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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Toffi on January 29, 2011, 04:04:12 pm
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What do you think is the best 1h sword to use with a shield as cavalry in terms of power, speed and reach? WHich weapon do you guys use? Plaese help me ;-)
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Initially, I used Italian Sword, but after heirloom theft, and long pondering, I switched to Knightly Arming sword. Balanced in terms of damage, long and fast enough.
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Nordic Champion's Sword.
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What do you think about the Sarranid Cavalry Sword?
weight 1.35
requirement 8
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce
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What do you think about the Sarranid Cavalry Sword?
weight 1.35
requirement 8
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce
Seems to be less versalite and cheaper version of
Nordic Champion's Sword 7842
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
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Nordic champion sucks now knightly arming is much better and cheaper.
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Second Gen I was 1h/pole cavalry and I killed shitloads of archers with the nordic champions sword, really nice reach on the horse, sometimes I even did a forward thrust at spearmen standing infront of my horse and headshot them, after my horse got stopped.
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I was gonna make a polarm / 1 h char for cav. How much do I need to invest into 1h wpf?
I'm assuming most would go into polearm and 70-100 in 1h?
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I was gonna make a polarm / 1 h char for cav. How much do I need to invest into 1h wpf?
I'm assuming most would go into polearm and 70-100 in 1h?
This is relevant to my interests. I'm currently have about 130 wpf in polearms, and just realized that I now have extra points. I had 3 wasted on ironflesh, and put two in 1h WPF. Next generation I might do what Ghazan suggested, however I'd hate to see my polearm/lancing ability suffer.
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I use a longsword
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It really depends on what u want to wear and use.
If u can afford to use the "best" (expensive) swords then pick one that is long. Best swords only have +1-3 damage and maybe +3-5 range and +1 speed when comparing to medium priced swords. That really isn't much.
I use scimitar. I don't use elite scimitar because it doesn't give any boost really and it costs a lot more to repair.
Just check the medium priced swords u might want to use, they are just as good, but don't drain ur gold so fast so u can afford to buy armor or a better horse instead.
Sarranid Guard Sword 4816
weight 1.25
requirement 6
spd rtng 99
weapon length 100
swing damage 30, cut
thrust damage 20 pierce
Nordic Champion's Sword 7842
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
Compare: Nordic sword gets +1-2 damage, +2 range, speed -2!, + some weight for stun effect. 3k more gold.
Is it really worth it? I don't think so. Best weapons are insanely more expensive and offer nothing in return. Personal fighting skills are more valuable than weapons.
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I currently use the Sarranid Cav Sword. And can tell you it works pretty damn well. Still dont get a 1 hit kill everytime with PS 5 on upper mail armored targets. But anything lower or damaged you will destroy.
I however have been thinking of switching to Italian Sword. 2 main reasons, less upkeep and im going for more the crusader look, not so much mixed look.
Only thing stopping me is the 98 length on Italian sword. Not sure how much of a difference this will really make, cause as sword cav, you almost need to graze your target to hit anyways...
Anyone have experience using sword cav with a weapon length less that 100?
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They removed the horse size from the status on the site, but with a cataphract you'd have no problem with a 80 reach weapon, steppe, sarranid and desert horses are shorter, hence they can be used more reliably with shorter weapons.
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Best 1h for cavalry?
1) Sarranid Cavalry Sword (great 105 rng, slow 95 spd)
2) Knightly Arming Sword / Nordic Champion Sword (good 102 rng, mediocre 97 spd) and Long Arming Sword (102 rng/ 98 spd)
3) Elite scimitar or Sarranid Guard Sword (average 100 range, good 99 spd)
As a 1h cav, I'd recommend going for 100+ range swords. On foot i prefer fast weapons, so i go for 3). But pure cavs should try the Sarranid Cav Sword, it's fantastic. You can slash in front of your horse with that thing.
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I use sarranid cavalry sword. With 7PS, most hits are kills unless they're pretty well armoured and have high IF. Like Phaz said, it's a bit slow when used on foot, but the range is again king.
Most people underestimate it's lengt, especially 1h/shielders. They come running up to you with an attack chambered and take a side swing before they even realized they got in range.
