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Title: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Daergar on October 14, 2011, 04:51:12 pm
Is it or isn't it allowed to behave according to the current rules under Announcement, ie going spectator if you need to be afk for a "short while" or however long a diaperchanged baby, call from work, taking a piss, having a smoke takes?

I understand the issue regarding the autobalance. I do not understand having to leave a server instead of being spectator for a few minutes.

I read that it was due to the serverload, as in being at max capacity playerwise. As far as that goes, I have never seen both siege servers full, and I pretty much play siege exclusively. Obviously I may be in error, but I still do not think it's a valid reason to leave a server completely.

Possible to code a simpleautokick feature for spectating over 7-10 minutes (a round) or something? Never noticed it being a problem before. If forced to choose, I'd rather have a spectator than a leecher messing up the team balance (just figure spectators being easier to spot than the clever leecher).

Anyway, simply curious and confused. And sad that everyone developing and administrating this awesome mod has to take the time in the first place to deal with time-consuming bullshit such as this. So, sorry for posting.

Edit: Couldn't figure out where to post this, move it if it's in the wrong section. Thanks.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Meow on October 14, 2011, 05:21:40 pm
What that rule means is that if you have to go afk in the middle of the round you join spec.
If you are dead or not ingame yet you can as well just stay in your team and not spawn it will make no difference.
This is so you don't stand around afk in some corner because you had to take a call or something.
Also this prevents people from using this as an excuse to afk leech.

If you on the other hand keep joining spec to then rejoin the team multiple times it's super obvious it's being abused to avoid the autoteam balance.

So yes it is allowed to go afk and if you are still alive to join spec if you need to go afk instantly but it is not allowed to use that rule to circumvent another rule like avoiding autoteam balance.

Basically it's common sense.

Also sometimes we will clear all specs from the server so don't complain if you get kicked while being in spec.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Blondin on October 14, 2011, 05:35:11 pm
And what about fixing the problem with doors at first round?
(It's a question not a request :))

Considering banner balance it doesn't work in first round, i guess clan ppl would like to be together at first round too.

Thx.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Daergar on October 14, 2011, 05:40:35 pm
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Basically it's common sense.
...

Thank you for clearing that up. Earlier today that was not applied, which is what prompted me posting what a bunch of us was curious about.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Meow on October 14, 2011, 05:50:50 pm
Thank you for clearing that up. Earlier today that was not applied, which is what prompted me posting what a bunch of us was curious about.

I really hope it's not all you got out of my post cause else you won't make it for long  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Dalhi on October 14, 2011, 06:12:07 pm
After your explanation Meow, I hope there won't be any admin saying "if you're going afk you can't go spec, you have to leave server". Becouse something like that happend (click (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18193.msg261103.html#msg261103)) and my guess is that is why Daergar wanted some explanation about this rule.

Best Regards,
Dalhi.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Meow on October 14, 2011, 06:24:10 pm
Trust me if people use spec to avoid autobalance there will be admins kicking and banning for it.
As i said go spec if it is in the middle of the round and you need to go afk (this means you suicide in the middle of the round because you need to leave but return in a few mins.
Don't use spec if you are already dead or intend to go afk for longer than a few minutes.

"But going spec is allowed!" will not be accepted as an excuse for trying to avoid the auto balance.
This is also what happened today just in case we are talking about the same situation ;)

Wanted to make sure this is clear enough  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kalp on October 14, 2011, 06:32:50 pm
Admin always give right to other Admin even if someone abuse rules and kick many people for nothing. We saw this today.

Soon you will have more and more prohibitions here...
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 14, 2011, 07:07:34 pm
If you have evidence, and it is on Official NA, then I would happily look into it.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Daergar on October 14, 2011, 07:14:46 pm
I really hope it's not all you got out of my post cause else you won't make it for long  :mrgreen:

Nah, I think your misunderstood me.

"if you're going afk you can't go spec, you have to leave server" -Dalhi

That is what I meant, and I tried to make that as clear as possible, since I presumed it could be misunderstood given the context. Which it appears it indeed was, my bad.

It just feels like it's going overboard. If I need to take a piss, grab a drink or have a smoke, I go spectator for a round since I do not want to leech, which breaks the rules and more importantly, hurts the team. That's what common sense tells me to do. If some admin then decides that my spot needs to be vacated for another teamhitting griefer, I'll try to take it in stride.

