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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Veto on September 20, 2011, 03:19:16 pm
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simple fact of the matter is... there's no sacrifice for wearing armor, you put it on, you have 15 agility, and your 24 strength + armor carry you to victory on the wings of Armor-RPG angels. IMO people wearing plate should not be able to: jump, catchup to people running away from them, or have more negative wpf modifiers. its fine if they are tanks i suppose, but why should they be able to be a one man killing machine simply because armor and IF and strength combo. in a perfect CRPG world, strength and agility would only be requirements and not give you any stats such as speed dmg or hp. but if we're going down that road, make PD PS PT only requirements and NOT dmg modifiers, but then i guess people would bitch about having to play with any semblance of skill, or re think how they play.
and your probably like "shut the fuck up, your a crossbow asshole" well give me requirements for being xbow asshole, dont let any regular asshole become xbow asshole without spending points on it. but these are my ideas of somewhat more balance, and we all know they aren't going for balance when they envision the future of this mod, duh
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Here we go again...
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and here i was thinking it would be a rage thread about how plate is useless against everything except slash now
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I stand by my point that armor is WAY too cost effective for what it does.
Upkeep is worthlesspiss right now and armor can be acquired in a few hours of playing, they give shitload of bonuses for minimal penalties, extremely cost effective, there's no reason to use anything else other than heavy armor.
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Patricia. Multi Forum accounting is not allowed. Please change back to the proper account before posting on your other accounts post. Will seem less suspicious.
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I stand by my point that armor is WAY too cost effective for what it does.
Upkeep is worthlesspiss right now and armor can be acquired in a few hours of playing, they give shitload of bonuses for minimal penalties, extremely cost effective, there's no reason to use anything else other than heavy armor.
110k for around 2.5mil xp is not "worthless", which is what i've spent so far this generation
there's no way to maintain plate by normal play
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try spamming more, thatll show those plate wearers
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110k for around 2.5mil xp is not "worthless", which is what i've spent so far this generation
there's no way to maintain plate by normal play
Not necessarely talking about plate armor, you can just wear heavy armor with hourglass and have 60-70 body armor that you can maintain indefenitely, and it's even worse when it's triple heirloomed because LOLOLOL GLOVES GIB 16 BODY ARMOR howthefuckdoesthatmakesense.
Padded leather, 27 body armor, add triple heirloomed hourglass gauntlets and you get 43 body armor, how does that make any fucking sense.
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How the fuck does your face make sense?
Answer: It doesn't, but it work to get me off just the same.
And there we have it. Loomed Hourglass gauntlets turn me on, just about as much as your face.
Would it make sense to you now if I told you I was a sadist? If not, you lack braincells. If not, not, you're kinda creepy. All aswell I suppose.
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You rascals aren't getting to the heart of the matter ...I DEMAND COMPLETE RE DO OF CRPG, MAKE IT LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR! NOWWW!! Q.Q
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Veto - Down boy :shock:
Somehow I can feel what you mean. And I understand your havocingly righteous anger / Remorse.
But that just won't happen. We both know that. Make the best of what you have to play with instead. :rolleyes:
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What the fuck has this thread turned into?
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Your face - Utter disaster.
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So, we have threads that armor is useless, and we have threads that armor is op...
I think it is balanced then.
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110k for around 2.5mil xp is not "worthless", which is what i've spent so far this generation
there's no way to maintain plate by normal play
Oh also, according to my quick calculations, in the time you make 2.5 million xp you can also make 125k gold, so you still made more than you lost.
So, we have threads that armor is useless, and we have threads that armor is op...
I think it is balanced then.
Haeu, moral highground.
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So, we have threads that armor is useless, and we have threads that armor is op...
I think it is balanced then.
People who claim its useless arent abusing it right. Or are noobs plain and simple. Any jackass can make enough money for plate and do better than they did before they bought it by Atleast a few kills
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I think Ronrinesu has some obsession with faces. visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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When speaking of you Bjord, it's an obsession of asses. But take your pick =,D :twisted:
Just kidding. Anywho. You may be right. Slight intoxication. (Weak drinker here.) May have fuddled my face-mania indeed..
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So, we have threads that armor is useless, and we have threads that armor is op...
I think it is balanced then.
No, we have threads about how armor is useless against archery and then we have threads that armor is OP against melee.
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Xant - Your face is OP against melee.
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No, we have threads about how armor is useless against archery and then we have threads that armor is OP against melee.
Sounds mildly realistic then, just change any armour above transitional to be almost immune to range unless shot from very close and things would be perfect.
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Sounds mildly realistic then, just change any armour above transitional to be almost immune to range unless shot from very close and things would be perfect.
Derp. Xant - Down boy.
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Seriously, Patricia, it's getting old.
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Not necessarely talking about plate armor, you can just wear heavy armor with hourglass and have 60-70 body armor that you can maintain indefenitely, and it's even worse when it's triple heirloomed because LOLOLOL GLOVES GIB 16 BODY ARMOR howthefuckdoesthatmakesense.
Padded leather, 27 body armor, add triple heirloomed hourglass gauntlets and you get 43 body armor, how does that make any fucking sense.
my armour is at the top end of the scale and bodkins are making it worthless vs archery atm
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Seriously, Patricia, it's getting old.
