Quite obvious, this one.
All depends on the skills of the player.
agi would win a duel, but str is deadliest.
agi would win a duel, but str is deadliest.
Really, the ranged kiting hit-and-run would make the AGI build best in a duel. Anyone have any counters to this?
Did people really say 9/30 would beat 30/9 in a duel?
No. What? No. I'm sorry but that is not going to happen assuming equal skill.
30/9 with same gear & skill will win 90%+ of the time in a duel. I invite everyone with a 9/30 to duel my 30/9 in NA 3 duel.
3 shield skill, board shield or 2 smaller shields, and heavy armor on the 30/9.Horse, remember? That's why I said everything except hoplite. A 1h would be too short, twohander would lose the shield (making the HA/HC able to shoot them). Only a hoplite would really have any chance, but then it would be the build class and not the build specific that beats it.
Not enough projectiles to take the 30/9 down if he turtles.
ALSO! There is ONE big fault with this. What weapons and armour are people allowed to use? If they have to have same equipment than BOTH has to have cheap armour and BOTH must be less than requirement 3 horse/shield/bow with a less than 9 str weapon. THEN theSTR build would win, but as I mentioned above: If they could take any weapon/armour/equipment they can then the AGI HA/HC plated charger build would win against anything except a hoplite.oh no the only requirement is 30/9 nd 9/30 other then that you can do anything you wish
Uh, no? Agility is fine. If 9/30 would be on equal terms in 1v1 combat with 30/9, then why would you ever go for more than 9 str? Think about it.of course im thinking about it.you are limited to the requirements of 9 str, that cuts off almost ALL high tier weapons and armor and your attacks are glance quite a bit.(go look at all of your gear and see what you can use with only 9 strength)
It's dependent on strength yes, so? Balanced builds are the best builds, agi is fine. You're not supposed to dip too heavily into it.y not?
y not?
because you kill people with strength, not dancing.lol wtf dancing? r u serous you do not need to be strong to be able to kill someone.yes its a factor but it should not be THE ONLY factor.
lol wtf dancing? r u serous you do not need to be strong to be able to kill someone.yes its a factor but it should not be THE ONLY factor.
Agility is utility, strength is for actually doing stuff.Both str and agility are dependent on muscles. A strong but not agile man is not a pansy, but neither is a man with less strength but loads of agility.
Why should someone with a ridiculous amount of strength be on equal footing in combat with some pansy that can't even use half of the weapons and armor?
TL;DR: dancing.
Both str and agility are dependent on muscles. A strong but not agile man is not a pansy, but neither is a man with less strength but loads of agility.
If you haven't gathered this yet, I'll explain it Snoozer.
Balanced builds = good
Strength based builds = good
Agility based builds = barely viable.
And nobody gives a fuck. "Why dancer should do damage? I don't get it" "He dance, he no do damage; this is good"
Basically the mentality is: An agility build can traverse ground and help teammates in a support or ninja function. Thus they are battle effective by being able to gank enemies faster and choose fights.
Both str and agility are dependent on muscles. A strong but not agile man is not a pansy, but neither is a man with less strength but loads of agility.^ty i do not get where the hates from saying i want to dance around i want agility to be a viable build choice not some useless thing that the only reason a melee class would use it for is to "run away"
-snip-AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO POINT OUT!
It won't last in 1v1 melee fights.
-snip-I say it is still viable for HA. You now can get piercing. But also remember the HC. The light xbow is only requirement 7!
its said its viable for HA but is it??? u have 3 power draw and 3 horse archery so your in the same boat as infantry u cant do shit
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO POINT OUT!
YES the STR is better in melee, but in a straight up 1v1 the agi can still easily win by ranged and horse domination.
I say it is still viable for HA. You now can get piercing. But also remember the HC. The light xbow is only requirement 7!
Light xbow, 2x steel bolts and a mace, some HA, 7/8 riding and a plated charger and the STR build would still lose. Only way it could would be as a hoplite, but that would be the CLASS and not the build winning.
Rawr, the agi build can still win but only by being a complete douche.
niether........because in a melee fight with cloth for armor. Agi wins nearly all the time. If it is heavy armor then str wins nearly all the time.the ONLY requirement is the stats so everything is fare game and no doubt if your str you would be in heavy armor
niether........because in a melee fight with cloth for armor. Agi wins nearly all the time. If it is heavy armor then str wins nearly all the time.No, god no. Huge misconception.
In a 1v1 archer vs archer battle, does the STR heavy or AGI heavy build win? The AGI heavy.well idk the agi would had more wpf but the str would have more power draw and a stronger bow so im on the fence on that one actually i think str would when for what i have stated
you would only have 3 power draw and 3 horse riding i dont think you would be very accurate would you?What have you been smoking? Riding and WM is AGI skills, you would have loads of riding and wpf, making yourself pinpoint accurate. Yeah, you would need more hits, but with pierce the armour wont be that good anymore. Also against shielders you can just bump them to death.
the ONLY requirement is the stats so everything is fare game and no doubt if your str you would be in heavy armor
Personal experience, money is on the agi archer for archer duels... Only a difference of one arrow or so, but low wm is not fun.Agreed. Also a STR archer would have very bad accuracy and if we were going with the "30 in one 9 in the other" then the STR wouldn't even get the bonuses from all it's PD because of low wpf. Could still take some in IF or something to get some bonus but it would only delay the inevitable.
What have you been smoking? Riding and WM is AGI skills, you would have loads of riding and wpf, making yourself pinpoint accurate. Yeah, you would need more hits, but with pierce the armour wont be that good anymore. Also against shielders you can just bump them to death.
i thought horse archery was more or a factor on horse back then wpf,or everyone would just buy lots of WM and say a big "FUKUUUUUUU" to horse archery because its str f im not mistakenBoth riding and HA is AGI. Only difference is that Horse Archery requires 6 agi per skill and not 3 as everything else. But with 30 agility you can still get 5(!) Horse archery, making you VERY accurate even when moving (and thus can get the speed bonus without any problems).
EDIT: OH I SEEEEE i said horse riding not horse archery my bad man