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Title: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on January 27, 2011, 10:43:32 am
As you guys may or not know, With Fire and Sword, Taleworlds latest project, is going to be coming out very very soon, probably sometime in spring.  With that, new multiplayers, new single player, and a whole new game will be available in the mount and blade style.  With that being said, there is also going to be tons of equipment and gear released with this new game ...

Now, knowing the taleworlds company, the chances of them using python script as well as similar files to edit and create their graphics is highly likely.  If you look on their website, they're alrady looking like they will be releasing some pretty intensive looking halberds and other weapons, this includes guns.  I am just wondering if there has been any thought about implementing some of this games gear into cRPG.

Im not sure if chadz has been trying to stay true to a certain time period of history for cRPG (because this mod has weapons, like guns, that were not in the medieval era) , but there are definately tons of gears and weapons in this new Fire and Sword that could be used and worked with in cRPG (considering it uses the same engine and system)

Just suggesting its worth looking at if you want some quick and easy graphics for more weapons and armors.  You can check out the screenshots at www.taleworlds.com for basic stuff, of course :P   

Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Ujin on January 27, 2011, 11:20:27 am
Tbh , i think anything above arqebuses and flintlocks would change the cRPG we know right now too much.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on January 27, 2011, 11:26:41 am
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Tbh , i think anything above arqebuses and flintlocks would change the cRPG we know right now too much.

I agree. Guns and the likes may be a little too insane, but there are definately new armors and melee weapons to be checked out in this upcoming game .
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Gristle on January 27, 2011, 12:16:59 pm
Flintlocks and more proper pirate gear, please.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: AvengerC47 on January 27, 2011, 12:27:43 pm
Firearms in With Fire And Sword are just like crossbows (longer range, slower reloding) so it's not changing that much

If this is better than Ogniem i Mieczem (same name [pl], same producers + CDProject, and that game was released 2 years ago + expansion months ago) it will be the best Single Player

but... multi without cRPG mod will be no good :(
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Belmont on January 27, 2011, 12:34:12 pm
I definitely would like to see all the new equipment from With Fire and Sword, especially guns. I wouldn't mind if they replace crossbows but keep the same stats.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Ramsay on January 27, 2011, 12:42:31 pm
Wiegraf_BRD why do you have the crest of city Szczecin (Poland) as your avatar? :D I live in Szczecin so I'm just curious? (oh did u know its a Royal Griffin and not an eagle :P)

as for guns... I went  prestige in MW2 like 5 times - no more rifles! lets leave it melee and macho!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Nogar on January 27, 2011, 12:47:23 pm
''The scale of Mount and Blade is impressive and, while it doesn't look like Fire and Sword will make any dramatic changes in the formula''
thank god!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: sami1337 on January 27, 2011, 01:21:49 pm
Firearms in With Fire And Sword are just like crossbows (longer range, slower reloding) so it's not changing that much

If this is better than Ogniem i Mieczem (same name [pl], same producers + CDProject, and that game was released 2 years ago + expansion months ago) it will be the best Single Player

but... multi without cRPG mod will be no good :(

I agree. Firearms in m&b only change much if you introduce semi auto weapons and repeaters. Slow reload shitty accuracy makes them worse than crossbows probably. Up side would be the bayonet on muskets.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Joxer on January 27, 2011, 02:15:07 pm
We should get a separate crpg for fire&sword. That would be awesome too.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: ManOfWar on January 27, 2011, 02:49:52 pm
Is there any huge difference between warband and fire and sword? Are city walls destructible? I dont give a crap about new items, I want new in game mechanics.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: 3ABP on January 27, 2011, 03:13:42 pm
Hate firearms (in Warband).
Pls no firearms in cRPG.

Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Ujin on January 27, 2011, 03:50:51 pm
We should get a separate crpg for fire&sword. That would be awesome too.
I can't disagree with you more .
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Dreakon_The_Destroyer on January 27, 2011, 05:05:50 pm
We should get a separate crpg for fire&sword. That would be awesome too.

yes lets get our already small crpg community to shrink even more. good idea...
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Joxer on January 27, 2011, 05:15:10 pm
Small wtf? More people play crpg than play native ffs.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Wiegraf_BRD on January 27, 2011, 06:32:02 pm
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Wiegraf_BRD why do you have the crest of city Szczecin (Poland) as your avatar? :D I live in Szczecin so I'm just curious? (oh did u know its a Royal Griffin and not an eagle :P)

Oh really?  I was just looking for coats of arms and crests online and came across this one in a google image search and thought it looked cool.  But now I know where it is from! thanks :D

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We should get a separate crpg for fire&sword. That would be awesome too.
It would be nice, but then we have to level even more characters XD.... and maybe somebody else can develope that instead of chadz.. im sure he already has so much to do and has so much planned for cRPG. 
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: XavierX on January 27, 2011, 10:26:22 pm
Add guns, like matchlocks, but make them dedicated weapons you have to put a lot of skill into. I know that runs contrary to what they were in real life, but we don't want black knights running around with guns. Sniper xbows are bad enough as-is. And they should only be accurate enough to where they are only useful for shooting into crowds.



Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Dreakon_The_Destroyer on January 27, 2011, 11:31:28 pm
Yeah small...what are there like 4 NA servers? (i dont count EU) compared to counterstrike or world of warcraft. i'd say small

Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Joxer on January 27, 2011, 11:54:20 pm
Add guns, like matchlocks, but make them dedicated weapons you have to put a lot of skill into. I know that runs contrary to what they were in real life, but we don't want black knights running around with guns. Sniper xbows are bad enough as-is. And they should only be accurate enough to where they are only useful for shooting into crowds.

I'd pay for any firearm even if it were completely useless in battle. Even if it would just blow up on your face everytime you shoot it and cost 500k I'd still buy it.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Welcome_To_Hell on January 28, 2011, 12:27:26 am
No guns please.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: taimic on January 28, 2011, 08:29:02 am
No guns please.

yeah, no guns pleas.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Engine on January 28, 2011, 08:17:46 pm
no guns
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Itheral on January 28, 2011, 08:56:54 pm
Throwing weapons atm basically ARE what guns would be like in this game, were they implemented. Can't realistically hit crap from mid-long range, and 1 shots most people at close range.. And throwing weapons shoot about 1 every 2 seconds.. Guns would be more along the lines of crossbow reload times. Probably even more

And frankly, if I die to ONE MORE JAVELIN TO MY HAND I may have to hurt someone. Getting shot and dieing would feel much more appropriate methinks!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Dreakon_The_Destroyer on January 28, 2011, 09:36:22 pm
no guns!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Pavel on February 02, 2011, 12:17:41 am
As you guys may or not know, With Fire and Sword, Taleworlds latest project, is going to be coming out very very soon, probably sometime in spring.  With that, new multiplayers, new single player, and a whole new game will be available in the mount and blade style.  With that being said, there is also going to be tons of equipment and gear released with this new game ...

Now, knowing the taleworlds company, the chances of them using python script as well as similar files to edit and create their graphics is highly likely.  If you look on their website, they're alrady looking like they will be releasing some pretty intensive looking halberds and other weapons, this includes guns.  I am just wondering if there has been any thought about implementing some of this games gear into cRPG.

Im not sure if chadz has been trying to stay true to a certain time period of history for cRPG (because this mod has weapons, like guns, that were not in the medieval era) , but there are definately tons of gears and weapons in this new Fire and Sword that could be used and worked with in cRPG (considering it uses the same engine and system)

