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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Elazul on October 01, 2011, 12:40:31 am
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Like the title says. I been playing this for a little under a week so far. Currently have a 1h/shield character at level 19 and gotta say i'm fairly frustrated right now. I have died an incredible amount of times and killed exactly 4 people... mostly by accident. Can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong? Build wise I am working at the standard 18/18 1h/shield build I found in these forums. Combat wise I suck... no I more than suck. I die to other peasants with pitchforks at the drop of a hat. Is there any ways to improve? I'm just not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel here and I gotta say its annoying.
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Wow I could write on and on about this.
The simplest answer, hang out on the duel server and ask for help.
I also think that no one should start out as a shielder. It's a good way to suck for a long time. Better off biting the bullet and starting out 2 hander and learning how to block.
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Wow I could write on and on about this.
The simplest answer, hang out on the duel server and ask for help.
I also think that no one should start out as a shielder. It's a good way to suck for a long time. Better off biting the bullet and starting out 2 hander and learning how to block.
I second this.
Also - you're going to be fairly weak until you hit lv 25 or so - hang in there!
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It's a good way to suck for a long time. Better off biting the bullet and starting out 2 hander and learning how to block.
Uh, no. Starting as a 2-hander will lead you to quitting the game if not jumping out of the window. I dont know anyone neither from native or from cRPG who didnt start as shielder to leatn the basics without dying like a fly every time someone looks at you.
@OP
There are two good tutorial movies about Warband combat, watching them is a very good idea and is quite enjoyable actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9jHcZjWw9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZZnl09qBKM&feature=related
There's also a, uhm, duelling video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kajtlvz1ze8). You could safely say that its petty much average level of a random player right now in Warband, unless he's really new.
Here's a guide (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1545.0.html=) about the basics of melee mechanics. Reading it might not be as enjoyable as watching the videos above but if youre feeling like you need to get a grasp on everything, there it is.
About duel server: it might be a good idea to try it, it is a good idea if you have someone to spar with. Usual duelling crowd will eat you alive honestly if youre as green as you say.
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i would start aiming for 25+ in battle servers, and your build seems good for not dying instantly. As a new guy on battle, try to see if you can survive for a long time, and try to take some hits for your teammates with your shield. That will also leave you with opportunities to get a lucky hit in once in a while.
After hitting 25, you can start gonig to duel servers - say that you are new and need help, and someone will most likely offer to help you, if not; post in here. Also try the single player practice mode - that's what taught me how to manual block.
Warband is a very hard game at first, and it takes a long time to learn the melee mechanics properly - but that is, in my opinion, what makes it fun. You actually have to practice and be good in order to do well, and you have to constantly think and react.
So to sum up; it will be hard and take time to learn it, but in the long run it 'pays off'
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Warband & cRPG in particular have high learning curves. Give it time and you will be very pleased. I was in the same boat as you, I probably got 10 total kills my first generation.
Stay shielder! You can contribute alot more as new player with shield. Play on siege & buy small/medium/siege ladder/siege shield/construction material when money allows!
Medium ladder is the single biggest contributor of success to winning as offense on Siege.
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My game improved a fair bit after about an hour on the duel server in vent with people willing to help. I learned stuff that I never adequately grasped during my entire first generation character's career.
For example:
Left-to-right swing (backhand swing)
This is your quickest attack and is best done while simultaneously stepping to the right of your target, as if you were going to run past him, then pivot to face him after your attack lands, block his counter-attack and repeat. This is why you often see two people spinning around each other when they fight -- they are both doing the left-to-right swing with a step to the right, which causes them to whirl around each other. If you don't step to the right of them as you swing, your attack will take longer to land and spammers will get you.
Right-to-left swing (forehand swing)
This is a longer reaching attack, but is slower to land than a backhand swing. I use it against backpedalers (where left-to-right wouldn't have the range to hit them), people who turn their back and run away or to try and get a surprise hit on someone that's closing with me. It's my least used attack.
