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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Kafein on October 23, 2011, 04:13:07 pm

Title: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2011, 04:13:07 pm
Allow people to "smelt" two heirloomed items of the exact same base item together and create a better item.

It should be possible with :

- two +1 items creating a +2 item
- a +1 item and a +2 item creating a +3 item

You should pay a small fee to do it.


Motivations :

- Would help reducing the scaling between +1 and +3 items (a +1 costs roughly 300k while a +3 costs roughly 1,2 M => 400k per heirloom)
- Would make the +1 "bad" items that are flooding the market more desirable because you could smelt them and get decent and cheap +3 items
- Would make heirloom point trades completely safe. The seller just creates a +1 item of the desired kind and sells it to the buyer.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Wiltzu on October 23, 2011, 04:26:03 pm
+1    nuff said
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Mala on October 23, 2011, 04:31:21 pm
But add a breaking chance as well :P .
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2011, 05:11:48 pm
But add a breaking chance as well :P .

It would be cool (like 0,5% break chance for each item, if any or both of the two involved item break, the fusion fails and you only have 1 or 0 items left if you are extremely unlucky :twisted:)

Sadly, it would take out the best argument for this feature : safe heirloom point trading.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Jarlek on October 23, 2011, 07:10:18 pm
This is actually a really good idea!

+1!

But not sure about the brake chance.

Sadly, it would take out the best argument for this feature : safe heirloom point trading.
Not really. It would just be another type of gamble for the one buying. Buy a +1 that he can fuse and possibly brake or give the other his +1/+2 and risk having the other run off with it.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Mala on October 23, 2011, 07:28:27 pm
There should be a risk, because you try to bypass the retire system.
If it would be a 100% save method, then highlevel chars of long time players would get stronger with nearly no effort.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2011, 09:06:35 pm
There should be a risk, because you try to bypass the retire system.
If it would be a 100% save method, then highlevel chars of long time players would get stronger with nearly no effort.

I think the effort of spending 300k + gold to get something that will give you a negligible (when alone) stat bonus is enough. The market already allows people to bypass retirement or upkeep (or both xD). The moderation of this effect shouldn't be based on scamming.

This is actually a really good idea!

+1!

But not sure about the brake chance.
Not really. It would just be another type of gamble for the one buying. Buy a +1 that he can fuse and possibly brake or give the other his +1/+2 and risk having the other run off with it.

Thank you btw

Just like in what I said to Mala, I don't think the system should use scamming as a balancing mecanism. I there was a breaking chance with heirloom melting, then nobody would use it for heirloom point trading, scammers and honest people alike.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Mala on October 23, 2011, 09:23:10 pm
Ingame gold means nothing. I have a huge pile of it and i am at a higher level as well. So the only way to get any improvement for my current setup is to buy something at the market.

And with your suggestion i could get quite fast new powerfull items without effort, because i already have the money.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2011, 11:39:28 pm
Ingame gold means nothing. I have a huge pile of it and i am at a higher level as well. So the only way to get any improvement for my current setup is to buy something at the market.

And with your suggestion i could get quite fast new powerfull items without effort, because i already have the money.

People playing in very cheap gear like you are an exception. Most players break even and don't care about money or the market. If you already have the money, you already did the effort.

Besides, buying heirlooms instead of using a little more expensive gear is only beneficial at very long term (one, two months ?).
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: zagibu on October 24, 2011, 12:00:33 am
I think it's an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Balton on October 24, 2011, 12:34:54 am
No. It would serve to significantly devalue +3 looms by making them much more common.

If anything, this game would be improved by reducing the amount of max-level looms.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Rogue_Eagle on October 24, 2011, 12:52:32 am
I like the idea but not the break chance.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: kono yaro! on October 24, 2011, 01:03:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdaLxNpvI4U#t=4m28s

like dis?
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Earthdforce on October 24, 2011, 07:30:55 am
Reminds me of Diablo 2's set up for gems and such, but I'd like three +1's to make a +2, and two +2's to make a +3 better.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Duke on October 24, 2011, 10:04:53 am
What about combining two +2 identical items? What this be impossible, or would you simply lose one of the heirloom points?

It would seem like a huge exploit if combining two +2 gave you a spare point to use on any item you wanted.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Bjord on October 24, 2011, 10:33:45 am
- Would make heirloom point trades completely safe. The seller just creates a +1 item of the desired kind and sells it to the buyer.

For this reason alone.