Just suggesting its worth looking at if you want some quick and easy graphics for more weapons and armors.  You can check out the screenshots at www.taleworlds.com for basic stuff, of course :P
I'm russian and i have already played it. To tell you the truth all 2h\pole are very slow, shields are awful. The only good things are 1h\some armors and maybe pistols and muscets
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Freland on February 02, 2011, 09:42:11 am
I wonder if Taleworls allows chadz to use stuff from "With Fire And Sword". They have the copyright on that stuff and they probably want you to buy the new game rather than playing a warband mod,
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Welcome_To_Hell on February 02, 2011, 03:18:41 pm
If the game costs money people can't just take content out of it and distribute it in a mod for free.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Peasant_Woman on February 02, 2011, 03:36:12 pm
Guns like flintlocks would be great in crpg, more variety is always good (and they look damn cool if done right). Screw realism! We already have ninjas, deaths by xbow bolt to the finger, olympic gold medal archers and armoured rhinos!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 03, 2011, 02:38:39 pm
FOOLISH DUMBS! INCOLLENT! GODNESS GETTIN' MAD 'GAIN with these kids discussing.

first there will be no flintlocks or muskets in crpg because they belong into 16th century and not into middle ages here a picture of a flintlock marksman: visitors can't see pics , please register or login


 

the fire arms in middle ages were a lot more primitiv. they used handgonnes and harquebuses. they had lower accuracy, lower rate of fire and they were useless when its raining . the only 4 advantages of fire arms in the middle ages were: handgonne batallions were cheaper and faster to rectruic, the fire arms were easier and faster produced, they hadnt the great bullet drop on long range (direct shot) and they had more penetration power.

here handguns of the middle ages:
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from up to downwards: a handgonne, a handcannon and a harquebus

ammo used: leed bullets, stone bullets and mild iron bullets
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Reinhardt on February 03, 2011, 03:12:46 pm
yeah, no guns pleas.

no guns

No guns please.

no guns!

There are many logical arguments as to why they shouldn't be implemented. But screw that...

no guns!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Poetrydog on February 03, 2011, 06:52:47 pm
Is there any huge difference between warband and fire and sword? Are city walls destructible? I dont give a crap about new items, I want new in game mechanics.

This preview has some great info on it: http://pc.ign.com/articles/114/1145516p1.html
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Whitehead on February 05, 2011, 04:22:00 am
I say guns should be added, if you have ever played mount and musket battalion mod you will see that a flintlock takes a while to reload in battle when you need to get more shots off. even if you think that would be too much, you could even add a matchlock which takes even longer than a flintlock to prepare to fire. I do not think that this would change the gameplay very much other than hearing loud booms going off every so often. :D
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 05, 2011, 06:32:43 am
No more Renaissance gear please, we already have too much...if chadz wanted to make a separate WF&S cRPG, that might be cool though.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Jacko on February 05, 2011, 09:37:12 am
I don't see how this could blend with regular o'l cRPG. A separate WF&S-cRPG would be the way to go. More guns, just not in cRPG.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 05, 2011, 09:54:10 am
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if you have ever played mount and musket battalion mod you will see that a flintlock takes a while to reload

DIDNT F0CKING NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS?! THERE WILL BE NO MATCHLOCKS OR PISTOLS IN CRPG BECAUSE ITS SET IN THE MIDDLE AGS GOD DAMN IT!  :shock:
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: FICO on February 05, 2011, 10:13:04 am
DIDNT F0CKING NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS?! THERE WILL BE NO MATCHLOCKS OR PISTOLS IN CRPG BECAUSE ITS SET IN THE MIDDLE AGS GOD DAMN IT!  :shock:
ok than arquebuses :mrgreen:
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 06, 2011, 10:18:30 am
ARQUEBUSES NOT TO THEY BELONG TO THE EARLY 16th CENTURY!! AHHHHR!!  :evil: handguns men, they used primitiv handguns in middle ages men!  :rolleyes:

^^
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: FICO on February 06, 2011, 10:25:40 am
ARQUEBUSES NOT TO THEY BELONG TO THE EARLY 16th CENTURY!! AHHHHR!!  :evil: handguns men, they used primitiv handguns in middle ages men!  :rolleyes:

