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Title: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on January 29, 2011, 03:26:56 pm
So i like axes.
Can't really stick with swords for too long and i dislike the thrust poleaxes get.
Now i was wondering if we could get at least one 2h axe that fits somewhere between the Sword of War and the Flamberge?

After some editing i came up with this:
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but my modeling skills are rather low and it's just an edit of the current Great Axe so maybe we can get someone to design a sweet one?
I hope i'm not alone with this :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: UrLukur on January 29, 2011, 03:47:28 pm
You want lightsabers too ? :shock: :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on January 29, 2011, 03:50:54 pm
yeah lightsabers and less morons who don't even bother reading posts  :rolleyes:

to explain it for you i am asking for higher tier 2h axes.
i don't care about the looks but posted an edited model as i fail to create a new one from scratch.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: UrLukur on January 29, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
It's as fitting as lightsaber.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on January 29, 2011, 03:54:31 pm
so are your posts.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vance on January 29, 2011, 03:56:43 pm
http://www.antiques-arms.com/catalog/sold-antique-indo-persian-dervish%C3%82%E2%80%99s-axe-18th-19th-century-pi-2017.html

I think that's as close as you get to the fantasy axe in the OP. Dervish axes are the only ones with a double head outside of fiction, AFAIK. Personally I don't think it's appropriate for the game, it's a ceremonial axe, but they do look cool.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on January 29, 2011, 04:03:22 pm
i like it  :mrgreen:
but really i don't need a double sided/bladed one i'm perfectly fine with another single bladed axe in the higher tiers.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vance on January 29, 2011, 04:07:55 pm
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.claymore-armoury.co.uk/images/scottish_swords/Large/No4-18th-lochaber.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.claymore-armoury.co.uk/scottish_swords.html&h=283&w=400&sz=25&tbnid=iNqZdvwDbZuBNM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlochaber%2Baxe&zoom=1&q=lochaber+axe&hl=en&usg=__mzxlNF9UKWJyOT4iqEXp-hmAo2M=&sa=X&ei=Dy1ETdHXIdK7hAfg5dCGAg&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQ9QEwAw

The lochaber axe is pretty sexy, similar to a berdiche.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vexus on January 29, 2011, 04:10:13 pm
Great bardiche?

2h have the fortune that all their axes are cheap considering their cut damage and having sword animation making them very good for such low prices.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Leiknir on January 29, 2011, 04:12:43 pm
Your linked axes are all 18th to 19th century.
If we get double headed axes, I want horned helmets to match the set, too :D


Seriously, a "better" 2handed axe would end up as a poleaxe, or imba.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on February 07, 2011, 11:43:03 pm
ok so i got bored again and after looming my great long axe i realized i still want a better 2h axes as i hate the poleaxe feeling.

so i got this model: Axe (http://road-house.org/mb/axe.png) it's not finished but is going to look something like that.

and i found this which will be the next one i will try to do:
German Footsoldiers Waraxe (http://www.historicalweapons.com/GermanFootsolidersWarAxes.jpeg)

i would pretty much like any input and also would like to make clear that i am not really looking for way better 2h axes but mainly for more diversity as there are craptons of swords :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Prpavi on February 07, 2011, 11:49:50 pm
looks good to me i love axes and would love to use a higher tier axe

hope this gets implemented
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: DrKronic on February 08, 2011, 12:32:16 am
If u look at the first post about adding stuff from the vikingr mod there is a screenshot of a berry nice looking ornate great axe being held looks cool

And I mean adding a high level axe twohand is doubtful to imbalance

All u do is make it only marginally better than a great axe at 11k-ish cost

You'll still end up with 5000000000 bar maces/lawlpikes/sideswords and a billion throwers with one guy using this hypothetical axe

Pay no attention to urlurkur btw anything he sees as a threat to his one handed build is met with scorn(I.e the man is a pure weaponslobbyist with an agenda, has no capacity to actually reason)
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: zagibu on February 08, 2011, 12:33:48 am
You would have to rebalance the whole axe line, though, because if you introduced a new 2h axe with more dmg and less speed than great axe, it would make the sarranid battle axe obsolete.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Radix on February 08, 2011, 12:35:50 am
another flamberge like  weapon??  :| no thanx
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on February 08, 2011, 01:18:17 am
i'll add two laser turrets on top :mrgreen:
as i said i don't need it to be actually better i just want some different blade shapes.
also i think a slightly better great axe somewhere between the claymore and the flamberge would be sweet.

alright so far i got this for the german footsoldier waraxe:
http://road-house.org/mb/axe1.png (http://road-house.org/mb/axe1.png)

texture needs work and i might smooth the model a bit further.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: DrKronic on February 08, 2011, 06:40:38 pm
Quote from: zagibu on February 08, 2011, 12:33:48 am
You would have to rebalance the whole axe line, though, because if you introduced a new 2h axe with more dmg and less speed than great axe, it would make the sarranid battle axe obsolete.
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Not really sarranid axe would still be the super cheap shield buster