Overhand swing
This is inferior to the backhand swing for fighting someone 1 on 1 but it's a great way to bonk someone on the head with little risk to your teammates. I mostly do this when I come into a 5v1 melee where the 1 enemy is snaking his way through the crowd and the crowd is mostly killing each other with stupid side swings. I ready my overhand and wait for the guy to snake past me and wham, right in the head.
Thrust
Use this similar to the overhand -- not for 1v1 combat so much as for group combat where you want to avoid slicing teammates, or to reach someone that's too far away for a backhand. It has good reach.
Also be aware of the "hold" maneuver. Consider the following scenario:
* You whack his shield
* He whacks your shield
* You whack his shield
* He whacks your shield
* You hold your attack for half a second, then release it
* He detects a pause in your tit-for-tat rhythm, sees it as an opening, goes to swing and them wham, your delayed swing hits him.
2H spammers often don't bother with this but shielders do it frequently. Don't wait for him to attack -- just establish a rhythm and then throw in a delayed swing to throw off the rhythm. Don't do this every time -- keep them guessing by doing it maybe 1 time in 3.
Your best bet against the 2H spammers, though, is the backhand swing and step maneuver. Delayed swings won't work against spammers because all they're doing is swing-swing-swing-swing-swing-swing-swing. A good backhand-and-step, though, can often get in a hit faster than them and sometimes you can get in two or three hits before they realize they need to stop spamming and get in a parry.
Another thing to think about is to just hide behind your shield more and attack less, if you find yourself getting creamed while your shield was still full health. By making someone bang on your shield for 10 seconds, you may be delaying one of the enemy's top players, and the longer you hold them off, the greater the odds are that someone will notice what's going on and help you.
At any rate, I think the best early thing to understand are the differences in the swings. Newbie mistake #1 is probably just alternating the 4 swing directions without realizing the differences between them. Forehand swings in a 1v1 duel generally do nothing except get you hit.
Also, you might try something like a Nordic Short War Sword or a Wakizashi. The damage isn't great but the speed is. Once you can start landing blows with those weapons, then try switching to some of the slower, harder hitting weapons and see if you can adjust what you learned to them.
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Nah, it's not as hard as people make it sound.
Just spend a lot of time on the duel server, that's what everyone else who is good did. If you want die less and get more kills, just stick with your teammates. Ganking etc is the easiest way.
I recommend you try either 2h or polearm, the latter since it's pretty much the easiest of the no-shield classes. Assuming you're not aiming to be a hoplite.
It offers a wide variety of deadly and long weapons, and if I were you I'd try my luck with either the good ole poleaxe or long hafted blade. Can't go wrong with backpedal spam.
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Uh, no. Starting as a 2-hander will lead you to quitting the game if not jumping out of the window. I dont know anyone neither from native or from cRPG who didnt start as shielder to leatn the basics without dying like a fly every time someone looks at you.
I did^^
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Play SP before even looking at that "Multiplayer" button or mods. Best piece of advice I can tell. No one I met that played SP a reasonable amount of time ever had problems starting MP. And it's really a fun game.
Shield is IMO not a good start if you already played a little SP. Having to block isn't that problematic when you have better reach and better damage (sometimes better speed).
Go for the cookie-cutter inf : DGS, 21/18 (to begin with) or 18/21. You don't need much more than basic offense and footwork to start killing, and cav will think twice before attacking you (not the case of shielders).
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I did^^
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well you'll keep dying over and over... but keep playing and watch veterans, spend some time in duel servers.
you got some really good advices here already so you'll work your way and style pretty soon.
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Uh, no. Starting as a 2-hander will lead you to quitting the game if not jumping out of the window. I dont know anyone neither from native or from cRPG who didnt start as shielder to leatn the basics without dying like a fly every time someone looks at you.
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*Smiles and waves*
I started as a polearmer (with some 2h, herpaderpa first build fail) and was aiming to get a horse. This was in december 2010, mind.
Personally I say you should start as a polearm and stick in groups. Not as retarded as 2h, piking will ALWAYS be good for your teammate (except tk, duh) and the long reach and decent speed is good to learn with.
