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Title: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 04, 2011, 11:55:40 am
I have a small, wireless Microsoft one.  I think it was in the $20 range (aka, obviously shit).  My big complaints are that it is too small and the scroll wheel is tiny.  Really, the whole thing just doesn't accommodate my gigantic hands.

Anyways, what mouse to you guys recommend for ground spinning, spear poking action?  I can't get my rape on without a serious risk of punching a hole in my wall due to lack of resistance.

You'd be amazed at how much ~1/4 lb can do to a man's strong arm.  Muscles be flexin', yo.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Christo on September 04, 2011, 11:58:59 am
I use a simple Logitech RX 250...
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Old like hell(5 years old), but it does the job. No fancy DPi settings or those stuff though.

Two buttons, one wheel/middle mouse button. I don't need anything else.
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Post by: ABCF on September 04, 2011, 12:02:56 pm
That looks and sounds awful.  I need a mouse with some ~gusto~.  I gotta be able to back and forward while web browsing without clicking the arrows.  I need to be able to program my mouse wheel to be able to not only scroll windows in Chrome but also adjust my volume with little to no effort.

These are like, musts in Computer Mice (I looked up the actual plural form of Computer Mouse on WIKIPEDIA, FYI).  If it's not fancy then you're just a stone's throw away from the one button Mac mouse with a track ball.  This is 2010, we have 3D graphics and High Definition video on streaming, your computer mouse should compliment these modern day advancements.

Scrub!
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Cheap_Shot on September 04, 2011, 12:04:10 pm
He doesn't fit in his cage anymore, and I'm too afraid to ask him to calculate things for me.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Christo on September 04, 2011, 12:04:52 pm
Meh, it's funny how technology takes over people slowly.

I'm a scrub for not having the top notch gear in everything. Nice.   :lol:
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tzar on September 04, 2011, 12:27:25 pm
 :arrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e76OLboDYvI

Buy this and you will never have to get a new mouse again.

Been using it for some time now it kicks ass  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: San on September 04, 2011, 05:24:17 pm
My old mouse broke and is unusable for this game (can't hold right click)

So now I'm using some tiny random mouse I found.

I have to hold it with the 3 top fingers and my thumb like a claw.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: karasu on September 04, 2011, 05:27:15 pm
MX518 since it's release, which means, 6 years of daily usage, if not mistaken. Had to fix a broken part inside from the mouse 1 button due to the massive usage a few days ago.

Still kicks ass.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Prpavi on September 04, 2011, 05:28:57 pm
Razer Deathadder
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Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on September 04, 2011, 05:29:03 pm
MX518 since it's release, which means, 6 years of daily usage, if not mistaken. Had to fix a broken part inside from the mouse 1 button due to the massive usage a few days ago.

Still kicks ass.

Goddam the painting makes it look like there are huge bumps in it :S
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: karasu on September 04, 2011, 05:38:48 pm
Goddam the painting makes it look like there are huge bumps in it :S

That's the objective of the painting, all mind fuck'ish  :rolleyes:

Who cares anyway, my hand covers it all the time.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Cepeshi on September 04, 2011, 05:40:15 pm
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trust gm-4200, sadly i had to switch to some laser shit now, but getting this one again as soon as shops open on monday
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: cmp on September 04, 2011, 05:42:58 pm
MX518, got 2 spare ones just in case.
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Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on September 04, 2011, 05:48:23 pm
Guess I should post mine too :3

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M500

Adjustble weights, Adjustable PDi, adjustable mouse wheel spiny thingy (but keep it on Locked, or it will roll around everywhere :/)
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2011, 05:49:56 pm
MX518, got 2 spare ones just in case.

MX518 here as well. And nice, 2 spare ones. NO CHANCES
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Dan lol on September 04, 2011, 05:52:59 pm
mx518. I had some stupid steelseries that I broke within a year, it was a nice mouse but too fucking expensive for something that was pretty much the same as the 518
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Kafein on September 04, 2011, 06:01:48 pm
Revoltec fightmouse. I like the thin cable, it's shape and it's light weight. It has 4 adjustable dpi settings, 3 sets of 2 macros, a side-scrolling wheel and it glides well on my mousepad.

