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Strategus => Mercenary Recruitment => Topic started by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 12:48:51 pm

Title: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 12:48:51 pm
Please apply for battle at Ushkuru.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: okiN on October 16, 2011, 12:52:12 pm
Out of curiosity, were you crossing their lands or are they trying to rob you somewhere else?

Either way, banditry is a major threat to all trade routes. :o
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 01:01:23 pm
I dont think there is such thing as some1s lands. No fiefs have been taken yet.  So i'm in the neutral territory
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: okiN on October 16, 2011, 01:37:16 pm
Maybe, but it's obvious enough that most, if not all, factions with claims consider the lands described therein to be their own. You're evading the question!
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 02:27:38 pm
Apply for Mercs! Lots of fun and good gear guaranteed!

To Okin: I've already answered your question of curiosity
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Segd on October 16, 2011, 02:32:58 pm
Quote from: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 12:48:51 pm
Merc for Mercs!
Join us to defend the neutral caravan being robbed by the shameless Drz bantids!
DRZ caravan guards ready to beat Drz bantids  :lol:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 02:41:37 pm
Segd of Druzhina lvl 17 accepted for the lolz  :lol: (joke)
Hurry up, there are still enough places for good soldiers!
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Segd on October 16, 2011, 02:47:43 pm
Just made respec for Great Justice! lvl 12 now   :oops:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 16, 2011, 09:25:10 pm
bump
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Dehitay on October 17, 2011, 06:11:03 am
So where did you get attacked?
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Gingerpussy on October 17, 2011, 08:57:07 am
For now it seems Varyag was attacked by a rouge not in the BIA clan but in Drz Faction.
Drz wont have anything to do with this person and Bia says hes no longer in the clan. ivani4 or whatever is now on the our blacklist.

Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Xant on October 17, 2011, 11:52:07 am
Quote from: okiN on October 16, 2011, 01:37:16 pm
Maybe, but it's obvious enough that most, if not all, factions with claims consider the lands described therein to be their own. You're evading the question!
Since Varyag chose to play dumb..  :D It was apparently in Druzhina lands that he was attacked! Is ivani the robin hood of Druzhina's lands or is he state-sanctioned? Let the speculation begin..
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: okiN on October 17, 2011, 12:49:21 pm
Bandits are a threat to trade routes everywhere, responsible factions should hunt them down on sight!

Sorry about that, something urgent came up and I wasn't at home to cancel my application. I see the result, but what was the actual battle like? :oops:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Xant on October 17, 2011, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: okiN on October 17, 2011, 12:49:21 pm
Bandits are a threat to trade routes everywhere, responsible factions should hunt them down on sight!

Sorry about that, something urgent came up and I wasn't at home to cancel my application. I see the result, but what was the actual battle like? :oops:

Server   Type   When            Attacker                                            Defender
EU   Battle   10/17 12:23    Druzhina  a:73 s:43 k:30    Mercs  a:31 no survivors

It was over pretty quickly, very random  :D Cudgel-armed people attacking the falchion-then-throwingaxe-armed defenders on a hill!
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 17, 2011, 05:29:45 pm
We had no throwing axes. They were hatchets. Al in all with our cheap equip and half the enemy team in terms of numbers and players, we killed the same amount as we lost. I take it as a victory.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Bjord on October 17, 2011, 05:36:49 pm
Quote from: Varyag on October 17, 2011, 05:29:45 pm
...we killed the same amount as we lost. I take it as a victory.

So it's true, Mercs have lowered their standards.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Xant on October 17, 2011, 05:45:48 pm
Lol, BIA guy had worse equipment than you did, and it was 13v8 I think? And you lost 1 more than you killed.

But ok, you have weird victories :D
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 17, 2011, 06:45:31 pm
Hatchet is superior equipment?  Man ur non stop trolling is seriously influencing ur brain activity. I suggest u visit doctor straight away.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Xant on October 17, 2011, 07:11:30 pm
Falchions and shields > cudgels... when you ran out of those you got hatchets, which still costs more than cudgels :D
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 17, 2011, 07:39:40 pm
Quote from: Bjord on October 17, 2011, 05:36:49 pm
So it's true, Mercs have lowered their standards.

