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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: POOPHAMMER on September 29, 2011, 03:33:34 pm
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Fuck banner balance, yea I will admit it is nice to play with friends and all, but it horribly disrupts the balance of things at times.
My suggestion: Have it so balance is determined by skill point. I have no idea if this is possible, but it would balance out the classes so one side wont outcav/outrange the other like it can sometimes.
I also just thought maybe add in a WPF factor too, just incase someone throws a point into power draw or something to throw it off
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Balance somehow by Power Draw and Riding skill.
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Balance somehow by Power Draw and Riding skill.
yes this is what I am saying, it would be great
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there can never be no perfect balance.. nuff said
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there can never be no perfect balance.. nuff said
nuff said?
or
nuffen said?
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there can never be no perfect balance.. nuff said
so what you're saying is... there can be perfect balance.
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so what you're saying is... there can be perfect balance.
Strictly speaking he is saying that there can never be an imbalance, and that it is always balanced... Which is an amusing statement.
You miss-used your "double negatives" rule.
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Fuck banner balance
Fuck playing with pubbies and mixed teams not on VOIP.
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You should never use no double negatives
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However we approach this, it's going to end up lopsided either way. it doesn't feel *quite* as bad as it used to, however. I remember the days ATS and Hospitaller would somehow be on the same team and we'd just end up facerolling the entire server because the enemy team would be nothing but pubbies and maybe a few TS guys.
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man i swear people in clans are so biased about banner balance , or say they will quit if they dont have the chance to play with their clannies ,
Freaking emos i swear , sorry to burst your bubble but its not a fair system and it NEVER WILL,
I dont care getting mobbed by the occassional full clan in a team , but when its everytime its RETARDED
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man i swear people in clans are so biased about banner balance , or say they will quit if they dont have the chance to play with their clannies ,
Freaking emos i swear , sorry to burst your bubble but its not a fair system and it NEVER WILL,
I dont care getting mobbed by the occassional full clan in a team , but when its everytime its RETARDED
Unfortunately EU 5 is living proof that the majority of people do not want BB turned off. The masses have spoken.
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Unfortunately EU 5 is living proof that the majority of people do not want BB turned off. The masses have spoken.
You know the average IQ drop in masses of people , follow other like sheeps and dont question anything :D
I also like to mention CRPG was fine and dandy without it and people were still playing , the argument about thoses server being empty is people are too lazy and prefer to join the more populated servers ,
I bet you 300k that if you put NA 1 with banner off , its still gonna be full , because that the server people are used to :D
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What's the point of being in a clan if you can't play with your clanmates?
I agree banner balance needs lots of work on the balance front, but it's also a great feature for clans that don't have their own private servers (ie 95% of them).
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What's the point of being in a clan if you can't play with your clanmates?
I agree banner balance needs lots of work on the balance front, but it's also a great feature for clans that don't have their own private servers (ie 95% of them).
now thats a reasonable answer , i agree with you Shine
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If the balance system were changed without a complete overhaul of the XP system most people would probably quit this game. The multiplier system is the reason no one really wants an accurate balancer. Better to be on a crappy team for a while with the possibility of getting on the good team and getting an x5 than to flip-flop between x1 and x2 all day.
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now thats a reasonable answer , i agree with you Shine
I do too. I just call it banner stack most of the time anymore because thats all it is
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If the balance system were changed without a complete overhaul of the XP system most people would probably quit this game. The multiplier system is the reason no one really wants an accurate balancer. Better to be on a crappy team for a while with the possibility of getting on the good team and getting an x5 than to flip-flop between x1 and x2 all day.
i play for fun before and xp after , and its not fun getting fucked by banner balance
Mind you if i was peasant , i wouldnt give a damn
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i play for fun before and xp after , and its not fun getting fucked by banner balance
Mind you if i was peasant , i wouldnt give a damn
A lot of people enjoy leveling up and gaining heirlooms. In fact i'd say a majority do, else everyone would play STF exclusively.