But it gets dirty super fast and the wheel lacks a little bit of grip.

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Elio on September 04, 2011, 06:41:17 pm
My old mouse broke and is unusable for this game (can't hold right click)
If you are a little handyman, you should try WD-40 (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1793115), I saved my mouse one year ago, and my right-click works fine now.

My mouse : Razer DeathAdder (v1 1800 dpi)

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 (http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8483/razerdeathadder3ginfrar.jpg)

The design is the same as Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer

I removed "jacky" LED btw.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Ginosaji on September 04, 2011, 06:42:30 pm
I use a corded Dell OEM Mouse.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Belhade on September 04, 2011, 06:44:06 pm
Logitech G5. When you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes.

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I started out with the original red/gray version, but wore that out in a few years of excessive BF2 play. then replaced it with the blue one. Best mouse I've ever seen.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Paul on September 04, 2011, 07:04:13 pm
MX510
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 04, 2011, 07:08:50 pm
I use a ten/fourteen dollar laser mouse from microsoft. It has a scrollwheel that can also click left or right (acting as two additional buttons) and in addition to the two normal left and right click buttons, has two more side buttons.

It is standard, it is cheap, it reacts quick enough for a normal human being according to the specs, it is indestructable, and it is large for my large hands...

It works.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Turkhammer on September 04, 2011, 07:09:20 pm
Logitec G9x.  Adjustable weights (surprisingly useful), 5 buttons, sensitivity adjustment on the fly.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: SeQuel on September 04, 2011, 07:15:00 pm
Razer Deathadder 3500dpi
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Post by: Ereb on September 04, 2011, 07:17:05 pm
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Post by: Serth on September 04, 2011, 07:19:00 pm
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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2011, 07:19:25 pm
Logitech G5. When you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes.

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I started out with the original red/gray version, but wore that out in a few years of excessive BF2 play. then replaced it with the blue one. Best mouse I've ever seen.
My first proper mouse, so shitty. This was when the laser sensor was just introduced and everyone was jizzing over "OMG SO HIGH DPI!!11".. too bad that if you don't use a super high sensitivity, you're fucked as the G5 will go nuts from fast mouse movements.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Laufknoten on September 04, 2011, 07:26:32 pm
This one:
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Nothing special. It's quite small, wireless and it has all I need. I don't need a "pro-mouse" with weigths and fancy stuff...
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: CoWorm on September 04, 2011, 07:30:57 pm
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Look at it, all nice and pretty. The light even changes between 5 different lovely colors by the push of a button, a color for every mood! And with a name like EDGE 3200 you know it has to be a proper instrument of e-murder.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Largg on September 04, 2011, 07:34:19 pm
Just recently retired my trusty Logitech G5 after 6 years of excessive usage. Picked mx518 for it's massive amount of positive comments. Can't say I'm disappointed, however I liked the G5 more. The textured surface, sidetilted wheel, braided cord and a screen showing the current DPI on mouse were small things that I miss. Apparently mx518 can handle fast strokes better but it doesn't really matter for me since I'm super slow with my movements  :D
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Christo on September 04, 2011, 07:37:17 pm
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Look at it, all nice and pretty. The light even changes between 5 different lovely colors by the push of a button, a color for every mood! And with a name like EDGE 3200 you know it has to be a proper instrument of e-murder.

Wow I really like that.

Badass.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Mushy on September 04, 2011, 07:41:00 pm
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Its so awsome :D And it lights up blue
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Post by: karasu on September 04, 2011, 07:42:56 pm
MX518 FU**ING MASTER RACE


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Post by: ThePoopy on September 04, 2011, 07:54:43 pm
MX518 FU**ING MASTER RACE


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whyustealmymouse?
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Dach on September 04, 2011, 08:50:21 pm
MX revolution

Got so much button on that thing, I nearly don't need a keyboard...  :P

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Post by: Babelfish on September 04, 2011, 09:00:34 pm
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Best mouse there is.
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Post by: Xant on September 04, 2011, 09:08:10 pm
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Best mouse there is.