When I use my side sword from horseback, it's a bit harder to hit, but since it's balanced (35 cut) and fast as hell, I can dish out some mean damage when I hit people.
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Most people underestimate it's lengt, especially 1h/shielders. They come running up to you with an attack chambered and take a side swing before they even realized they got in range.
This is true, when i play with the Sarranid Cav Sword, you can surprise people that walk towards you with a chambered swing easily.
The main drawback is you can't spam it. I prefer using it on a mount but it's also good with heavy armor (you can't spam anyway in heavy armor, so the extra reach is nice).
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Nordic Champion's Sword.
Agreed, I have mine heirloomed, as far as a nice general distribution of power, reach and speed it is perfect. Great on foot as a sword and board weapon too, even against heavy armor (just thrust or aim for the head)
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im probably the only one 1 hiting people with my 38 (soon 39) dmg military cleaver watching the other cavs with their toothpicks making multiple attacks to get down 1 peasant. nope just kidding, everybody prefers something else.
i'll give sarranid cavalry sword a try to see how much really the length matters. some chicks told me it really does, some that it doesnt...
btw before the patch i'd say morningstar was the ultimate 1h weapon from horse but with 31 lvl softcap i can't really reach enough powerstrike to crush reliably through blocks with it (except for the last 30-31 levels). but if nothing, morningstar is definitely the most stylish!
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btw before the patch i'd say morningstar was the ultimate 1h weapon from horse but with 31 lvl softcap i can't really reach enough powerstrike to crush reliably through blocks with it (except for the last 30-31 levels). but if nothing, morningstar is definitely the most stylish!
The morningstar is not crushthrough anymore. So.....you're dumb.
OP- I wouldnt worry much about speed if your a dedicated cav, 1 hit is all your are going to need since you're moving. I would go with the cav sword or something with the highest damage to reach ratio.
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The morningstar is not crushthrough anymore. So.....your dumb.
not crushthrough anymore. So.....your dumb.
anymore. So.....your dumb.
your dumb.
your
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What do you think is the best 1h sword to use with a shield as cavalry in terms of power, speed and reach? WHich weapon do you guys use? Plaese help me ;-)
Masterwork long dagger. Nuff said.
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Whoops. The your/you're is a common grammatical mistake I make.
But really, pointing out grammatical mistakes is an exercise in futility since this is the internet and we are all writing in the informal literary style.
This is neither a peer-reviewed document, nor an official paper that will be read by someone who will care about grammatical errors.
Next you're going to point out when anyone says "LOL" or makes any informal abbreviation.
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Sarranid Cavalry Sword all day every day. The extra speed of the Nordic Champion's Sword aside, the weapon's the better of the two, not to mention the length is more than enough to outrange several 2h weapons on foot for when you get knocked off your horse or are messing about at the dual server. The 95 speed is managable with enough WPF and the weapon just looks classy, best looking crossguard in the game, IMO.
Not to mention the pricepoint for it is rather nice.
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Thanks for your help so far guys, I've bought the sarranid cavalry sword. Because it's the longest. Dunno if it works yet, need more experience.
I was using the morningstar before the patch too, it was great to kill a tincan through his steelshield in one swing, if u were fast enough. :D
But the morningstar was for sure overpowered. Btw, there are still some good cav guys like Guard_Barca who are still using that weapon and it still works fine, but the crushthrough is gone -.-
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Yeah, a mounted crushthrough weapon was game-breaking in my opinion. I am glad it was changed to shield breaking because it fixed the crushthrough nerf on the morningstar on foot as well.
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When I bother riding my horse I usually bring my side sword with me. I can normally get one-hit kills on light to medium armored opponents. Of course, it's heirloomed so that may have something to do with it.
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Side sword is too short in my opinion, but useable, I prefer more range (on horse and on foot).
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Sarranid Cavalry sword seems the way to go because of the range for sure.
As mentioned, often you can outrange people trying to hit you on the ground with their 2h.
Also not noted but noteworthy, in a cav vs. cav situation (where 1h has a disadvantage over lance usually), the sarranid cav sword can swing in front of the hitbox of the sarranid horse. While this isn't useful in a jousting situation because you will always lose, in a situation where you "pin" a lancer somewhere you can swing anywhere along your horse and still hit. I wasn't able to do this with the Nordic Champion sword.