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The multiplier system is the reason no one really wants an accurate balancer.
Exactly. Which is why I wish things were mostly based on individual performance. We could still keep multiplier system but make it more of a 'nice bonus' if it happens rather the primary reward. It would be so much less frustration all around. It gets pretty irritating hearing some self proclaimed 'leader' insulting his team when they lose. As if we are all responsible for HIS win. It just reinforces this ridiculous desperation of some players rather than people being able to chill out and play the game on their OWN terms.
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Exactly. Which is why I wish things were mostly based on individual performance. We could still keep multiplier system but make it more of a 'nice bonus' if it happens rather the primary reward. It would be so much less frustration all around. It gets pretty irritating hearing some self proclaimed 'leader' insulting his team when they lose. As if we are all responsible for HIS win. It just reinforces this ridiculous desperation of some players rather than people being able to chill out and play the game on their OWN terms.
If XP were based on individual performance it would lead away from team based play directly towards arcade style FFA. Teamwork makes this game interesting, but if all teammates are is a possible loss of personal xp many are simply going to lone wolf or hold their strikes until they can get the last hit/last whatever that is incentive.
It really is a rock and a hard place.
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Exactly. Which is why I wish things were mostly based on individual performance. We could still keep multiplier system but make it more of a 'nice bonus' if it happens rather the primary reward. It would be so much less frustration all around. It gets pretty irritating hearing some self proclaimed 'leader' insulting his team when they lose. As if we are all responsible for HIS win. It just reinforces this ridiculous desperation of some players rather than people being able to chill out and play the game on their OWN terms.
i for one bitch about my team ex: not sticking together , afkers , or non serious people , while i go on and try the impossible and kill the whole clan facing me , pubbies doesnt play the game seriously so they lose all the time , so i lose most of the time!
I have all reason to be mad bro :D
i give my 200% for my team , i wished my team returned the favor ,
In the meantime , lets all matches be 4-1 or 5-0 because that is how people love to play this game /le sigh
i got to agree with the other poster the xp system help this situation in a perverse way
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i for one bitch about my team ex: not sticking together , afkers , or non serious people , while i go on and try the impossible and kill the whole clan facing me , pubbies doesnt play the game seriously so they lose all the time , so i lose most of the time!
I have all reason to be mad bro :D
i give my 200% for my team , i wished my team returned the favor ,
You should be mad at the xp system not other players. You can't EXPECT teamwork.
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You should be mad at the xp system not other players. You can't EXPECT teamwork.
no im mad at the banner balance who put all the serious people together :p
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Exactly. Which is why I wish things were mostly based on individual performance. We could still keep multiplier system but make it more of a 'nice bonus' if it happens rather the primary reward. It would be so much less frustration all around. It gets pretty irritating hearing some self proclaimed 'leader' insulting his team when they lose. As if we are all responsible for HIS win. It just reinforces this ridiculous desperation of some players rather than people being able to chill out and play the game on their OWN terms.
that's dumb, the peasant grind would take much longer and it would mean very good players would quickly accumulate tons of XP and gold while the rest of the playerbase stagnates
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I wish valour was a more simple thing given to say the top 3 people who kill the most enemies for your team that round. It's frustrating when you get balanced to a not so good team and lose 5 rounds in a row even though you are doing very well.
But yeah banner balance is not very good.. I would prefer a class based balance system.
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I would prefer to see a more complex balance system at play. Not that I know anything about the mathematics required to set one up, but ideally it would take into consideration many variables: Stat/Skill/Prof Allocation, Heirlooms, Level, Banner, Loadout cost (scaling for different stat/skill/prof allocations), Generation, KDR and more? Probably not a realistic desire, but I'd love to see it anyhow.
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It is easy to say NO to something, to bitch and stuff, but to come up with healthy alternative, that is problem. Either get the code for that ready, or gtfo :mrgreen:
nah, more seriously, even when the clans are stacked on one side, the randoms sometimes rock, and steamroll...so, where is the issue? and yeah, i am usually losing multi on first round before i get back to my guys, this fixes the problem :mrgreen: lets just all play with the same banner and no problem, huh?