Yup... too bad mine broke.
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Post by: Dezilagel on September 04, 2011, 10:14:13 pm
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It was cheap lol.

Still, damn precise and gets the job done.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: RandomDude on September 05, 2011, 03:54:11 am
i got a gaming mouse from amazon for 20 quid

i hate wireless mice and usually the ones with higher dpi make you mess up manual blocks less
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Post by: El_Infante on September 05, 2011, 04:16:32 am
Here is my mouse, 2000 dpi, comfortable. A machine of murdering.

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: jspook on September 05, 2011, 05:11:02 am
Lotta people using the same mouse in here!

I use something totally different.  and both of them are pretty big, which is good for me because I have large hands.  I find most of the mice linked on this thread uncomfortable, as I have to squish my hands up to use them.
I like these mice because they rest in the palm of my hand, and I can use all of my fingers effectively and comfortably.

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 06:12:54 am
Only "gaming" mouse I've found that I like so far.

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However I only bought this one because my old:
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Finally died after like a full decade of hardcore use.  May it R.I.P.  If I could find another one of these ol' schoolers I'd use it again in a heartbeat.
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Post by: gazda on September 05, 2011, 07:07:38 am
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over 10k dpi, big as my head
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 07:20:00 am
I love "dpi". Total marketing tool, nothing else. As long as your mouse has 400dpi you're good. After that it's just a higher sensitivity, and y'know, you can adjust that anyhow..

It's genius though. They can re-sell the same mouse over and over, only adding "5k DPI!!!11+1+1" every time and a new package.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 07:37:26 am
I love "dpi". Total marketing tool, nothing else. As long as your mouse has 400dpi you're good. After that it's just a higher sensitivity, and y'know, you can adjust that anyhow..

It's genius though. They can re-sell the same mouse over and over, only adding "5k DPI!!!11+1+1" every time and a new package.

Not quite.  Games have a limited "max" sensitivity.  So does your puter's OS sensitivity controls.  Higher DPI will get your mouse even faster.  My games and OS are both maxed all the time and I have a huge difference between setting it to 400 dpi or 4th setting which is 2400 dpi.  So much so that I can do 360 by only moving my mouse about a 1/16th of an inch.

More your 1600DPI mouse 1" and in game, your aim shifts 45 degrees.
More your 800DPI mouse 1" and in game, your aim shifts turns 15 degrees.

High DPI is good for very quick gross movements like running around and quick close range combat in FPS. You can turn 360degrees with a very small mouse movement. High DPI wins with gross movement because it takes time to move a mouse. However, low DPI is good for fine movements like snipering. A smaller dpi mouse movement makes a 30degree change. Easier to make the 2-3degree adjustment for that headshot.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 08:36:29 am
I don't know what's up with your computer, but I can adjust my sensitivity to anything I like without ever touching DPI. From having to move my mouse 3 meters to turn around 180 or to moving it 1 inch and turning twenty 360s.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 08:53:52 am
I don't know what's up with your computer, but I can adjust my sensitivity to anything I like without ever touching DPI. From having to move my mouse 3 meters to turn around 180 or to moving it 1 inch and turning twenty 360s.

I'd like to see the custom hex editing you did to achieve this.  Windows has a max sensitivity in it's settings.  So does every game.  These are both independant of DPI, which means a higher DPI will always be faster on the spin than a lower DPI with the same game/OS settings.  So show me the custom coding you did to alter your OS, I am highly curious and intrigued as to your coding skills.

DPI is a physical measurement of how sensitive your optical/laser/infrared mouse is. Sensitivity is a software calculation after the signal's been picked up.