As for making it long (regardless of what sinister claims my ex-wife might have), I'm sure common sense will continue to carry me along without incidents, as it has since I began playing.  :)
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kingtrisp on October 14, 2011, 07:35:02 pm
Going afk should not be punished at all and if admins are going to start kicking or banning people because they suspect them of abusing a glitch in the system then that is going to get out of hand pretty quickly and it is going to cause a decline in people on the server's and of course cause more rage post's/unban post's.

I think special care is going to have to be used in this situation and admins should only punish people who are caught doing it alot (a few maps in a row and are definatly doing it without a doubt).

A perfect example would be that like alot of other player's when playing battle on crpg (siege is constant playing so this occur's very rarely)  when i am dead i alt-tab talk to people, browse the internet and watch tv/films on my second screen so when i am dead my concentration is not always on what is happening in the round so sometimes a round my end and i dont even realise and dont spawn in.

Does that mean i will now face losing my multiplier and being kicked or banned? 
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Meow on October 14, 2011, 08:47:56 pm
Ehm just to make sure... this is mainly about people who excessively exploit the spectator mode to get into the team they want on siege servers...

Some of those people even started saying "oh phone" or "quick afk" before they do it multiple times in about 10 seconds until they are in the right team.

This will not get random people banned who go afk as spec or stuff like this.

Once again it's something very obvious and it will be punished it is not something that hits innocent people who go spec to take a break or anything.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on October 14, 2011, 10:10:38 pm
Ehm just to make sure... this is mainly about people who excessively exploit the spectator mode to get into the team they want on siege servers...

Some of those people even started saying "oh phone" or "quick afk" before they do it multiple times in about 10 seconds until they are in the right team.

This will not get random people banned who go afk as spec or stuff like this.

Once again it's something very obvious and it will be punished it is not something that hits innocent people who go spec to take a break or anything.

obviously if we change it back to join the fray without choosing a team like it was a long time ago , it will serve 2 things : 

1- People will be forced and join the team BALANCE decide for you
2- Less of a hassle for admins  , going spec and rejoin can happen really fast and and the admin dont press tab all the time to see the changes

  So no more BS switching...

Also id like to mention the hypocrisy and audacity of some clans saying they dont abuse the system ,  you guys are cockroaches and dont help crpg one bit
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Meow on October 14, 2011, 11:28:47 pm
I agree with all of it :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Digglez on October 14, 2011, 11:45:36 pm
10-15min spectator AFK autokick would certainly help things out some
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 15, 2011, 12:46:46 am
Admin always give right to other Admin even if someone abuse rules and kick many people for nothing. We saw this today.

Soon you will have more and more prohibitions here...

Cry moar? You are just pissed cause some of your fellows were banned for alot of exploiting today and now you are going mimimi on the forum  :rolleyes:



Guys today alot of guys got kicked when they were spec, because a certain group of guys,
(click to show/hide)
, exploited the autobalance system until some of them got banned and the rest was too scared to continue.
Ofcourse the admins were strict during that time, because they are also just people and they were pissed due to that fucking behaviour and exploiting and to make sure noone starts that stuff again and might not be seen they started kicking spec all few minutes.
Everyone who didn't get that was either just dumb or didn't really understand the whole situation with the exploiting before.

And now stop crying here. Ofcourse it is not forbidden to go spec if you are afk for a few minutes and usually you won't get kicked (unless you are on spec at an unlucky time when admins start clearing spec, which happens usually only on battle servers to make room for active players) or banned for it.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Dalhi on October 15, 2011, 02:15:49 am
Only three guys that posted here know about what this thread is...
You keep discousing about exploiting balance by going spec, while our point is sentence written on chat by Lansamur: "if you're going afk you can't go spec, you have to leave server". Sure do your job, if you'll find people abusing the game rules ban them, noone in this thread is complaining about it, but for fuck sake do not get paranoid about it like it happend in situations that Daergar and me tried to explain.
To be honest, apart from bans for ones who deserved them it was an hour of worst admining I've seen so far in cRPG. And I hope both of admins that were online then are aware of that.
End of discussion.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Thomek on October 15, 2011, 02:53:15 am
I won't delve into the siege aboozers here since I tend to rarely play siege..

Generally, on battle server, if it's full or very close I kick AFKers to make room for active players.