There were only 3 mercs who were able to attend the battle... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Bjord on October 17, 2011, 09:05:03 pm
Cudgels are fucking epic though.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on October 20, 2011, 10:55:41 am
YOU BASTARDS! Trade will break down! This is madness!

...no this is highway robbery.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Azlanek on October 21, 2011, 08:29:33 pm
I'm applying to join  :D

I'm pretty good melee-er, i'm a great manual blocker and I can hold my own (and usually kill) my opponents.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Jarlek on October 23, 2011, 03:35:19 pm
Quote from: Azlanek on October 21, 2011, 08:29:33 pm
I'm applying to join  :D

I'm pretty good melee-er, i'm a great manual blocker and I can hold my own (and usually kill) my opponents.
The battle was over a long time ago....
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 23, 2011, 05:40:14 pm
Stay tuned for next battle  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs!
Post by: Varyag on October 25, 2011, 08:54:25 pm
Apply for battle at Ushkuru!
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: ToxicKilla on October 26, 2011, 09:16:33 pm
A few of us at ENG will join just for fun and XP, no need for payment.

Edit:
Alas, we was not accepted.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Segd on October 26, 2011, 09:43:45 pm
A few of us at DRZ will join just for fun and XP, no need for payment. Because AI don't pay  :twisted:
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 03:21:36 pm
Lets consider your complete failure at taking village with 740 troops as your victory too!
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 03:40:49 pm
Lol, you fucking mad, 28 vs 75 or something, they had better gear, i'd say we did rather well to get them down to 50 tickets...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 05:11:50 pm
132 tickets left in village, check on battle list. 687 mercs died (53 retreated) vs 368 peasants died in village - its almost 2:1 KD for the village, I think its the worst battle i've seen so far on this strategus. even The Union had 22 merc slots with 450 tickets, fighting against 65-70ppl and they did KD 1:1, and also they had ligher armor if i remember well
your battle looked like a beating
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 05:33:18 pm
It also says Phazh has a 255:29 kill death ratio, somethings a miss, no, there was around 50 tickets left on each side when we retreated, and it was well over 2 to 1 roster, worse battle you've seen in strat, we would have smashed them if it was equal numbers, there was just too many of them, the second you spawned you were killed by an archer, we were just overwhelmed by numbers, we did pretty well considering the difference in players, you're a fucking idiot mate...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Nessaj on October 27, 2011, 05:37:35 pm
Screenshot taken at time of Mercs' retreat:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 05:44:25 pm
I knew we had them down to something like that, and there you go, 26 vs 74, and you still think we did bad...

Didn't think about adding up the remainder, but still, we didn't do bad...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 05:45:50 pm
 lizard_man - you forgot to count all ppl who was still spawned at the end of the battle on defenders side, which makes it total of 132 troops
i'm not talking about individual KD, i'm talking about battle results and they didn't lie before :)

 you suck
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 05:48:17 pm
Yeah, just realized that, anyway, what the fuck can we do with so many defenders, spawn rape is inevitable...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 05:54:52 pm
well other clans seams to manage defenders well
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 06:03:06 pm
You think, from what i've read it sounds like quite a few clans have had trouble, it's obviously gonna be alot easier once you take your first village, the battles i've participated in were 1 defence against DRZ, where there were a similar amount of players on both sides, DRZ lost quite a few troops, but had it easier due to the fact they didn't have to fight 3 - 1, then i participated in a Wolves battle, helping them, and they were up against a bigger roster, which they were also spawn raped, how can you sign up to the forums today and come straight here and gloat, you're a fucking troll...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Xant on October 27, 2011, 06:07:28 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Varyag on October 27, 2011, 06:08:06 pm
ernesto is a 100% troll that is obviously. Don't waste your time on this thing Lizard.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 06:37:27 pm
you just making up excuses, i'm disepointed. there is not enough ppl, too much defender, too many flying monkeys, the weather was bad, my mouse was ill
goodbye and good luck with this attitude to your failures: we win even when we lose, its 2 times now!