Also the windows mouse sensitivity setting is sloppy and terrible and really shouldn't be raised as it causes you to "skip" pixels in it's tracking in order to fake a faster speed.  If you don't mind this skip then fine (I use it for gaming unless I'm sniping in which case I turn it back down before hand, but I hate sniper my old friends that don't like to get their hand dirty so that's rare.  Shotgun/pistol/knife ninjas for life.)

http://www.nextlevelgamer.com/tweaks/dont-modify-your-windows-sensitivity

http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 08:59:21 am
Almost all FPS games of any worth allow you to enter a sensitivity with your keyboard. I.e, 0.0001 or 100. Sure, there's max and lowest sensitivity, but both are such huge extremes that you will DEFINITELY find your preferred sensitivity before you hit the limits.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Rumblood on September 05, 2011, 09:07:33 am
Cyborg Rat 5. You can adjust the size to fit your hand! Love it btw  :wink:

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 09:19:32 am
Almost all FPS games of any worth allow you to enter a sensitivity with your keyboard. I.e, 0.0001 or 100. Sure, there's max and lowest sensitivity, but both are such huge extremes that you will DEFINITELY find your preferred sensitivity before you hit the limits.

I didn't, and quite a few gamers didn't without increased DPI allowing more precise and smooth movements by avoiding the issues outlined in the articles above.
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Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 09:21:16 am
Well if you say so..
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Post by: ABCF on September 05, 2011, 09:21:43 am
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Hell yeah, this shit is fucking beautiful.  Look at the simplicity!  Large buttons that aren't obtrusive and a scroll wheel that is perfect for the of your middle finger.  It's wired so you don't have to use batteries which is a huge plus in design.

Fuck, this is almost the perfect mouse.  Half of you are posting these ridiculous mouses with some many edges and buttons that it's infuriating.  Do you guys think this those are actually cool?  Oh god, and don't even get me started on if someone tries to play some songs off of your iTunes library. 

"Okay, welcome to the Starship Enterprise, to pick a song you're going to need to touch this wonky this thing over here.  Yeah, I know it, just do it because that's how you fly my spaceship.  Fuck you, that's a space ship.  Get out."
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Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 09:25:25 am
Well if you say so..

Seriously, read the articles.  I assumed this stuff has been common knowledge in gaming for many years but I guess I should know better about what they say about assuming.

Hell yeah, this shit is fucking beautiful.  Look at the simplicity!  Large buttons that aren't obtrusive and a scroll wheel that is perfect for the of your middle finger.  It's wired so you don't have to use batteries which is a huge plus in design.

Indeed.  I miss my ol' intellimouse :(
The side buttons changed my world when I realized I could bind crouch to the thumb and voice chat to my pinky.  Basic, utilitarian, beautiful.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 05, 2011, 09:30:14 am
Indeed.  I miss my ol' intellimouse :(
The side buttons changed my world when I realized I could bind crouch to the thumb and voice chat to my pinky.  Basic, utilitarian, beautiful.
The only real issue, having had a Microsoft mouse with that red plastic on the back, is the giant red light that gets put out behind the mouse.  Whether or not my hand is there, that light is coming through.  Shameful.

The rest is very nice.
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Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 09:42:23 am
Seriously, read the articles.  I assumed this stuff has been common knowledge in gaming for many years but I guess I should know better about what they say about assuming.

You been pro-level in any FPS games? Any games? Apparently not... the articles are just saying that moving your windows sensitivity slider is evil. What about it?
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Post by: bagge on September 05, 2011, 10:25:08 am
I use

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Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 10:41:56 am
You been pro-level in any FPS games? Any games? Apparently not... the articles are just saying that moving your windows sensitivity slider is evil. What about it?

No man, you obviously didn't read the 2nd article at all.  It explains the nature of your software mouse acceleration vs mouse dpi settings in detail.  Anyways, obviously you can't be arsed to read anything more than a few lines so I give up.  Short answer is you're just wrong in your assertion about DPI being:
I love "dpi". Total marketing tool, nothing else. As long as your mouse has 400dpi you're good. After that it's just a higher sensitivity, and y'know, you can adjust that anyhow..

It's genius though. They can re-sell the same mouse over and over, only adding "5k DPI!!!11+1+1" every time and a new package.

Since it's actually increased precision, smoothness as well unlike traditional software acceleration which sacrifices both of those aspects in order to move "faster".