The axe I saw from vikingr reminds me of a varangian guard axe, kinda ornate no longer than regular great axe but much cooler blade, I mean think basically minor improvement at massive upkeep difference not 150 length flambergaxe(I don't think op wanted a looney tune axe for two hand just a higher tier great axe type

Think varangian guard, they were not polearm guys they were huge men (rus/viking/later anglo-saxon) who were famous for two handed axe killing
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: zagibu on February 08, 2011, 07:45:37 pm
The head of this axe should be scaled down a bit, though, no way the dude would be able to swing that...it's more metal than is on the great maul.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: DrKronic on February 08, 2011, 08:12:26 pm
Really looks like someone oversized the great axe model and retextured it

Still 24 str requirement come on I can swing it lol
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on February 08, 2011, 09:16:57 pm
New Textures:
Axe (http://road-house.org/mb/axe2.png)

Head might be a bit big ;)
i'll check what else i come up with.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: zagibu on February 08, 2011, 10:55:07 pm
I think the model is quite good, but the textures still need work. I know that texturing is fucking hard, though, so i respect your effort so far. 10 times better than what I could have done.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on February 09, 2011, 12:33:15 pm
alright, went with a different model (based on this image (http://www.historicalweapons.com/GermanFootsolidersWarAxes.jpeg)) and used the native textures for now:
German Footsoldier's Waraxe (http://road-house.org/mb/axe4.png)
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Leshma on February 09, 2011, 01:25:17 pm
Quote from: DrKronic on February 08, 2011, 06:40:38 pm
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Not really sarranid axe would still be the super cheap shield buster

The axe I saw from vikingr reminds me of a varangian guard axe, kinda ornate no longer than regular great axe but much cooler blade, I mean think basically minor improvement at massive upkeep difference not 150 length flambergaxe(I don't think op wanted a looney tune axe for two hand just a higher tier great axe type

Think varangian guard, they were not polearm guys they were huge men (rus/viking/later anglo-saxon) who were famous for two handed axe killing

That axe looks good but it's kinda too big. Make it a bit smaller, change the model and add this extension at the back of the blade (shown red on picture) and name it Great Battle Axe and it's good to hit the shelves of c-rpg.net inventory screen.
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Stats should be (IMO):

Slash damage 48
Speed 88
Length 110

Unbalanced
Bonus against shields

Price 13500 gold

It wouldn't be OP and it has to be good for it's price. It would actually be worse than Great Long Bardiche and a lot worse than Balanced Lolaxes.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: monsterbrum on February 09, 2011, 07:42:09 pm
the round hat axe looks fun to me :D
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Raskolnikov on February 10, 2011, 02:47:30 am
Great idea - I'd love to see more axes!

Hey Meow, have you seen this episode of the series 'Conquest'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhRCNLMzUMY

Parts 2 & 3 have some huge two-handed axes. It's great stuff.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Meow on February 10, 2011, 11:28:22 am
i will totally have to check that out for more inspiration :D
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: owens on February 10, 2011, 12:06:36 pm
The sarranid axes are both very good cheap and effective but a 2H axe with a bit more price and style would be sweet 8-) it should be around 7-8k and be only marginally better a little faster or longer extra damage is not necessary. I think a longer head with a more ornate shaft and handle would be a good start.

Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Heroin on February 10, 2011, 12:10:12 pm
Quote from: Leiknir on January 29, 2011, 04:12:43 pm
Seriously, a "better" 2handed axe would end up as a poleaxe, or imba.

At first glance, I agreed with this. However, the great long axe(polearm) is superior to the great axe(2h) in just about every way.

Negatives that the 2h version has compared to the pole version: Unbalanced, 3 Less base damage, even less heirloomed damage. Significantly less reach. No thrust.

As a matter of fact, the only redeeming qualities of the 2h great axe is that it is cheaper, and slightly faster. As it stands currently, if you wanted to use an axe like the great axe, or great long axe as your primary weapon, I think it's a no-brainer to go polearms. Therefore, I would support an additional 2h axe in the same price category as the great long axe, with similar stats. That would give someone who wanted to be a primary axe user more choice in how they wanted to play/build their character.

Vote Heroin for CHOICE!


EDIT: oooh, that "Hache Boreene" axe would make a great model for a top-end two-handed axe. Someone should do that. :D
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Ujin on February 10, 2011, 01:03:13 pm
I'd vote for the german footsoldier's axe probably , it looks more realistic than the others so far. More 2h axes would be nice anyway.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: La Makina on February 18, 2011, 02:04:33 pm
My main concern with 2H axes is that they are too short (90 to 96) and that - in comparison - several 1H swords are too long (up to 103). Swords outrange Great Axes and that is not normal IMO.

