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Title: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on September 30, 2011, 01:30:44 pm
It's just ridiculous, people constantly couching person after person and you have no chance against it.

You can't block it
You can hardly dodge it
Most shields break after one couch at full speed
Usually you die after one couch


Why not implementing something like a couched lance breaks or has a certain chance to break?
There is a single player mod, 1257 aD, where lances break usually after a couch.


And dear devs, cav really needs a nerf.
All the bumping and couching is worse than ever before, please do anything against it :/
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Rumaahinen on September 30, 2011, 01:54:54 pm
Couching is ridiculously underpowered. It can only kill people with zero awareness and skill. I am not playing cavalryman with a couched lance. Please buff couched.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on September 30, 2011, 02:03:43 pm
o.O

yeah sure :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 30, 2011, 02:36:37 pm
Couching and cavalry is fine, you get caught out by a couch its just a lack of awareness... Cavalry are now slower and less manoeuvrable than ever before and also unless you have riding 6 you cannot ride a decent horse light horse (heavy horses are great tanks but too slow to be a real danger).

Cavalry has been nerfed almost every patch since January (some  of them were pretty huge nerfs e.g. lanc angle) and still we see people blaming the nerfed class rather than themselves.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on September 30, 2011, 02:46:06 pm
I'm talking about when I try to fight a guy on a horse not when I'm unaware of what's going on goddamnit!
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Rumaahinen on September 30, 2011, 02:52:02 pm
Then you just suck or have zero athletics build with heavy armor. Dodging couched is one of the most easiest things to do in the game. Also in bad situations you can always just get yourself trampled instead of couched.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Xant on September 30, 2011, 02:54:04 pm
Just... dodge?
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Ylca on September 30, 2011, 02:54:40 pm

You can hardly dodge it

Yeah if you chose to take 20 PS and 2 ATH it's pretty hard to dodge, that's the tradeoff. If you did choose to put points into the stats that give mobility then your issue is awareness.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 30, 2011, 03:03:32 pm
end of thread? :P
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on September 30, 2011, 03:05:53 pm
Yes I am an archer with little athletics and the only fucking thing I have to defend myself is a hammer against a couched lance
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 30, 2011, 03:09:53 pm
With just a hammer you should consider yourself lucky you can even block normal lance :P
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Rumaahinen on September 30, 2011, 03:11:35 pm
If you drop down hammer and plead nicely perhaps horseman will spare your life?
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Bulzur on September 30, 2011, 03:17:21 pm
If you drop down hammer and plead nicely perhaps horseman will spare your life?


Ah ah ah ah ah ! Nice joke.
Most of the horseman are just killhungry, no way they'll spare anyone's life. Even more if it's an archer that can shoot down it's horse.

Back to topic, even the Gk will be amazed by my answer, but... i don't think couching needs any kind of nerf. Sure, there's some really good cav who are able to couch an aware person two second after starting couching, on a hill. But that's just skill. If you start about the "breaking" realism argument, then every weapon will also break after blocking several times, and this will really ruin the gameplay experience.

On another note, i still feel cav being slightly overpowered, thanks to the bumping, but at the moment, i'm more concerned about thoses damn ranged. So be happy Gk, i'll leave the "anti-cav lobbyism" for a while. See you on the battlefield. ;)
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 30, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
Bulzur I'm so happy *starts welling up*
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Bulzur on September 30, 2011, 03:41:27 pm
Bulzur I'm so happy *starts welling up*

You shouldn't be, you're range. :P Damn horse thrower ! :lol:
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Lorenzo_of_Iberia on September 30, 2011, 03:51:37 pm
still so happy :P
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Leshma on September 30, 2011, 04:01:02 pm
Problem with couched lance is that it grants free kills to already lame OP cavalry, all they have to do is to rush to group of people fighting and voila, free kill...
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Xant on September 30, 2011, 05:13:54 pm
Yes I am an archer with little athletics and the only fucking thing I have to defend myself is a hammer against a couched lance

Well things are tough all over then aren't they. You don't take athletics, you can't easily dodge a couched lance. Trade off, like someone said before.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Ylca on September 30, 2011, 07:04:25 pm
Yes I am an archer with little athletics and the only fucking thing I have to defend myself is a hammer against a couched lance

It's like i'm psychic or something.

"Hey devs, i chose to make a build with low mobility and a lot of power, could you change the game so mobility is no longer necessary? Kthx"

/thread
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 30, 2011, 07:07:49 pm
Get some athletics, problem solved. I'm an archer with no ps, but considering that the trade off is me having 8 pd 7 wm 5 athl I think it is ok.

Stop blaming problems of your build on game balance.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Jarlek on September 30, 2011, 07:27:22 pm
Get some athletics, problem solved. I'm an archer with no ps, but considering that the trade off is me having 8 pd 7 wm 5 athl I think it is ok.

Stop blaming problems of your build on game balance.
Fuck that! I'm on a horse and there is no way for me to attack an aware pikeman with my melee only build! It clearly is because pikes are imba and shouldn't be able to attack horses! Also why come people shoot me when I'm on my no shield 2h? That's just BS too! And it should be banable to kill an archer in melee since they don't have as much melee skills as the others so it's really unfair for them!

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Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 30, 2011, 07:29:31 pm
Fuck that! I'm on a horse and there is no way for me to attack an aware pikeman with my melee only build! It clearly is because pikes are imba and shouldn't be able to attack horses! Also why come people shoot me when I'm on my no shield 2h? That's just BS too! And it should be banable to kill an archer in melee since they don't have as much melee skills as the others so it's really unfair for them!

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Sounds like good suggestions for the realism forum!
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Torben on September 30, 2011, 07:47:32 pm
Yes I am an archer with little athletics and the only fucking thing I have to defend myself is a hammer against a couched lance

my dear friend.  a man comes straight at you, with his lance lowered and a wide chest towards you,  you are an archer,  and you try to dodge? -.-
use your weapon.

Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Ylca on September 30, 2011, 07:51:52 pm
my dear friend.  a man comes straight at you, with his lance lowered and a wide chest towards you,  you are an archer,  and you try to dodge? -.-
use your weapon.

A better solution is to have ath, dodge and shoot him in the back when he poses 0 threat.
Title: Re: What about couched lance breaking?
Post by: Torben on September 30, 2011, 08:05:38 pm
A better solution is to have ath, dodge and shoot him in the back when he poses 0 threat.

agree.  seems to be a solution not within his capabilities tho...