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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Torp on February 05, 2011, 07:22:52 pm
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if i use a horse that requires 4 riding, does it help to have 6?
or doesnt it matter?
which horse and how much riding would you suggest for a lancer?
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if i use a horse that requires 4 riding, does it help to have 6?
Yes.
which horse
Sarranid.
and how much riding would you suggest for a lancer?
Take your agility and divide by three, and you get your riding skill.
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how much does riding help?
and hwat does it do?
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Every point in Riding makes you ride a bit faster, similar to athletics, but on horse. Not sure about the numbers though.
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would this be a good build?
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Hit points: 59
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 7
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 7
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 164
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
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Torp, basically: yes, that is a good build.
However, like me, you will suck when you are dismounted. Because of 0 athletics and 3 if.
Now don't let people fool you, Sarranid is good, but certainly not best.
Best low cost horse: Palphrey/Steppe Horse
Best cost/efficiency horse: Courser
Horses which cost more on your own preference, Cataphract is probably the best armoured one overall.
Sarranid Horse is the best if you want a high manouvre horse.
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Torp, basically: yes, that is a good build.
However, like me, you will suck when you are dismounted. Because of 0 athletics and 3 if.
Now don't let people fool you, Sarranid is good, but certainly not best.
Best low cost horse: Palphrey/Steppe Horse
Best cost/efficiency horse: Courser
Horses which cost more on your own preference, Cataphract is probably the best armoured one overall.
Sarranid Horse is the best if you want a high manouvre horse.
would it be best to go 3 athletics instead of IF?
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would it be best to go 3 athletics instead of IF?
That's a choice you have to make. I have been using a build with 6 if 0 athletics and I'm too slow dismounted. But definatly have more survivability when I'm riding or just got my horse killed.
If I ever redo my build, Id probably go athletics 4+/- instead and 2 if.
Anyways, tell me what kind of Cav you want to be, than I can give better advise.
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i'm going to be a lancer
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could also go this way
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 63
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 156
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
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I would like to see Courser and Sarranid horse exchanging models. Only thing that draws me to Courser is its looks, Sarradin horse looks way to ugly imo. Also most lower tier horses seem like ponies, they are not in proportion with human models which is really funny because I can't think that anyone would hire designer who isn't able to draw things in proportion.
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Oh wait, no shield? Possible, I don't use my shield most of the time.
But yet again, you are a ninja, so you probably know your way around.
Your build is a good hybrid, I'd suggest going heavy lance+a polearm to swing of your choice.
Once youve choicen which horse to use, you are good to go! Things will be tough in the low levels though.
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but would you suggest 18/18 or 18/21?
edit* thx for the help :)
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I was hybrid lancer/polearmer. Had only 3 riding and 18/21 build (maxed PS, ATH and WM). 8 converted points and no shield. Shield will help you when you're facing skilled cavs like Ujin or Oberyn, actually it will save you from being killed because as a novice cav you have 10% chance to come out as a victor from that encounter. Against other cavs you go without shield, trying to hit them in the head before they hit you (I prefer side trust, going full frontal is too risky and random imo). Shield will also save you from pesky (horse)archers and throwers but they can be avoided (HAs less likely, damn those bastards). Against infantry shield isn't needed, of course.
Basically as a novice cav and smart player you'll do good against 70% of cavs who play on EU server. Most of them are either cowards (hitting your horse instead of you like that special Fallen guy khm khm) or not very smart or skilled (Turks, especially that OttomanSniper guy who gets lucky from time to time :mrgreen:). They are also many Shogunate members who are trying cavalry which you'll love to see coming towards you, of course Ujin is not one of them.
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I would like to see Courser and Sarranid horse exchanging models. Only thing that draws me to Courser is its looks, Sarradin horse looks way to ugly imo. Also most lower tier horses seem like ponies, they are not in proportion with human models which is really funny because I can't think that anyone would hire designer who isn't able to draw things in proportion.
They are all purposely different sizes, just like different breeds of horse really were different in size, only specific breeds of horse were these huge tank looking mofos.
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18/21 would mean you are better mounted, 18/18 means you are better on foot.