I also STRONGLY suggest you make a Skip The Fun character just to practice dueling with. Just go for any build you'll like and practice manual blocking. It's important for everyone. ESPECIALLY shielders/archers/throwers since people are gonna spam you the moment you lose your shield/they get close enough.
Personally I think that 1h is not the best class to start with in cRPG. The high weight of shields makes you really slow and kinda forces you to know a lot about weapon range and the like. I think that for melee the polearms are the easiest to start with if you play supportively and 2h if you just mindlessly rush (aka retard tactics) the enemy.
I'm also gonna +1 the "play SP" suggestion. There are LOADS of fun and great mods out there, where you can also practice teamtactics (they apply to MP too) while learning the basics. Just remember to turn of auto block and the like.
And at last I'm gonna give you the best advice you can get:
ALWAYS try.
If you can't manual block and find yourself without a shield, just TRY. After some time you will learn it.
Don't know how to use footwork properly? Just TRY to guess the range/speed/whatever of you and your opponents weapon. Sometimes you will be right.
Not sure where to aim to hit your enemy? Just TRY to shoot and see where it ends and change accordingly.
PS: You can also hop on a TS and ask for advice from people. Hit me up in 78.129.194.2:9106. I'm Jarlek. I'd be happy to give you tips and train a bit with you. Also I'm EU if you wanna train, but tips/suggestion/guidance is irrelevant of ping anyway.
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Wow... I didn't expect such a large amount of positive feedback! Thanks for the information everyone! I did go ahead and create a skip the fun character just now and made a 2h maul wielder. Fun stuff. Actually able to kill people occasionally... I just need to get better at blocking. Thanks again everyone!
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Ok, just going to ask this question here since I don't want to spam up the forum with new threads.
I just got to level 23 for my 1h/shielder. I ended up picking up a crossbow for a sidearm and I like it very much. I was wondering if I wanted to specialize in crossbow and perhaps some other melee weapon what would be a good build and should I reset my character or just create a new one or just wait until 31 and do the hairloom thing?
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If you start using a crossbow, nobody will help you here :lol:
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If you start using a crossbow, nobody will help you here :lol:
Haha :D But still better than an archer ;)
@Elazul: Depends on your current build. Also, do you want to play 1h+shield with crossbow sidearm (or crossbow+shielder sidearm)? If so, mind that the bigger crossbows take up 2 slots which means you can't use a shield+1h weapon+crossbow+bolts anymore :/
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Respecs are best if you want to completely reinvent your character. e.g., leveled an archer to 25, decided you can't stand it, go ahead and respec. If you just wish you had a couple more athletics or a couple more PS or something, go ahead and power through to 31 and retire. In My Opinion.
Regarding Ginosaji's comment, there are some 0 slot 1H weapons. So you could do:
Shield: 1 slot
Crossbow: 2 slots
Bolts: 1 slot
"Hammer" or "Hand Axe": 0 slots
Not that great because you have limited ammo and a crappy melee weapon. When I did archery with a longbow (2 slots), I skipped the shield. Bow, 2 quivers and a hammer and just tried to avoid melee.
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Uh, no. Starting as a 2-hander will lead you to quitting the game if not jumping out of the window. I dont know anyone neither from native or from cRPG who didnt start as shielder to leatn the basics without dying like a fly every time someone looks at you.
@OP
I started as a 2hander, both in native(played about 10 hours, then go bored) and cRPG.
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Native duel is the best for learning how to play good, but sadly it seems like in Native the skill level is getting worse. It's a rare thing to find good players there anymore, seems like most of them quit/don't play anymore.. quite the opposite development compared to c-RPG.
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Native duel is the best for learning how to play good, but sadly it seems like in Native the skill level is getting worse. It's a rare thing to find good players there anymore, seems like most of them quit/don't play anymore.. quite the opposite development compared to c-RPG.
the worse thing is that way you get used to the higher native speed. when you go back to cRPG where your longsword swing fast as a great maul in native, you need to get the correct timings back.
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Native duel is the best for learning how to play good, but sadly it seems like in Native the skill level is getting worse. It's a rare thing to find good players there anymore, seems like most of them quit/don't play anymore.. quite the opposite development compared to c-RPG.