Some players though, seems to use cRPG as screensaver, and are often specs when they don't play. No bans for them as of yet, but if I catch certain people again, they can expect longer bans.

Do not use cRPG as screensaver. If u go for a smoke or a piss and specing on a full server, a kick might happen. If it happens all the time for weeks and months, expect longer bans.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Junica on October 15, 2011, 03:03:06 am
I agree with all of it :mrgreen:

Me too  :wink:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Njunja on October 15, 2011, 03:06:10 am
obviously if we change it back to join the fray without choosing a team like it was a long time ago , it will serve 2 things : 

1- People will be forced and join the team BALANCE decide for you
2- Less of a hassle for admins  , going spec and rejoin can happen really fast and and the admin dont press tab all the time to see the changes


I like this very much,

although I am a freshman  to cRPG(2-3 months playing),  so I don't know if this "old" system had any flaws...
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on October 15, 2011, 03:58:59 am
I like this very much,

although I am a freshman  to cRPG(2-3 months playing),  so I don't know if this "old" system had any flaws...

The old system had many flaws , but it felt like home ,

   I guess we could say i liked it because it was a Virgin Crpg , all fresh and pure untouched by evil  , since that time too many soldiers got their way with her :(
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 15, 2011, 10:32:01 am
Only three guys that posted here know about what this thread is...
You keep discousing about exploiting balance by going spec, while our point is sentence written on chat by Lansamur: "if you're going afk you can't go spec, you have to leave server". Sure do your job, if you'll find people abusing the game rules ban them, noone in this thread is complaining about it, but for fuck sake do not get paranoid about it like it happend in situations that Daergar and me tried to explain.
To be honest, apart from bans for ones who deserved them it was an hour of worst admining I've seen so far in cRPG. And I hope both of admins that were online then are aware of that.
End of discussion.

Cry moar? You are just pissed cause some of your fellows were banned for alot of exploiting today and now you are going mimimi on the forum  :rolleyes:


Ofcourse the admins were strict during that time, because they are also just people and they were pissed due to that fucking behaviour and exploiting and to make sure noone starts that stuff again and might not be seen they started kicking spec all few minutes.

And now stop crying here. Ofcourse it is not forbidden to go spec if you are afk for a few minutes and usually you won't get kicked (unless you are on spec at an unlucky time when admins start clearing spec, which happens usually only on battle servers to make room for active players) or banned for it.

Maybe Hetman isn't the only one having readingproblems?

Whining about bad bad admins abusing their power because they threaten everyone with a kick/ban who will go spec in first round or for a longer period is very easy it seems.
If you don't get it that they did that just because of some heavy exploiting for more than an hour before, I'd say go back to school my friend  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kalp on October 15, 2011, 10:37:21 am
And you have problem with acceptance of the truth. People saw what these two admins did on server and I don't mean bans/kicks for the CS spam or balance. Why you think why Daergar start this topic ?
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Daergar on October 15, 2011, 11:01:29 am
To specify, my main reason for the thread was the simple question if spectating while afk was allowed or not, since Must and Lansamur refered to rules that did not exist and made me feel slightly retarded for not being able to find them.

Edit: Which I believe has been answered, even if it still seems a bit arbitrary. Yay for being human.  :)
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 15, 2011, 11:12:37 am
And you have problem with acceptance of the truth. People saw what these two admins did on server and I don't mean bans/kicks for the CS spam or balance. Why you think why Daergar start this topic ?

Don't you get it?

They were pissed and annoyed and started some kind of raging after your retarded teammembers exploited everything that was possible for more than one hour.
What would you do after 1 hour of constant warning/kicking/banning a couple of guys who are doing everything to bypass rules?

You would start getting more strict and you would start preventing everything, so you tell people they shall not go into spec, because lots of guys used it to exploit and the chance of an accidental ban was very high during that time.
So you better leave the server before anyone thinks you exploit something.

My goodness how dumb can a group of people be  :rolleyes:

Usually it is not forbidden to stay in spec for a few minutes.

You grey are so pathetic. Abusing and exploiting every single loophole in the rules or just ignoring the rules is something you can do very well. But if someone does something that is not 100% written down in the rules you all go on a rampage and whinewhine in the forum  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kalp on October 15, 2011, 11:50:43 am
You have problem with reading, because I don't write obout this now.