*As for Pro-level if you mean competed for monetary rewards in sanctioned tournaments then yes actually, in my teenage years I spent quite a bit of time going to a few different tournaments up here at the various arena's/domes we have.  This was long before any CPL or CGA etc though.  It was also for games such as q2:ra, TF (the original), Tribes, UT, etc.  Won some cash at a few along with puter parts.  It's how I got my stacked voodoo3 cards back in the day.  Nowadays?  Fuck no, I'm old as shit in gamer terms and my reaction/reflexes have already gone past their prime compared to the teenagers of today.  Couldn't compete at that speed even if I wanted to nowadays.*
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Post by: Siiem on September 05, 2011, 10:44:05 am
So the jist of those articles are "ZOMG, get higher DPI so you can lower your ingame setting so they are exactly the same as when you had lower dpi but higher ingame settings"
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Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 10:51:18 am
So the jist of those articles are "ZOMG, get higher DPI so you can lower your ingame setting so they are exactly the same as when you had lower dpi but higher ingame settings"

No.   :rolleyes:
Try reading.  And comprehending what you read.  It's hard I know, but you can do it.
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Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 10:52:22 am
No.   :rolleyes:
Try reading.  And comprehending what you read.  It's hard I know, but you can do it.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/does-dpi-matter-in-gaming-mice-one-mouse-maker-says-no.ars

Hmmm Steelseries the company that makes mice vs random article writers...

One of the most used mice among FPS pros is IM 3.0... with staggering 400 dpi.
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Post by: bredeus on September 05, 2011, 10:57:27 am
Since i am left hander I am using really nice Logitech product who is first on market product for 10 percent of population.
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Post by: Siiem on September 05, 2011, 10:58:43 am
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/does-dpi-matter-in-gaming-mice-one-mouse-maker-says-no.ars

Hmmm Steelseries the company that makes mice vs random article writers...

One of the most used mice among FPS pros is IM 3.0... with staggering 400 dpi.

Hmm I always trust random article writers! Fuck people who actually work with said thing.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 11:24:02 am
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/does-dpi-matter-in-gaming-mice-one-mouse-maker-says-no.ars

Hmmm Steelseries the company that makes mice vs random article writers...

One of the most used mice among FPS pros is IM 3.0... with staggering 400 dpi.

You mean an article written by a guy in the industry of trying to make money by getting you to buy his product instead of someone elses?  Yeah, credible.  Hell I'm sure I can pull up an article by another brand which completely contradicts this guy in order to sell THEIR product.  I'll take the testing and conclusions put to article by actual gamers who give a shit that their "higher sensitivity" in windows/games makes your mouse curser SKIP pixels and get all jaggy instead of smooth.  Something you can test for yourself.  The fact that this dude is spouting something which is completely false and easily proven to be false by anyone with a multi-dpi mouse and MS paint for instance is pretty telling actually.

The reason they use it is personal preference.  Also even though it has a low DPI, the polling rate on the IM 3.0 (IM series in general tbh) is insane.

"

IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0

Key Features

Optical Tracking Performance

Legendary accuracy delivered from an optical engine that produces 9000 Frames per Second, Maximum Speed of 54+ Inches per Second, and Maximum Acceleration of 25Gs combined with Microsoft's Intelligent Tracking System with a centered optical port. "

That means it's taking a snapshot of it's location on the mousepad 9000 times per second and has an amazing speed threshold for snap shots.

However the 3 most popular gaming mice that the pro's use are, in no particular order:
IM 3.0
MX518
DeathAdder

It comes down mostly to comfort and personal preference between hi-sensitivity players vs low-sensitivity players.  That and whatever their sponsors provide, which for the majority of them is from SteelSeries or Razor.

400 DPI is great for a lo-sens player, most hi-sens gamers though usually hover between 1800 and 3500.  I still encourage you to do the MS paint test if you still think that DPI has nothing to do with precision and tracking smoothness vs just cranking up the OS/ settings.
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Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 11:30:45 am
Yeah it's crazy how someone from Steelseries with their 3200 CPI optical mouse and 5001 CPI laser mouse is totally downplaying the importance of CPI. Totes just trying to get people to buy their product.
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Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 11:50:31 am
Yeah it's crazy how someone from Steelseries with their 3200 CPI optical mouse and 5001 CPI laser mouse is totally downplaying the importance of CPI. Totes just trying to get people to buy their product.

