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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Dehitay on September 24, 2011, 01:47:24 am
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It's been underpowered for a long time now and chadz was kind enough to give us a written out way of asking for a buff.
EDIT: The hell?! I swear I had put this in the balance sub-forum! Could a mod move this there please?
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i voted yes - but in it should either be little less than 22 thrust or nerfed cut in order to balance it with other swords (longsword, HBS)
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No no and no.
I play a ninja with a katana and NO. it doesnt need a buff.
There is a reason it has low thrust dmg. 101 speed 37 cut, insanely fast, insanely high dmg for what it is. equal to greatsword damage?
And another point. if you want realism at all, the blade isnt designed for a thrusting, its designed for cutting...
if your thrusting with the katana ditch it and get a longsword. your using it WRONG
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The longsword has 23 pierce trust; the great sword has 26 pierce thrust. I chose 22 because that's the smallest thrust for all the high end swords except the current katana stats. Actually, out of all the thrustable swords, only the katana and bastard sword have less than 22 pierce thrust.
And to be honest, I could care less about realism in contrast with balance, but if you want to make that a point of argument, nearly every other sword would be as valid as the katana at stabbing. A double edge sword might be able to split open a wound two ways, but the katana could just as easily expand in one direction. I don't know much about these high end swords, but it seems unlikely that most of their real life counterparts were actually made for thrusting any more than the katana was.
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katana just got buffed
no
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katana just got buffed
no
SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS YOU GIVE IN A LITTLE AND SUDDENLY THEY WANT MORE BUFFS MORE BUFFS
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SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS YOU GIVE IN A LITTLE AND SUDDENLY THEY WANT MORE BUFFS MORE BUFFS
iknorite
katana needs crushthrough
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The longsword has 23 pierce trust; the great sword has 26 pierce thrust. I chose 22 because that's the smallest thrust for all the high end swords except the current katana stats. Actually, out of all the thrustable swords, only the katana and bastard sword have less than 22 pierce thrust.
And to be honest, I could care less about realism in contrast with balance, but if you want to make that a point of argument, nearly every other sword would be as valid as the katana at stabbing. A double edge sword might be able to split open a wound two ways, but the katana could just as easily expand in one direction. I don't know much about these high end swords, but it seems unlikely that most of their real life counterparts were actually made for thrusting any more than the katana was.
Ingame balance more important than realism.
Katana has shitty thrust, cause it has good slash and awesome speed.
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TBH Katana needs to be nerfed.
Nearly 40 cut damage is too high.
Show historical facts ?
Katana was designed to kill samurais who wear light lamellar armours not to kill plated knights.Therefore you shouldn't be able to deal shitloads of damage on a european fighter.
Since you ninja wannabees whined like hell they buffed swing damage now enjoy it before they take it away.
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iknorite
katana needs crushthrough
Katana need to be couchable.
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When the katana still had 35c and 16p. My view of a buff was making the stab 19p/20p. Now that it has 37c thats not necesarry anymore. Let alone 22p, be realistic mate.
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No buff to thrust, the katana was made to slash, not to thrust. 16 is more than enough, and then it just got buffed, now I think that it's perfect. (?)
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Katana, katana, katana... always about damn katana...
What about that poor sob of a sword called nodachi?
If Katana has 16p stab Nodachi deserves 12p at least.
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I voted no. Simply becuase 22p on a katana is batshit crazy. Maybe a +1 or +2 pierce but not +6. Seems like a troll topic to me.
And yes. Nodachi's turn for some love.
EDIT: Also, to both Dehitay and koyama, historical realism is a horrible thing to base game balance on.
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The No-Dachi overhead swing inflicts blockstun (the blocker is stunned and forced to block again) quite often.
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No, the Katana is perfectly balanced now, 20 stab and 40 cut on MW with 102 speed in exchange for 95 lenght is totally fine now.
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Just a correction: MW kata has.
17p
40c
102 speed rating
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Just a correction: MW kata has.
17p
40c
102 speed rating
Oh thx for correcting me.
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I didn't even notice the Katana's swing had been buffed till now. I'm kind of curious why they pushed that so high while leaving the thrust ridiculously low.
I'm pretty much giving up on the idea that the thrust damage will get raised due to the unexpectedly negative outcome of this poll. But I would still like a logical reason why to leave the Katana at 16 when the next lowest thrust damage a sword has is 21 (the Bastard Sword that costs less than half as much). For anybody that argues realism, that doesn't explain why all the other swords have significantly greater thrust damage. For those that argue game balance, I can only see game balance bringing the thrust up to the level of other swords. I understand it's the fastest sword, but it's also the shortest sword. I can't see a reason for not giving it the same usefulness other swords have against heavy armor and horses other than a biased hatred against the weapon.
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Use the thrust for feinting. It has great cut damage, it's fast and it's short. Giving it a good thrust would make it OP.
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Thrust is useful, especially since it's not usually that expected from a katana user so you can sneak in a hit every now and then. You just have to learn when to use it. And as Xant said, it's nice to have an extra feint direction.
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I voted no. Simply becuase 22p on a katana is batshit crazy. Maybe a +1 or +2 pierce but not +6. Seems like a troll topic to me.
And yes. Nodachi's turn for some love.
EDIT: Also, to both Dehitay and koyama, historical realism is a horrible thing to base game balance on.
Yeah fuck realistic facts bring light sabers into game !
500 speed 500 thrust damage ftw ...
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Yeah fuck realistic facts bring light sabers into game !
500 speed 500 thrust damage ftw ...
You misunderstand, man. Game balance, not historical or even fictional accuracy.
A lightsaber would be as good as any other weapon.