Quote
Usually it is not forbidden to stay in spec for a few minutes.
This. Two admins kicked from server, form spec many innocent people for nothing. Server wasn't full-filled, maybe in half.  That's what I talking about.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Lansamur on October 15, 2011, 01:01:00 pm
Only three guys that posted here know about what this thread is...
You keep discousing about exploiting balance by going spec, while our point is sentence written on chat by Lansamur: "if you're going afk you can't go spec, you have to leave server". Sure do your job, if you'll find people abusing the game rules ban them, noone in this thread is complaining about it, but for fuck sake do not get paranoid about it like it happend in situations that Daergar and me tried to explain.
To be honest, apart from bans for ones who deserved them it was an hour of worst admining I've seen so far in cRPG. And I hope both of admins that were online then are aware of that.
End of discussion.


You only got one half of the story there. Lateron, Daergar asked on the servers why we stated that you can't join spec, but have to leave the server. At that time, we did that to relocate the discussion from the servers into IRC and/or the forum and to prevent further troubles, cause we were quite tired of explaining things over and over again just because people didn't want to understand things. We had been explaining the abuse and exploits for more than an hour at that point, and were quite annoyed at the audacity of some people, especially Kalp and Tot who went on with "blablabla you're the best, now shut up". I did the same for 45mins a day ago, too, for Grey Order, coupled with the forbidden Equipmentspam, with the same results and shittalking from Kalp. We're only humans with limited patience, you know, and do this for free. Most people on the servers, except Grey Order, might think exactly the opposite and were quite happy that finally something was done. We're not to blame for your incompetence to warn your own members if they don't understand basic English. We handed out bans to those who deserved them, no more, no less.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Njunja on October 15, 2011, 01:13:25 pm

Most people on the servers, except Grey Order, might think exactly the opposite and were quite happy that finally something was done. We're not to blame for your incompetence to warn your own members if they don't understand basic English. We handed out bans to those who deserved them, no more, no less.

Well said man.

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Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 15, 2011, 01:16:59 pm
You have problem with reading, because I don't write obout this now.
This. Two admins kicked from server, form spec many innocent people for nothing. Server wasn't full-filled, maybe in half.  That's what I talking about.

And I told you the reasons for fucks sake !


You are just readin what you need or want and everything that tells you what you are talking about is irrelevant for you, because it would stop your mimimi and rage rampage :rolleyes:



You only got one half of the story there. Lateron, Daergar asked on the servers why we stated that you can't join spec, but have to leave the server. At that time, we did that to relocate the discussion from the servers into IRC and/or the forum and to prevent further troubles, cause we were quite tired of explaining things over and over again just because people didn't want to understand things. We had been explaining the abuse and exploits for more than an hour at that point, and were quite annoyed at the audacity of some people, especially Kalp and Tot who went on with "blablabla you're the best, now shut up". I did the same for 45mins a day ago, too, for Grey Order, coupled with the forbidden Equipmentspam, with the same results and shittalking from Kalp. We're only humans with limited patience, you know, and do this for free. Most people on the servers, except Grey Order, might think exactly the opposite and were quite happy that finally something was done. We're not to blame for your incompetence to warn your own members if they don't understand basic English. We handed out bans to those who deserved them, no more, no less.

Basically what I tried to tell you the whole time Kalp.
Understood it now or do you need another 5 guys to tell you?
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kalp on October 15, 2011, 01:55:28 pm
I will stop wasting time for this. I think we still talking about two different things.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on October 15, 2011, 08:29:28 pm
I think everyone here is talking against a stubborn wall (you) ^^
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 15, 2011, 08:42:29 pm
I suggest a blanket ban on all ips from NA, as well as anyone using Grey Order, LLJK, DRZ tags, is an ex-Bandit or looks me funny. I think this would solve a lot of problems considering server drama.
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Kalp on October 15, 2011, 08:46:50 pm
I think everyone here is talking against a stubborn wall (you) ^^
Yeah, talk to my hand :P
Title: Re: Clarification regarding spectator mode
Post by: Thovex on October 15, 2011, 09:00:35 pm
I suggest a blanket ban on all ips from NA, as well as anyone using Grey Order, LLJK, DRZ tags, is an ex-Bandit or looks me funny. I think this would solve a lot of problems considering server drama.

I don't think DRZ has actually ever been a problem on the Public Servers besides them raping everyone by actual teamplay.