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sorry to burst your bubble but its not a fair system and it NEVER WILL,
Love you balb, but life isn't fair.
Pubbies don't deserve shit. Join a clan or get shit on. That's how team-based pvp games should work.
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Pubbies don't deserve shit. Join a clan or get shit on. That's how team-based pvp games should work.
There is next to no other multiplayer competitive game in which in a non scrim game clans are consistently placed against teams of randoms by the balance system. None. Pretty much the entirety of the rest of the gaming community have decided no, that is not how team based pvp games should work. There's a difference between a scrim and general play and there's a reason that almost every game besides this one ignores clan tags when autobalancing. Hint: Multiplier.
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hey actually i have a related post...i thought the same thing about the balance system but i could not think of a solution for it
i made a new thread but i put it in the wrong section :oops: so if you know how to fix that let me know so i can put it in like the suggestions corner or game balance discussions go there and check out my ideas its about fixing the valor system to better contribute to the balance system so your not totally fucked on the loses team and not flip flopping between x1 n x2 in 5 out 9 matches -_-
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17225.0.html
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There is next to no other multiplayer competitive game in which in a non scrim game clans are consistently placed against teams of randoms by the balance system. None. Pretty much the entirety of the rest of the gaming community have decided no, that is not how team based pvp games should work. There's a difference between a scrim and general play and there's a reason that almost every game besides this one ignores clan tags when autobalancing. Hint: Multiplier.
Dunno where you play but in every FPS I have ever played in the entire history of my gaming life, and currently still to this day as I play BF2:BC for example, when you join any clan server they have in thier message of the day that "You will be (re)moved as needed to make room for clanmembers both on the server and on the same team as the rest of their clanmates." /paraphrase
Maybe if you're only playing on scrubby public EA servers it works the way you describe which is fine if you merely want to play with the masses of fuckwits who can't be arsed to play against the odds and actually improve.
(Of course considering the clan you're in it's not too surprising that you don't want to be teamed up with just them often. Who would)
Being a pubbie in a team based game means you deserve fuck all. Join a damn clan or stop whining.
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Being a pubbie in a team based game means you deserve fuck all. Join a damn clan or stop whining.
What if nobody wants you in a clan?
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What if nobody wants you in a clan?
Then frankly you must have something fucked up about you in which case fuck off anyways. With how many clans there are out there, and especially how many clans there are with moronic children spouting asinine fucking drivel 24/7 and acting like short-bussers, someone has to be pretty socially inept to not be able to get into at least one clan. That person deserves no sympathy and should probably be made sterile just as a precaution against their genes being passed along.
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Then frankly you must have something fucked up about you in which case fuck off anyways. With how many clans there are out there, and especially how many clans there are with moronic children spouting asinine fucking drivel 24/7 and acting like short-bussers, someone has to be pretty socially inept to not be able to get into at least one clan. That person deserves no sympathy and should probably be made sterile just as a precaution against their genes being passed along.
Wait, aren't you a father?
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Wait, aren't you a father?
Yep, and I tell my kiddo constantly to stop whining, man up and life isn't fucking fair so just deal with it. Unclanned people in a TEAM game should do the same. FFS they can just be a bitch and put on a clan's banner, which they do all the time, to try and get a better chance to be on the winning team as it is currently. Yeah, it's a bitch move unless you're actually applying for said clan and trying to work with them as part of your trial/application period, but it can't be stopped so wtf is the issue.
Awaaaaah, an organized group with voice chat is doing better than a bunch of unorganized pubbers without voice chat. Life isn't faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair. Fucking people nowadays are such lazy whining pieces of shit it's disgusting, and not just in gaming.
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But, but what if they are deaf?
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But, but what if they are deaf?
Fuck em.
Blind? Fuck em.
Armless? Fuck em.
Brain dead? Fuck em.
In a coma? Fuck em.
Any other bullshit possible? Fuck em.
In general, fuck people and stop being a bitch.
*Found an avatar for the whiners: visitors can't see pics , please register or login
And I found your leader: http://noclans4me.tripod.com/*
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Gorath,
I know it is a horrible habit of yours to shit all over the message boards with nonsense nobody cares about, but I am gonna have to ask you to shut the fuck up
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Gorath,
I know it is a horrible habit of yours to shit all over the message boards with nonsense nobody cares about, but I am gonna have to ask you to shut the fuck up
Hmmm. How about you go fuck yourself and I'll continue to say whatever the fuck I want in your bitch threads?
:shock:
Abloo bloo, aboo.
When I start giving a shit about the opinion of morons with pre-teen humor based names that defecate via their oral cavity I'll let you know.
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Be nice.
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Be nice.
Though I do agree that pubbies deserve nothing, there's no reason to repeatedly spam it.
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Though I do agree that pubbies deserve nothing, there's no reason to repeatedly spam it.
Point taken.
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Thing is, there might be alot of people with very high wpf and they will still be noobs^^
Don't think that could really balance a team :/
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Fuck em.
Blind? Fuck em.
Armless? Fuck em.
Brain dead? Fuck em.
In a coma? Fuck em.
Any other bullshit possible? Fuck em.
In general, fuck people and stop being a bitch.
*Found an avatar for the whiners: visitors can't see pics , please register or login
And I found your leader: http://noclans4me.tripod.com/*
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Thing is, there might be alot of people with very high wpf and they will still be noobs^^
Don't think that could really balance a team :/
WPF was only a possible idea to go along with it, its more or less to help make it so one team does not have only 1 or 2 cav when the enemy has 8+, also balances out ranged
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Gorath you used to be a reasonable man :(
Back then there was no banner balance and we played and we had fun , how is this so much important now?
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Gorath you used to be a reasonable man :(
Back then there was no banner balance and we played and we had fun , how is this so much important now?
The mod became flooded with worthless little shits that disgust me on a cellular level not just as gamers, but people.
Of course you won't have to deal with it for much longer I'm sure Balb. I'm fairly certain that given the sharp decline in my time spent not just in the game but on the forums as well, the waning interest in even sharing the same virtual space as the dregs and seeing the majority of the clanmates I like playing anything BUT this game that I'm simply in the death throes of involvment here.
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i dont think your the only one gorath....but then again the school has just started for alot of people that is why it feels like crpg is kind of a ghost town. people will always QQ about everything i have kinda fallen into that as well but everyone does.i blame society making people think everyone is a winner and give them a trophy when there the loser thats derp there is a obvious difference between winning and loosing do not cloud it,if anything make it a little bit easy to bounce back that is all though(i fucking hated those trophy's whether i got them or not bare minimum keep 2nd n 3rd fuck the rest)
/rant
theres nowhere for you to run gorath just tell them to stfu and forget they ever said anything :lol:
(btw i had to lock that thread due to the fact it was in the wrong part of the forums and i posted a new one in suggestion corner http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,17283.0.html)
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Then it might be better to (I have no idea if this is possible, but maybe^^) balance the gamy on the items a player uses?
That the game sees maybe 15 bows and 15 horses and then automatically balances them.
Or whatever there can be done, but I still think wpf isn't the way
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Then it might be better to (I have no idea if this is possible, but maybe^^) balance the gamy on the items a player uses?
That the game sees maybe 15 bows and 15 horses and then automatically balances them.
Or whatever there can be done, but I still think wpf isn't the way
The game has the ability of perception? Damn, some hardcore stuff these cRPG devs can do.
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The game has the ability of perception? Damn, some hardcore stuff these cRPG devs can do.
(I have no idea if this is possible, but maybe^^)
;)
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Okay, this is getting creepy.
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8-)
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How long has the mod been watching us? :shock:
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Always :shock:
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HAHA GORATH IS MUTED HAHA
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HAHA GORATH IS MUTED HAHA
about time
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Release the clone!