^^
XV. ct., and it appeared at the end of XIV. ct. in germany. and crpg uses arms & armours from IX. to XVI. ct.  :rolleyes:

city of šibenik, according to one document from mid. XV. ct. held 13 arquebuses for defending city (here were not included arquebuses of mercenaries and personal citizens') (the rest of it included, if anyone interested:
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Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 08, 2011, 10:17:17 am
QUIET PEASANT! ..crpg is set in middle ages i dont accept any renessaince or 17th century stuff!!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 08, 2011, 10:18:18 am
(hadguns/harquebuses) yes - (muskets/arquebuses) NOT
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: FICO on February 08, 2011, 01:21:38 pm
(hadguns/harquebuses) yes - (muskets/arquebuses) NOT
harquebuses = arquebuses
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 09, 2011, 10:31:16 pm
no i guess not LoL

harquebus is the medieval version deployd with a hook, the arquebus is a musket...well maybe heres a translation misstake i come from germany. try to google "hakenbüchse" and then "arquebuse" the first one is the medieval handgun i ment the second one is the renessaince musket u want in the game..
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: FICO on February 09, 2011, 11:13:13 pm
no i guess not LoL

harquebus is the medieval version deployd with a hook, the arquebus is a musket...well maybe heres a translation misstake i come from germany. try to google "hakenbüchse" and then "arquebuse" the first one is the medieval handgun i ment the second one is the renessaince musket u want in the game..
:) lost in translation
haken - hook + buechse - gun
it sounds like harquebuse. i think you ment handgun
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we have to ask some native english speaker (who also knows english  :twisted:) if there is difference between harquebus und arquebus or it's just a spelling version.
i am OK with slow-loading-no-firing-mechanism-little-hand-operated-cannon and early versions of arquebuse (early renaissance is somewhere still medieval) but not OK with arquebuse with, for example, "s" shaped firing "mechanism"
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Formless on February 10, 2011, 08:09:05 pm
Guns would not change Jack, simply make them comparable to crossbows in damage and reload time and problem solved.  People would still get to use guns but they would not change Crpg gameplay.   
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 11, 2011, 04:14:22 am
:) lost in translation
haken - hook + buechse - gun
it sounds like harquebuse. i think you ment handgun
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edit:
we have to ask some native english speaker (who also knows english  :twisted:) if there is difference between harquebus und arquebus or it's just a spelling version.
i am OK with slow-loading-no-firing-mechanism-little-hand-operated-cannon and early versions of arquebuse (early renaissance is somewhere still medieval) but not OK with arquebuse with, for example, "s" shaped firing "mechanism"
I believe in English these are just called Hand Cannons.  An Arquebus is this:
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Hand cannon pic for reference:
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Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: cmp on February 11, 2011, 04:15:24 am
No firearms.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on February 11, 2011, 12:20:47 pm
YES I WANT MEDIEVAL FIREARMS!
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: Kharn on May 25, 2011, 10:48:52 pm
Back on topic.  GAHAH

This is NOT a gun discussion. Guns will not happen ever per chadz.

Ask about stealing meshes for equipment from the new mount and blade release please.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: ArchonAlarion on May 26, 2011, 01:21:09 am
The basis for the exclusion of firearms seems to be pop culture assumptions about medieval warfare.

Firearms were a part of medieval warfare. We already have the armor and weapons of the era when firearms were used. Also, there  is an unused wpf slot for firearms already coded in the game.

The arguments used for the exclusion of firearms can thus be applied to ANY item type, making it a purely arbitrary and nonsensical.

Plate armor should be more protective than it is now (against swords and other weapons which could rarely penetrate it), but firearms are of course the perfect counter to plated soldiers. Firearms are not as cost effective against fast, lightly armed soldiers; here, bows will be more effective due to their range and firing rate.

The more knights the enemy brings, the more guns you bring. Reality has its own balance, but this is constantly forgotten by the anti-realism league.
Title: Re: With Fire And Sword is coming. New cRPG equipment?
Post by: MrShovelFace on May 26, 2011, 02:51:32 am
taking content from a separate game without requiring the purchase of it is a no-no in the magical world of copywrites

even morrowblivion got in trouble when they required the purchase of both items



taleworlds, being a smaller company, might allow this due to the general disappointment in WF&S but I wouldnt risk it





and not the firearms. Many of the melee weapons were cool