P.S. varyag in your place i wouldn't be saying much, did you kill anyone at all in that battle?
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 06:45:47 pm
Took you half an hour to come up with that, and what the fuck you on about, we lost the battle, knowone is saying otherwise, we'll take it next time, no worries, and the fact of the matter is, we lost because we were overwhelmed by numbers, simple, and this attitude thing, you're the one who brought it up, maybe it's time to move along little troll...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: DaveUKR on October 27, 2011, 07:26:09 pm
That battle just shows that the current system doesn't work as intended. I couldn't even reload my crossbow, because i had at least 3 archers shooting at me in the same time. When we fought against Druzhina it was like 30+ against 50+ and we've almost got their spawns, but they didn't get switched off (only some of them, i know the reason, don't type it here) and there was no organization on the defending side PLUS i couldn't spawn with weapons (as some other players), weapon rack didn't fix the problem as well. Always spawned only with the armour but without weapon (no matter what i've tried to pick)
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 07:43:33 pm
Yeah, the system sucks, this 3 - 1 shit is bullshit...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: SeQuel on October 27, 2011, 09:16:52 pm
10-25 Lizard, you didn't help much with the whole losing part either.

But uhh, nice try. Maybe next time you guys should take your spawn and put up walls to protect your xbow reloaders and archers. That way they will have you run TO you from spawn while you spawn on your spawn giving you a huge advantage and just slowly take out their tickets. That seems like the best plan if your that "outnumbered".
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 09:26:16 pm
We spawned, moved up a hill, they charged our spawn, we ran back, and from there on we were fighting on top of our spawn, eventually been overwhelmed, they just kept coming and coming, all this whilst under heavy fire from archers that had took the hill, spawn, dead, spawn, dead, spawn, dead, it's not exactly easy getting a good kill death ratio under these circumstances...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: mandible/splinteryourjaw on October 27, 2011, 09:41:44 pm
WOW!!!  26 vs 74 not a bad showing considering.  Why can't autobalance on the battle server ever do something like this for a couple of hours...putting me on the 74 team of course.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 09:44:28 pm
This was my point entirely...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Ernesto on October 27, 2011, 10:48:34 pm
they changed it to 50 merc slots after your battle, someone really want u to win
ask them to give u plate armor with it

whiners
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 27, 2011, 11:28:01 pm
And what the fuck has that got to do with us, whether they changed it because of our battle or not, and who the fuck's whining, yes, i've stated how rediculous the system was, but other than that, i've just been trying to get it into your thick head that we did a decent job under the 3 -1 circumstances, there's plenty of people who think it was bullshit...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Zaharist on October 28, 2011, 12:21:17 am
System was good. Giving the defenders a slight chance to win, making village sieges a bit more competitive and boosting defenders' interest. Yes, it's 30 vs 70 but teamplay makes the difference.
It worked bad only on maps with very close spawns.
Too bad they changed it to 50 again, I just hope that it was not the result of mercs' tears.

Ernesto, don't be idiot saying that mercs suck. They have very good squad with skillfull fighters and experienced commanders.
look at defender's roster
Quote from: Nessaj on October 27, 2011, 05:37:35 pm
Screenshot taken at time of Mercs' retreat:
(click to show/hide)
and tell me please the name of strat faction, that could have better KD in that battle.
23 (of 24 visible def players) are members of ex-UIF factions, with lots of STR, Grey and DRZ players.



sry for my english
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Xant on October 28, 2011, 12:24:21 am
COOTIES
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 28, 2011, 12:46:56 am
Quote from: Zaharist on October 28, 2011, 12:21:17 am
I just hope that it was not the result of mercs' tears.