Woah, what the fuck did I do, I get mistaken for Veto and now for Ronrinesu? Holy shit.
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my armour is at the top end of the scale and bodkins are making it worthless vs archery atm
Which is a bad joke then...because its freaking xpnsive....
Plate allrdy felt worthless some 2 months ago....good its going back to that..... *Really big sigh* :-(
Item balancers going wild again.
Lovely....
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Woah, what the fuck did I do, I get mistaken for Veto and now for Ronrinesu? Holy shit.
I need to pinpoint that noone would mistake you for me. You're not at a deranged level that far down. You're just annoying. That is all.
Good day =,D
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Oh also, according to my quick calculations, in the time you make 2.5 million xp you can also make 125k gold, so you still made more than you lost.
Haeu, moral highground.
care to share the calculations?
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Got shot for over half hp with ONE arrow, wearing Lordly Cuir Bouilli and Lordly Mail Gauntlets. That shit can't be right. OH, no speed bonus included, body shot.
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care to share the calculations?
It's very simple, you divide 2.5 million by 1000 to know how many ticks, x1 or x5 doesn't matter since you still get 50 gold per 1000 xp at x1 or x3 or x5.
So, that's 2500 ticks of x1, just do 2500*50 and you get 125,000 gold.
Then again this doesn't include retirement though, but even then the loss should still be relatively minimal if there's any depending on his generation.
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Veto, I left you a message on pg222 on the Chaos thread
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i didnt read your post, but i am replying, HOW COOL IS THAT
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It's very simple, you divide 2.5 million by 1000 to know how many ticks, x1 or x5 doesn't matter since you still get 50 gold per 1000 xp at x1 or x3 or x5.
So, that's 2500 ticks of x1, just do 2500*50 and you get 125,000 gold.
Then again this doesn't include retirement though, but even then the loss should still be relatively minimal if there's any depending on his generation.
Gold income is proportional to experience, but the value RandomDude is giving is net gold change which also depends on average multiplier. Currently,
average net gold change per tick = 50 gold * average multiplier - 0.0021 * equipment cost (buying price)
Previously, it was safe to assume an average multiplier of around 2x for most everyone. However, I have had several 100 game sets with an average multiplier greater than 3x following the introduction of the valor system, and I strongly doubt I am the only one.
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Woah, what the fuck did I do, I get mistaken for Veto and now for Ronrinesu? Holy shit.
I was talking about your armor hate threads that pop up every other month. You don't even realize that good armor is not really affordable, which is why everyone is running around in kuyaks. Meanwhile, you make unrealistic claims about armor effectivity, while not providing a single reason why armor should be as shit as you seem to want it to be. It's a fucking medieval game, armor is actually meant to work, you know. Maybe it's time to adapt to a situation you can't change? How about wearing some armor yourself?
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Gold income is proportional to experience, but the value RandomDude is giving is net gold change which also depends on average multiplier. Currently,
average net gold change per tick = 50 gold * average multiplier - 0.0021 * equipment cost (buying price)
Previously, it was safe to assume an average multiplier of around 2x for most everyone. However, I have had several 100 game sets with an average multiplier greater than 3x following the introduction of the valor system, and I strongly doubt I am the only one.
Yeah to make 125k i have to wear what exactly? Nothing? I have made money wearing plate but that was on a big x5 streak with fallen on siege doing the "Fallen train" choo choo.
Anyway my posts aren't about plate being expensive, it's about it being expensive but crap vs everything but slash. I can agree with bodkins having pierce but if they can 2-3 shot me from a range (and i can 2-3 shot them from melee) then shouldnt archer upkeep reflect that (by either increasing costs of bows and or bodkins)
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I was talking about your armor hate threads that pop up every other month. You don't even realize that good armor is not really affordable, which is why everyone is running around in kuyaks. Meanwhile, you make unrealistic claims about armor effectivity, while not providing a single reason why armor should be as shit as you seem to want it to be. It's a fucking medieval game, armor is actually meant to work, you know. Maybe it's time to adapt to a situation you can't change? How about wearing some armor yourself?
Uh what? I never made any armor hate thread, and this one isn't mine either.
Also, I'm saying Armor is cost effective because it gives you a huge survivability boost at an affordable price (On one of my strenght crutch character I've been using almost the heaviest armor forever and never had to farm money to wear it.) and because it doesn't give much of a speed penalty.
On my old character, I had 9 athletics, I was in my red tunic, goretooth started chasing me with his black armor, in his current 9 athletics build, and I absolutely couldn't shake him off, he was running as fast as me.
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Uh what? I never made any armor hate thread, and this one isn't mine either.
Also, I'm saying Armor is cost effective because it gives you a huge survivability boost at an affordable price (On one of my strenght crutch character I've been using almost the heaviest armor forever and never had to farm money to wear it.) and because it doesn't give much of a speed penalty.
On my old character, I had 9 athletics, I was in my red tunic, goretooth started chasing me with his black armor, in his current 9 athletics build, and I absolutely couldn't shake him off, he was running as fast as me.
Sounds like it's not your armor that's making you slow then. :twisted: