lol:
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Vibe on October 27, 2011, 07:55:33 am
I do just fine without shield too, doesn't mean I'll do fine in Strat though.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 27, 2011, 11:56:16 am
Heh, I got my SoW, my armor and gauntlets. And I can't resist their call any longer. This build feels the best choise atm. Thank you for your opinions, at start I didn't even think taking shield skill would be a good idea  :lol:

Level 32 (17 784 806 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 58

    Skills to attributes: 10

    Ironflesh: 1
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 2
    Athletics: 7
    Weapon Master: 6

    Two Handed: 157
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 27, 2011, 01:16:28 pm
Just respec to cav :P.
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Lennu on October 27, 2011, 01:38:20 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on October 27, 2011, 01:16:28 pm
Just respec to cav :P.
-1 :P
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 27, 2011, 01:51:46 pm
Quote from: Lennu on October 27, 2011, 01:38:20 pm
-1 :P
-1  :twisted: Cav is better. Deal with it 2h nab 8-)
Title: Re: What should I respec to?
Post by: Bulzur on October 28, 2011, 02:08:06 am
You seem to have fun with the 2h with shield build you currently have.
And to be good with it. That's the two important parts.