On the ground, I use the sword in situations where someone is trying to outrange me (fighting against a 2h for example). However I recently started using a shorter weapon for the people that push into you (Steel pick), because the sarranid sword easily whiffs at extreme short range and has very little pierce damage
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I'm not 1h/cavs(maybe I'll have to become one {aft-patch}, lol...), and maybe that's why I don't understand, how you believe that Nordic Champion's Sword is the best choice:
Nordic Champion's Sword
cost 7842
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 34cut 23pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 23pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 24pierce
Knightly Arming Sword
cost 6880
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 31, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 33cut 26pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 27pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 28pierce
PS Bravo balancemastablastateam, bravo Yeti!
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I'm not 1h/cavs(maybe I'll have to become one {aft-patch}, lol...), and maybe that's why I don't understand, how you believe that Nordic Champion's Sword is the best choice:
Nordic Champion's Sword
cost 7842
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 34cut 23pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 23pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 24pierce
Knightly Arming Sword
cost 6880
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 31, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 33cut 26pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 27pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 28pierce
PS Bravo balancemastablastateam, bravo Yeti!
Depends on heirlooms. Without, the NCS is better (more cut is important from horseback). At MW level, there's no reason to take the NCS over the KAS.
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Nordic Champion's Sword
cost 7842
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 34cut 23pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 23pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 24pierce
Knightly Arming Sword
cost 6880
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 31, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce
Gen1= 97spd 33cut 26pierce
Gen2= 98spd 35cut 27pierce
Gen3= 99spd 36cut 28pierce
Long Espada Enslavona
cost 8026
weight 1.25
requirement 10
spd rtng 98
weapon length 103
swing damage 29, cut
thrust damage 28 pierce
Gen1= 98spd 31cut 30pierce
Gen2= 99spd 32cut 31pierce
Gen3= 100spd 33cut 32pierce
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Depends on heirlooms. Without, the NCS is better (more cut is important from horseback). At MW level, there's no reason to take the NCS over the KAS.
Weapons are selected not only for today, but also for tomorrow.
And very interesting... everyone makes heirloom, only u not...
If you looked at the statistics, then you noticed ,that already in 2gen KAS is better.
No dude,NCS is a bad choice and even worse investment.
PS Yeap... a cut +1 (and cost +1,038 g) for pure-basic, and really ... The NCS is better (more cut is important from horseback)
:)
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These all are good swords, but I prefer Espada. Mostly because of speed and high thrustdmg.
For cavs, weapon thrustdmg(1h) is irrelevant,imho...
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Sarranid Cav Sword is hands down the best sword for mounted play. Longest range and very high cut damage. Thrust and speed don't matter much at all to a rider, and anyway it's plenty fast enough to use effectively even if you get dismounted.
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Weapons are selected not only for today, but also for tomorrow.
And very interesting... everyone makes heirloom, only u not...
If you looked at the statistics, then you noticed ,that already in 2gen KAS is better.
No dude,NCS is a bad choice and even worse investment.
PS Yeap... a cut +1 (and cost +1,038 g) for pure-basic, and really ... :)
Gen 1 you can buy both the NCS and KAS, but you use the NCS because it has 1 more cut damage. When you get to Gen 2, you can heirloom the KAS and start using that as it now has the superior damage.
That way, you get the most damage out of the 2 swords for every gen.
BUT okiN is right, for cavalry use the SCS. It's the best. Heirloom it 3 times for massive damage with long range.
The KAS is only a better choice if you intend to use it regularly on foot too.
I'm going to try and use the steel pick from horseback, just to be special.
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This is my opinion, but I would say that the Sarranid Cavalry Sword is the best one, the weapon length and the swing dmg is very nice and its ok fast.
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Military cleaver is what I use. Besides that use the sarranid cav sword, when its masterworked the 105 reach has no match.
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What do you think is the best 1h sword to use with a shield as cavalry in terms of power, speed and reach? WHich weapon do you guys use? Plaese help me ;-)
Masterwork Knightly Arming Sword. 'Nuff said.