+1
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: MrShovelFace on October 24, 2011, 05:07:27 pm
can i put 3 +3 heirlooms in my horadric cube and get one random +4 item?
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Dehitay on October 24, 2011, 05:15:27 pm
This would actually make +1 looms far more coveted than they currently are. My fear is that they might start disappearing from the market by people who want to use them for heirlooming, which would leave poor newbs who finally saved up 300K just to have a +1 out of luck. However, with the builds I see most commonly, by the time they save up 300K, they would likely already be level 31.

+1
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: PieParadox on October 24, 2011, 06:24:09 pm
What if I started trolling everyone by asking them to sell a heirloom point, then don't actually want it!? Then they made a +1 weapon that may suck. Not completely foolproof just yet.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: LordSnow on October 24, 2011, 06:30:03 pm
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Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Dehitay on October 24, 2011, 11:14:24 pm
What if I started trolling everyone by asking them to sell a heirloom point, then don't actually want it!? Then they made a +1 weapon that may suck. Not completely foolproof just yet.
I was about to point out that they could just ask you to put up however much money for the item you want and wait a few hours or so just to make sure you're not going to quickly take it down all of a sudden. But then I remembered that the dev team still hasn't implemented the incredibly common sense method of allowing people to offer gold for items.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 25, 2011, 12:47:35 am
What if I started trolling everyone by asking them to sell a heirloom point, then don't actually want it!? Then they made a +1 weapon that may suck. Not completely foolproof just yet.

That's true but I doubt many people would do it. And I doubt many people would be fooled.

EDIT: Poll added  :wink:
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2011, 12:05:53 am
2 people hate me :cry:
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: zagibu on October 27, 2011, 02:13:28 am
What if I started trolling everyone by asking them to sell a heirloom point, then don't actually want it!? Then they made a +1 weapon that may suck. Not completely foolproof just yet.
Maybe it should be possible to undo looming for up to an hour?
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 27, 2011, 11:50:59 am
Good idea but if it breaks you should loose all your gold and items.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Fartface on October 27, 2011, 02:45:01 pm
hmm pretty good idea right  now almost nobody is interested in +1 items.
but how about this u wil need 2 +1 1handers to get an +2 1hander,same for polearms and 2handers.
would be weird that u can fuse an steel pick and a long spear into a german. :lol:
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Bjord on October 27, 2011, 03:19:23 pm
hmm pretty good idea right  now almost nobody is interested in +1 items.
but how about this u wil need 2 +1 1handers to get an +2 1hander,same for polearms and 2handers.
would be weird that u can fuse an steel pick and a long spear into a german. :lol:

Allow people to "smelt" two heirloomed items of the exact same base item together and create a better item.

Wow...

And it wasn't even me who added those bolded words.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Jarlek on October 27, 2011, 04:37:36 pm
Wow...

And it wasn't even me who added those bolded words.
Dude, the avatar is not a random internet picture. Just sayin'
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Bulzur on October 27, 2011, 04:40:14 pm
I'd like three +1's to make a +2, and two +2's to make a +3 better.


Add this, and i'm totally for it.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 27, 2011, 05:17:46 pm
+1, but only if having 2 +3s gives you a +4
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: sF_Guardian on October 27, 2011, 10:12:38 pm
+4 is a very bad idea, keep the old system with cap at +3
and that fusion thingy is also bad, think before u heierloom and learn to use Market if you fail !
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Jarlek on October 28, 2011, 12:31:32 am
+4 is a very bad idea, keep the old system with cap at +3
and that fusion thingy is also bad, think before u heierloom and learn to use Market if you fail !
+4 is something chadz has already said he's thinking of implementing.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: sF_Guardian on October 28, 2011, 05:53:25 pm
Fack this :D
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on November 04, 2011, 07:20:50 pm
Shameless bump because someone posted the exact same suggestion  :lol:

Following: you have a +1 Spear.Then you buy another +1 spear.You should be able to merge them to a +2 Spear.

Alright?

What do you think?:D
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: B3RS3RK on November 06, 2011, 01:13:36 pm
Yes, when I make the Suggestion everybody is like "Naaah" and when Kafein did it everybody goes asslicking and like "Ohhhh yeah".

:/


Nonetheless +1, should be ingame.
Title: Re: Heirloom fusion !
Post by: Kafein on November 06, 2011, 11:57:15 pm
Yes, when I make the Suggestion everybody is like "Naaah" and when Kafein did it everybody goes asslicking and like "Ohhhh yeah".

:/


Nonetheless +1, should be ingame.

 :lol:

Worse yet, it's kinda true.