As a wish, I would like to see a 1H1/2 axe. A bastard axe!
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vexus on February 18, 2011, 02:05:54 pm
Quote from: La Makina on February 18, 2011, 02:04:33 pm
My main concern with 2H axes is that they are too short (90 to 96) and that - in comparison - several 1H swords are too long (up to 103). Swords outrange Great Axes and that is not normal IMO.

As a wish, I would like to see a 1H1/2 axe. A bastard axe!

Fighting Axe.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: zagibu on February 18, 2011, 08:09:58 pm
A bastard axe is actually quite a good idea, although I don't think it would be much longer than a 1h axe.

The german footsoldier's axe also looks quite good.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: PolePot on February 19, 2011, 01:44:12 am
So basically what you want is a German Poleaxe with a lot better swing and a lot worse thrust? I would use that.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Lamix on February 19, 2011, 02:13:31 am
I just retired from 2handed to polearm for just this reason, i want somthing comparable to the great long axe in 2handed because i was getting into far too many shield fights with just a greatsword :D and that takes some time, they either have to mess up pressing the rmb or i have to break there shield which takes hella long time with swords, the great long axe(polearm) is as long and as fast as the greatswords but has the ability to chop shields but loses a lot in thrust dmg, i don't see why this couldn't be a 2handed weapon or as the OP stated just more variety is always good even if just same stats as some other weapons.

@Heroin better fixed for you, you knew the point of it.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Heroin on February 19, 2011, 08:31:13 am
Quote from: Lamix on February 19, 2011, 02:13:31 am
the great long axe(polearm) is as long and as fast as the greatswords but has the ability to chop shields but loses the thrust,

That axe doesn't lose the thrust.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: La Makina on February 20, 2011, 08:10:19 pm
Quote from: Vexus on February 18, 2011, 02:05:54 pm
Fighting Axe.

Definitely. I have just discovered (= get owned) that the 1H fighting axe has a length of 90, exactly like my 2h axe.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: UrLukur on February 21, 2011, 12:58:05 am
Quote from: La Makina on February 20, 2011, 08:10:19 pm
Definitely. I have just discovered (= get owned) that the 1H fighting axe has a length of 90, exactly like my 2h axe.

And no speed, and worse damage.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vexus on February 21, 2011, 02:39:54 pm
It has more speed not unbalanced but yes less damage.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: zagibu on February 22, 2011, 07:41:18 pm
It depends on which 2h axe he's talking about. Twohanded axe has more speed than fighting axe.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Vexus on February 22, 2011, 07:51:08 pm
In 2h mode it gets 2 more speed and I think 4 more cut damage.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Banok on February 23, 2011, 01:14:02 am
there does need to be a better "bonus vs shields" weapon in 2h, especially now that barmace is being completely gimped. however screenshot in OP looks horrid.

I was watching king authur and bors has an awesome looking 2h axe, which has a spike on end of pole for stabbing. stabbing is needed to rival the polearms "bonus vs shields" weaps like poleaxe which have awesome reach stab which stops cav.

this is pic is a much less historical weap but has the spike on end i'm talking about
 
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Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: DrKronic on February 24, 2011, 05:16:50 pm
The easiest thing to do would be to return the Great Long axe to Polearm/Two hand like in native SP, just make it require 18 or 21 str its not much better than great bardiche for max upkeep weapon basically
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: Siiem on February 25, 2011, 07:36:24 am
Great Axe allready has 43 cut, which is better then most 2h swords. I woulden't really mind more models, but higher tier when you ahve the 2h bardiche meh. And a bastard axe 1h/2h would be awesome. But a 2 headed axe is extremely pointless in warband.
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: owens on February 27, 2011, 08:21:47 am
off topic

We need more weapons especially axes.
Also would it be possible  for axes to maybe have a different hand hold to a sword more like a polearm pick up an axe and you will instantly no what i mean this includes bardiches they are the most unrealistic weapons in this entire game they look ridiculous same goes to mancleaver wat total bs
Title: Re: Higher "tier" 2h Axe?
Post by: jspook on February 27, 2011, 09:18:07 pm
Quote from: owens on February 27, 2011, 08:21:47 am
off topic

We need more weapons especially axes.
Also would it be possible  for axes to maybe have a different hand hold to a sword more like a polearm pick up an axe and you will instantly no what i mean this includes bardiches they are the most unrealistic weapons in this entire game they look ridiculous same goes to mancleaver wat total bs

not too smart, are ya?  This is a Bardiche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardiche).  and the game model is very realistic.