Yeah I went to nditions sometimes, but now I can't be bothered anymore. I doubt I'll learn more there than in cRPG. Most cRPG players that are in the duel server are better. Also the differences between Native and cRPG get increasingly bigger with every patch, so to get good at cRPG you should practice in cRPG.
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Crossbows are easily accurate with 0 prof, but you could make an easy hybrid with the 18/18 since you get some extra points. Try this I assume you haven't gotten far.
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 63
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 6
Athletics: 6
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 130
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 104
Throwing: 1
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dont bother putting more than 50-75 points into xbow unless it is account for over half your kills. Sure you're repair costs will be a little higher, but points better spent somewhere else.
50-75 points in crossbow will roughly double your accuracy from 1 WPF.
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Ok, I solved my indecision problem. I made this character into a crossbow/2h character and also made a bow archer and a skip the fun pure 2h so I can practice 2h blocking and fighting. I will probably make my next character into a shielder again once I learn how to block better. Crossbow is fun, but the reload times on the arbalest are killing me. The bow archer is fun though and I enjoy sniping people with the longbow. I still suck at 2H fighting but i'm getting better. Thanks for all the tips everyone!
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I'm in the same boat, I've been playing for three days now and I'm actually climbing the massive learning curve. Get into duel games and practice blocking, once you can block decently you can do some thangs
I'm still a newb, and I'm looking for a shepard to teach me how to be good
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Remember, there's no point in dueling people on EU3 if you don't know how to block at all.
Start with native tutorial, go up the difficulty and then finally go duel people.
Same for chambering.
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The Nditions Duel server ios the place to go, you can start with the Naked ywo hand NPC dude, then move up the different ranks of NPC's then start dueling people, once you got warmed up.
The best thing you can do is join a active clan, once your on comm you clan should train you up, nothing like some one to one training to bring you up to speed.
Also i would start out as a two hander, best way to learn how to block, your be fine behind a shield but once it brakes you will not know what to do.
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Ah yes, please remember that you have to pay for upkeep when you hit level 26, so using a useful 2h weapon (Persian Battle Axe is the only exception I can think of) and a crossbow is going to be pretty expensive.
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Wait untill you hit 31 and get the heirloom point, if you haven't commited too far you might be able to make a hybrid with the current build you have. I started about a year ago and just started to get averege in battle servers. Started as a thrower but switched to 2h because in the long run it's more entertaining. If you play in battle servers don't be afraid to run away from someone you know you can't beat, that's what took me a long time to learn and I am now better when following it. But don't do that if a teamates there or they'll get owned, onlydo it by yourself. Good luck and stick in there soldier!
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check pms elazul
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Well i am at the same situation, lucky there's good advice here :)
There seems to be a lot of 2-h funny costumes blokes in this mod.
Nothing you want to start with as a new to Mount & Blade.
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It seems that a lot of new players to Mount & Blade: Warband are jumping right into the cRPG mod and that is a mistake, unless you have a lot of patience in learning to play.
Everyone should play the native version to get comfortable with the game play when starting out. Like many suggest here, use the trainers for dueling, which will help hone your skills.
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It seems that a lot of new players to Mount & Blade: Warband are jumping right into the cRPG mod and that is a mistake, unless you have a lot of patience in learning to play.
Everyone should play the native version to get comfortable with the game play when starting out. Like many suggest here, use the trainers for dueling, which will help hone your skills.
uh no. thats like saying every tennis player should do a year of badminton first
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Yah, because tennis is for rookies.
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Ok, just going to ask this question here since I don't want to spam up the forum with new threads.
I just got to level 23 for my 1h/shielder. I ended up picking up a crossbow for a sidearm and I like it very much. I was wondering if I wanted to specialize in crossbow and perhaps some other melee weapon what would be a good build and should I reset my character or just create a new one or just wait until 31 and do the hairloom thing?
Depends how long u want to wait. If u want to try builds out keep making new STF characters (delete the old one first).
It takes a long time for the average guy to get to lvl 31 and you need to know what build you're going for from level 1 really.