You're missing the point of it.  You're looking at a comment from a SALESMAN basically about the importance of DPI or lack thereof in gaming.  I can find another article from a different SALESMAN that refutes it.  I can also, if I look hard enough, probably find an article from yet another SALESMAN that will state that controllers are the best thing for gaming.

What that particular salesman is saying however is completely wrong which is easily proven over and over again in article after article and test after test.  Hell just the damn definition of what DPI is/does refutes is (even if it should be PPI).

"Taking Advantage of High-Definition Mouse Movement



Advanced Technology Group (ATG)
 
April 2006
 
Introduction


A standard computer mouse returns data at 400 dots per inch (DPI), whereas a high-definition mouse generates data at 800 DPI or greater. This makes input from a high-definition mouse much more precise than that from a standard mouse. However, high-definition data cannot be obtained through the standard WM_MOUSEMOVE messages. In general, games will benefit from high-definition mouse devices but games that obtain mouse data using just WM_MOUSEMOVE won't be able to access the full, un-filtered resolution of the mouse."

I'm not saying that you have to use any specific DPI, or mouse brand/type/model or anything.  I'm simply telling you that by the very technical definition and application of DPI you're just wrong in your statement about what it is, does and is used for.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 11:52:38 am
Yes, a salesman is making a comment about the importance of "DPI" or lack thereof in gaming. What's the "DPI" of this salesman's products? 3200 and 5001. Doesn't make sense.

It's real impressive when what you quote can't even get the terms right. It's CPI, not DPI. It's ok to say DPI when discussing it on the forums and shit, but if you're trying to be all scientificial and shizzle you should get the terms right.
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Post by: Erasmas on September 05, 2011, 11:58:46 am
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sorry wrong place
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 12:01:35 pm
It's CPI, not DPI. It's ok to say DPI when discussing it on the forums and shit, but if you're trying to be all scientificial and shizzle you should get the terms right.

No man.   :rolleyes:
If we were really being accurate it would be PPI for pixels per inch.

Also your article also uses the standard "DPI" term.  Speaking of your article, didn't take long at all to find the counter-article to it at the bottom of the page actually:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/03/razer-fires-back-why-dpi-in-a-gaming-mouse-does-matter.ars

Gee, what did I tell you, some other salesman for some other company ranting about why he disagrees.

Again, you're arguing nothing at this point because the point was made that you were wrong, and you have as of yet to disprove that.

*A dark haired fellow in black lamellar strolls into the thread with a serious look upon his face.  He confidently raises his finger and opens his mouth to speak when he overhears the familliar sounds of bickering about nothing permeating the air.  Upon hearing said argument over nothing he lowers his arm and turns to leave, quietly muttering:
.

sorry wrong place
"
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2011, 12:07:09 pm
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?10213-DPI-vs-CPI-The-real-deal

Except Razerguy doesn't make any other "counter-arguments" except for "it is so." This is the only thing he justifies it by:
"I think gamers care about DPI and I do think the term makes sense for today’s mice. We pioneered this industry back in 1999 when we came out with the first gaming mouse offering 2000 DPI—at that time gamers were told by our competitors that 800 DPI was enough," Krakoff told Ars. "Now people are saying 1600 DPI is enough, just like there were “purists” who believed in silent movies, black and white TV or perhaps film rather than digital cameras. By the way, I could discuss CD vs. vinyl for days."

Whereas the Steelseries guy actually backs up why he thinks so.

And no, the point was made that you are wrong, you've yet to disprove that.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 05, 2011, 12:21:19 pm
And no, the point was made that you are wrong, you've yet to disprove that.

Dude.  Definition of DPI.  What it means your mouse is doing.  Basic fucking tests.
You


are



wrong.


