Here this guy out.
got ripped off
Didn't someone warn us about this UltimateWar guy already?yeah i just stated it out as soon as arowaine got jacked
report it as a loss on your tax return
But how to trace that it was a fair deal ? +3 item vs 2 +2 items is a bit to good to be true. How do chadz know if UltimateWar was not controlled by somone you know ? If i where a cheater and scammer i would allways make a 3rd party takeover to cover tracks ofc.
Im not saying you did. but in all fairness you should get back only what you started with, those 2 +2 items that is.
ABUSELOL Best pic ever!
You people's agreement doesn't mean anything...
Gawin went about this the totally wrong way and wrong tone, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's not compensated. If he is, it's not because he got some people to agree with him.
What like all the people crying and raging on the forum when they were stupid enough to get scammed because they trusted a complete stranger over the internet?, which then lead to the scammers being punished because everyone was calling for their heads.
Gawin simply has stated what he would like atleast in return, because quite frankly, he has done nothing wrong and is in his full right to expect his items back. Especially when there are a ton of idiots who get their items returned when they lost them due to their own stupidity.
hmm if i dont use a commanding tone then they might think i really dont care about my items, thus thinking it doesnt really matter. its because i used a commanding tone it implies that i really want my items back.
chadz's seen this most likely, he was postan' in some other General Discussion threads around the time this was at the top. It could be that your self-entitled tactic failed!if youre not trying to help me why the hell are you here?
if youre not trying to help me why the hell are you here?
if youre not trying to help me why the hell are you here?
I am trying to help you! Maybe you should, like, ask nicely? Because the devs owe you nothing, demanding that they give you your looms back is bratty.techanacly they stole my looms. they did not counsult with me about it. if you take something from someone without permission, thats called stealing. so ofcourse im demanding it back.
techanacly they stole my looms. they did not counsult with me about it. if you take something from someone without permission, thats called stealing. so ofcourse im demanding it back.
Well Xant does have a point, you could have approached this way more smoothly.
Your approval means the world to me, Bjord.
It sure doesn't help if you accuse chadz of stealing items. :lol:
According to the English Language, chadz did steal them.
Can't steal something that you own.
On the other hand, you can steal something that was someone elses.
There are no underdogs in cRPG, just a bunch of people pretending to be something.
Isn't that also true for the rest of the Internet?
There are no underdogs in cRPG, just a bunch of people pretending to be something.
Can't steal something that you own.
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Exactly -- It's chadz's mod, all the items, everything, in it belongs to him. He owes Gawin nothing. Therefore it would've served the aforementioned person better to ask nicely.
c-RPG is a free mod.
He has every right to be pissed off and curse at chadz. But if he wants something a good idea is often to be as humble as he can.
After all, to show true humility is to not give in to anger and frustration no matter what. It can sound harsh, but that's how it is.
In most cases in real life, being humble rarely get's you anywhere. Especially when you're dealing with a case like this. If you aren't more demanding, then often you'll just be ignored/no one will pay attention to you and other cases will come first from people who are demanding.
If the guys who took his items away (not going to place the blame on someone) are the kind of people who expect someone who's been wronged by them to come begging/whatever to them to get it back. Then they have definitely lost my respect. Whoever removed his items should fully expect a serious/demanding tone.
The tactically sound approach would have been to try and appeal to their sense of justice.
Going public never helps in cRPG. Gaining the support of the masses is useless when you are not in an electorial system
In most cases in real life, being humble rarely get's you anywhere. Especially when you're dealing with a case like this. If you aren't more demanding, then often you'll just be ignored/no one will pay attention to you and other cases will come first from people who are demanding.
If the guys who took his items away (not going to place the blame on someone) are the kind of people who expect someone who's been wronged by them to come begging/whatever to them to get it back. Then they have definitely lost my respect. Whoever removed his items should fully expect a serious/demanding tone.
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See following post :D
Anyway, devs may spend hours of their day making the mod. But we spend hours of our day playing it. You need both to have something. Having one without the other is useless unless devs are happy to just spend time coding ect for the sake of it. The same way a business needs customers. Just because a business splashes out lots of money to make something, doesn't mean we don't equally spend a lot of money/effort to buy it. In terms of crpg it's a time investment. It's the exact same thing.
If devs wrong someone and remove something they've spent hours and hours working on (i.e gaining heirlooms and being able to trade them). Then I personally think you should have every right to feel a sense of entitlement and as such be able to demand compensation or whatever. The same way the devs should feel entitled to slam anyone who tells them they are doing a crappy job at coding the game/whatever because that's what they've spent tons of time doing.
Yes Gawin should probably have approached the devs more directly than a post on the forums. But I still think even if he had, there should be nothing wrong in feeling a sense of entitlement. As both sides have invested something in this mod.
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Hence why I included 'unless the devs are happy coding for the sake of it' and for themselves can be added. If they are, then fine they can do whatever the hell they want. But tbh I know if I were doing what they were doing, a lot of the satisfaction would come from seeing how the mod and the community grow together. The increase in popularity ect. But that's just me.