Whatever you like better, if you are a godly knight, than go ahead for 18/21, if you are not, go 18/18 for some dismounted pwnage.
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I'd go with 18/18 and a shield with a point or two of shield skill. It helps. With 18 agi your thrusts are fast enough that if you lose a horse duel, it was your error and not your build.
A agile horse really helps in horse to horse fights, which are one of the more fun things to do as a lancer. But I do generally manage on my rouncey. If you want to get (easier) kills, avoid skilled cavalry... if you want to make your team win, try to kill other cavalry.
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Sarranid horse is better for fighting against other cavalry , courser is better for hit&runs vs infantry + good for catching horse archers occasionally. I would also say that due to it's speed courser tends to survive against ranged longer. You can do well with both horses after some practice.
P.S. sarranid is a small agile horsie, courser is a strong sprinter beast, i think models should stay the way they are atm =).
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If I were you, I'd go 18/21, save the three skillpoints and play a while. If you think you are too slow dismounted, put them into athletics, otherwise into shield.
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Sarranid horse is better for fighting against other cavalry , courser is better for hit&runs vs infantry + good for catching horse archers occasionally. I would also say that due to it's speed courser tends to survive against ranged longer. You can do well with both horses after some practice.
P.S. sarranid is a small agile horsie, courser is a strong sprinter beast, i think models should stay the way they are atm =).
as i know you are good at playing cav, i would like to ask you, what your build is like?
and what items do you use the most?
thx
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as i know you are good at playing cav, i would like to ask you, what your build is like?
and what items do you use the most?
thx
I'm a hybrid atm with only 100 wpp in polearms, so i'll give you my previous pure polearm build.
18str/21 agi (ninja edit sorry)
6ps
7riding ( didn't notice a huge differnence between 6 and 7 while using a sarranid horse though)
6athletics (some maps are just not made for cav)
7 wm
165 wpp in polearms
Skillpoints converted : 3
Mostly light strange armor set , deadly---> masterwork heavy lance, heavy sarranid + courser, use any polearm you like, i suggest something reasonably cheap though, glaive/lhb/lhsm would do.
You can also go 15/21 to take some iron flesh or other skills you like, or take less athletics, i just like the ability of being effective both on foot and mounted. With a courser on full speed you'd probably still 1shot most people with a non-heirloomed heavy lance and 5 ps , but with a sarranid horse some people may survive.
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i assume you mean 18 str/21 agi?
and tyvm
btw, that is a lvl 31 build, i have 3 less skill points
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18 str
18 agi
6 IF
6 PS
6 riding
6 ath
6 WM
2 shield
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Sarranid are not just good against cav,the are too good on small maps or villages because they good movement allow them for fast rotations.
On Hilly maps u can let the horse stall.
Courser is good for open maps but to lame for me,but because of their speed the damage with lance are higher when you meet someone,
a Sarranid horse with heirloom Lance and in Right Hand are Nightmare
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I love the Courser's speed.
But remember that speed is allways working against you aswell!
Any hit you give OR take will get the same speed bonus boost.
Take archer that shoot you (behind some rock of course) now that arrow if it hits you gets your horsies speed bonus.
Courser can easily get 200% to 300% damage speed bonuses.
That Khergit bows 24 cut and Khergit arrows 7 pierce damage are now: 48 - 72 cut damage + 14 - 21 pierce damage = insta kill what ever it hits, be it the horse or the rider. :shock:
If you use Heavy Lance thats 27 pierce damage at full gallop those 200% or 300% speed bonus are now: 54 - 81 pierce damage = insta kill to all but heavy inf with lots of HP. :twisted:
Now how many times in a round you get to attack a player that does not know how to down block or does not carry a shield or is otherwise clueless? (aka does not take cover in hills, buildings, etc.)
And, how many arrows, bolts or throwing weapons you think is gonno get fired at your horse in one round?
That Sarranid horse with less speed but more maneuver to dodge those arrows suddenly starts to sound like a good alternative.
Witch ever horse you choose, been cavalry is deadly (to both rider and victim) but ever so fun.
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U cant use Sarranid horse like a Destrier or Amored horse,just fast attack and withdraw (Hit and Run)
Now with so much Throwers its much harder