DPI is not just extra "sensitivity" like you claimed or just a bunch of hoohah that was cooked up by marketing.  It is quite literally how fucking precise your mouse is.  Show me anything that says DPI/CPI/PPI isn't the measurement used for how many "dots" *counts* (pixels/pulses) per inch your mouse is taking a reading of.  Hell your dude's best argument consists of:
"but where is the real value in that?" Rom asked. "That doesn't make you more precise or accurate; I would argue that it does exactly the opposite. A higher DPI in a mouse doesn't offer a lot of value, and it is not a benchmark for how precise or awesome the mouse is. It's simply a measure of sensitivity."

It's just his NON GAMER opinion about the value of increased speed from his misinforming idea of PPI (we're sticking with that from now on, going old school).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_dpi#Mouse_speed
"Mouse speed
 
The computer industry often measures mouse sensitivity in terms of counts per inch (CPI), commonly expressed incorrectly as dots per inch (DPI) – the number of steps the mouse will report when it moves one inch. In early mice, this specification was called pulses per inch (ppi).[15] If the default mouse-tracking condition involves moving the cursor by one screen-pixel or dot on-screen per reported step, then the CPI does equate to DPI: dots of cursor motion per inch of mouse motion. The CPI or DPI as reported by manufacturers depends on how they make the mouse; the higher the CPI, the faster the cursor moves with mouse movement. However, software can adjust the mouse sensitivity, making the cursor move faster or slower than its CPI. Current software can change the speed of the cursor dynamically, taking into account the mouse's absolute speed and the movement from the last stop-point. In most software[specify] this setting is named "speed", referring to "cursor precision". However, some software[specify] names this setting "acceleration", but this term is in fact incorrect. The mouse acceleration, in the majority of mouse software, refers to the setting allowing the user to modify the cursor acceleration: the change in speed of the cursor over time while the mouse movement is constant.
 
For simple software, when the mouse starts to move, the software will count the number of "counts" received from the mouse and will move the cursor across the screen by that number of pixels (or multiplied by a rate factor, typically less than 1). The cursor will move slowly on the screen, having a good precision. When the movement of the mouse passes the value set for "threshold", the software will start to move the cursor more quickly, with a greater rate factor. Usually, the user can set the value of the second rate factor by changing the "acceleration" setting.
 
Operating systems sometimes apply acceleration, referred to as "ballistics", to the motion reported by the mouse. For example, versions of Windows prior to Windows XP doubled reported values above a configurable threshold, and then optionally doubled them again above a second configurable threshold. These doublings applied separately in the X and Y directions, resulting in very nonlinear response.[38]"

Simply put, with a higher information rate the tracking/movement of your cursor will be smoother and more precise/accurate to the movement of the mouse itself without any skipped or lost pixels.

That's just how it is.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Siiem on September 06, 2011, 09:32:48 pm
"Watching Gorath in his downward spiral"

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 06, 2011, 09:38:56 pm
I like my mouse.
My mouse is blue and black with many buttons.
I also like Gus.
Gus is a cool guy.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: H4rdn3ssKill3r on September 06, 2011, 10:01:41 pm
"Watching Gorath in his downward spiral"

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tennenoth on September 07, 2011, 05:24:48 am
Since i am left hander I am using really nice Logitech product who is first on market product for 10 percent of population.
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The older version of this mouse is what I use. It came with a keyboard that has "Wave" on it, so I assume it's a "logitec Wave". I don't care for the DPI of the mouse, just as long as it moves where I want it to and when I want it to. I'm not at all fussy with that stuff, I just prefer to have a mouse that doesn't clunk around and also wires are a right pain in the arse despite the constant need to change the batteries! :)
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Toffi on September 07, 2011, 11:56:09 am
Is nobody except me using the Logitech MX 518?

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Also, this is my simple Keyboard:

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okay as it goes on my headset Sennheiser PC 161, very comfortable:

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Yeah this is Toffi's gear :D

P.S. still waiting for BF3!!!
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 08, 2011, 09:13:58 am
"Watching Gorath in his downward spiral"

Watching you and Xant assfuck each other while riding the failboat.

Perhaps someday you'll join the rest of us in reality and understanding of the english language.  Until that day may you enjoy your theme music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InojEpbpKY8
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 08, 2011, 11:21:52 am
Is nobody except me using the Logitech MX 518?