In order for a community to grow properly/for something to be truly successful, you need to act like it is a business. Thus if someone has been wronged by your mod team/company, you act as quickly as you can to right it. That way the community see's active involvement from the devs and appreciates more what they are doing rather than them just being considered trolls and not really actually being respected by the community.
But like I said, if the devs don't actually give a crap and are just coding because they want to for them. Then of course they can do what the hell they like and watch the community grow/die without it affecting them.
I've seen nothing to convince me that devs have threated this mod like a business, ever, yet the mod seems to have grown and been healthy for quite some time. I guess it works?
....and then the marmot wrapped he chocolate. :wink:Well thats an expression I have to google
If I were the devs I'd jump at the chance to help someone I may have wronged. Regardless of how they approached me. As it was likely my fault in the first place.
Well thats an expression I have to google
EDIT: Google has no idea what you're talking about.
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Heh, that made me laugh. Not because I think it's silly, but because I would have said the same two years ago, as a member of a community. Fact is, things change. I actually would have way more to say on that matter, but I guess it's better not to, so I'll just do this:hey chadz sooooo i am not going to get my looms back? or is this just going to take more time?
the 101 guide to get support from the cRPG team:
step I) do not contact the following people directly:
a) chadz
b) cmp
why? because you need a hell of a lot of luck to hit the good minutes. It's not because I think I'm something better or I don't want to talk to you. I simply don't have the capacity to do it. Cmp, on the other hand, is just blatantly evil and a misanthrope, as far as I know. Either way, believe me, it's way faster if you go the right route of
step II) contact anyone else of the dev team,
because they will separate your story from bullcrap to "hey this guy could really need some help". and this helps me a lot. which means i can spend more time helping people (and eventually coding, too) and less time talking to people. sounds harsh, but it's true.
step III) chances are, the dev-member or admin you talked to forwarded it to me. chances are, I promised i'll do it - and forgot. So it can help, from time to time (do not read: all the time), to poke your contact every now and then, ask him about progress.
step IV) (not this case) do NOT even bother asking us to do stuff that is somehow gameplay changing. like "hey can you respec me". "hey can you switch my heirloom" stuff like that. Features are for everyone, or no one. If a feature doesn't exist, suggest it to be added. do NOT ask someone to just change stuff for yourself.
and last but not least: be friendly. we like talking to people who like talking to us. which means a friendly atmosphere. we don't like talking to people who don't like friendly talk either. Which means that friendly guys move forward in the todo list, not so friendly guys don't. Who would have thought.
as someone said, trying to be a bully helps when your McChicken has a brown leaf of salad in it, it won't get you far in this place though. Just human, sorry, can't help it.(click to show/hide)
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hey chadz sooooo i am not going to get my looms back? or is this just going to take more time?
Contact Espu/okin/fasader/shik/urist on irc, chadz propably alread forgot, he wrote in here...
I believe that Meow once said to me that heirloom retrieval is chadz's business.
Did you read chadz post?
So in a made up situation, if say you did a lot of trading on the market place, and one day you find out that chadz had taken all your items and gold or even deleted your account because a number of trades ago, unknown to you, a stolen item had passed your hands in an innocent seeming manner. You wouldn't be mad because it's acctually chadz's account right? You must have spent days if not months grinding gold and experience to get those heirlooms and things for chadz.
So you chose to disregard what chadz said and instead made a stupid-ass poll. Good job. "Should I at least..."? Srsly.hey how about you take your ideas, and go take them to disney land with you?
hey how about you take your ideas, and go take them to disney land with you?
hey how about you take your ideas, and go take them to disney land with you?
hey how about you take your ideas, and go take them to disney land with you?
How's being stupid working for you? Got your looms yet?
Xant seems pretty obsessed with your loom situation.
Conan is a retard
LOL EPIC WIN
Conan is one of those retards that try to sound smart and intellectual but manages to have it backfire on themselves.
Accept your intellectually inferior caste as the average internet goon that you are.
Xant missed the point on why I thought it was funny, good job. I never though it was an epic burn.
Do elaborate then, help me see the funny!
According to Jambi I'm a retarded hamburger flipper, I doubt if I explain it to you that we would see eye to eye. Rest assured though, it had nothing to do with you, just the statement itself.
Frankly, I am a bit surprised how you can compare the two even.
Simple.
I talk to Xant on the internet.
I talk to Jambi on the internet.
Seems pretty comparable to me when you insert enough logic fallacies.
Simple.
I talk to Xant on the internet.
I talk to Jambi on the internet.
Seems pretty comparable to me when you insert enough logic fallacies.
I don't understand...
I believe the next step is self-assessment, where you analyze yourself and correct flaws. Start by killing yourself. :lol::shock:
Why is this making you mad?Because, Minnie is such a fkn upskirt teaser, you know you will never get to hit that... fkn bitchy cocktease.
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