Do you guys even read the fucking posts...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Zaharist on October 28, 2011, 12:50:11 am
Quote from: Lizard_man on October 28, 2011, 12:46:56 am
Do you guys even read the fucking posts...
I did.
Did I miss smth vital?
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 28, 2011, 12:57:51 am
Blatantly, i've been trying to tell Ernesto that we did rather well considering the battle was 3 - 1, and he's blatantly just trolling, not whining about the roster, i'm basically saying it's why we lost, why have you got it into your head that i was whining about the roster, skim my posts again, there's a couple saying that the roster was bullshit, other than that, there's no whining, and thinking my posts were one reason that it was changed, what, who the fuck would take notice of my posts that had nothing to do with it in the first place...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Xant on October 28, 2011, 01:19:33 am
The new mercs get trolled so easy..
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Nessaj on October 28, 2011, 03:03:39 am
The slot increase should really ONLY go with a buff to villages, either in terms of troops or equipment, a slight percentage buff all the way up on fiefs in general would be good and force people to prepare more instead of just spamming troops and using low-end crap equipment .
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Lizard_man on October 28, 2011, 03:41:17 am
You must admit though, even though i wasn't in the best of moods tonight, it was alot more fun with even numbers on both sides, for the moment, i think equipment for the villages is fine, but an increase in population wouldn't be so bad...
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Keshian on October 28, 2011, 04:06:39 am
the max 30 merc thing was to balance villages being too easy to take.  Wrong way to go and now its corrected, but increased troop and gold amount would be the right way to balance this issue of being too easy to take.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Bjarky on October 28, 2011, 07:20:59 am
Quote from: Keshian on October 28, 2011, 04:06:39 am
the max 30 merc thing was to balance villages being too easy to take.  Wrong way to go and now its corrected, but increased troop and gold amount would be the right way to balance this issue of being too easy to take.
yes, plus AI should actually pay their mercs.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Zaharist on October 28, 2011, 07:55:38 am
Quote from: Lizard_man on October 28, 2011, 12:57:51 am
why have you got it into your head that i was whining
Did I say that you were whining?
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Nessaj on October 28, 2011, 07:45:44 pm
Quote from: Bjarky on October 28, 2011, 07:20:59 am
yes, plus AI should actually pay their mercs.

The payment should have various factors though, or at least one.

For example:

If the Village is lost, no defender is paid (no one left to pay). If the Village win, they're rewarded well based on either one or more factors.

However, given the economy in Strategus at the moment I really don't think people should earn more than ~300 gold for a win.

It would be weird if everyone is paid the same for a defense though, some might just have been wasting tickets.

A solution would be the old gold earning system, where kills in range = gold, just scale it depending on the amount of troops so no one is earning tons of golds with a 20k troops attacking. Others have already suggested that though, and it is not the best solution.

I personally like Plazek's idea best, the Communist XP route (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19297.msg275426.html#msg275426). It should also ensure that people actually Vote-Ban those who waste tickets. It is a team effort to take a village or defend it, sharing everything would be the right way to go, at least for neutral villages.


Edit: Typo :(
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Nebun on October 28, 2011, 08:03:32 pm
Nord_Cooties - sounds interesting. And if village wins they should get bonus EXP, so they try harder.
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: Nessaj on October 28, 2011, 09:10:59 pm
Quote from: Nebun on October 28, 2011, 08:03:32 pm
Nord_Cooties - sounds interesting. And if village wins they should get bonus EXP, so they try harder.

A bonus for successfully defending a neutral fief is not a bad idea at all Nebun, because no matter what a neutral fief will always be harder to defend since everyone can sign-up. The attackers should always be the best organized and disciplined force on the field.

Excellent suggestion. It should also get more people interested in defending the neutral fiefs, and by that force attackers to prepare better in many aspects (gear mostly hopefully).
Title: Re: Merc for Mercs! Battle at Ushkuru!
Post by: darkwolf84 on October 30, 2011, 04:10:53 am
um how do i sign up to join?