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Also, this is my simple Keyboard:

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okay as it goes on my headset Sennheiser PC 161, very comfortable:

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Yeah this is Toffi's gear :D

P.S. still waiting for BF3!!!
I've decided that you make purchases on the fact that if a woman ever sees the items then they will instinctively put more clothes on.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Ginosaji on September 08, 2011, 11:34:47 am
Is nobody except me using the Logitech MX 518?

CMP on the first page was only the first to mention it ;)

I've decided that you make purchases on the fact that if a woman ever sees the items then they will instinctively put more clothes on.

Most women do that if they see the uber-gamer-gear some people have posted in that thread.
In fact IT components are something that can't do any good when you're trying to impress a woman (unless it's some very rare and special kind of woman).
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Grey on September 08, 2011, 11:39:16 am
That looks and sounds awful.  I need a mouse with some ~gusto~.  I gotta be able to back and forward while web browsing without clicking the arrows.  I need to be able to program my mouse wheel to be able to not only scroll windows in Chrome but also adjust my volume with little to no effort.

These are like, musts in Computer Mice (I looked up the actual plural form of Computer Mouse on WIKIPEDIA, FYI).  If it's not fancy then you're just a stone's throw away from the one button Mac mouse with a track ball.  This is 2010, we have 3D graphics and High Definition video on streaming, your computer mouse should compliment these modern day advancements.

Scrub!


This is.....2011....SCRUB



I use Logitech 7 Euro mouse, Fujitsu Siemens Keyboard, both were found on the Arc with the animals, and I STILL rape kiddies with their "gaming mice". I play games with my mouse, therefor its a gaming mouse, end of.


The Poor Workman, he blames his tools.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 08, 2011, 11:58:43 am
Most women do that if they see the uber-gamer-gear some people have posted in that thread.
In fact IT components are something that can't do any good when you're trying to impress a woman (unless it's some very rare and special kind of woman).
No, you can totally get away with that stuff.

"What's that?"

"A server box.  I run a Minecraft server that my friends and I play on.  It's sort of expensive but it allows us all to stay in touch."

"Oh, that's cool."

You you should never have to explain how to use your mouse.

"That button is a shortcut for my anime folder!  WENCH, MOVE."

This is.....2011....SCRUB
I round down.  *Fist pump*
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Ginosaji on September 08, 2011, 12:12:52 pm
No, you can totally get away with that stuff.

"What's that?"

"A server box.  I run a Minecraft server that my friends and I play on.  It's sort of expensive but it allows us all to stay in touch."

"Oh, that's cool."

I wrote "women", not "easily impressed girls".

A much more realistic scenario:

"What's that?"

"A server box.  I run a Minecraft server that my friends and I play on.  It's sort of expensive but it allows us all to stay in touch."

"Oooo-k?" *backs off*


To write something on topic too:

At work I use a Cherry m300 mouse.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 08, 2011, 10:55:02 pm
Lol, it really just sounds like bad social skills at that point.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:02:02 pm
I sense ABCF getting muted again soon  :lol: He has not changed a bit.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 08, 2011, 11:06:42 pm
I sense ABCF getting muted again soon  :lol: He has not changed a bit.
For not submitting to the idea that you can play games and have sex with women who are not repulsed at your existence?  However, my point is that a super complicated mouse is pointless, simplicity is key.  There are things you can get away with and things you can't, a complex mouse and a computer case that has LED alien heads are are not some of them.

I'm looking for a new mouse, anyways, and a lot of these guys and gals have submitted some pretty atrocious stuff.  The Razer or whatever, ugly and obviously designed for kids who wear chain-linked jeans.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 08, 2011, 11:11:56 pm
I was referring to your idea that this was 2010 and that some computer hardware will make some women want to instinctively put clothes on... which is interesting...
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Toffi on September 08, 2011, 11:15:51 pm
lol it's
A not supposed to impress any women she will more go like  :rolleyes:
B its no uber-gear I am using

Also, I didn't read the posts, was just looking at the pictures, so I posted some big ones myself :D
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: ABCF on September 08, 2011, 11:22:02 pm
I was referring to your idea that this was 2010 and that some computer hardware will make some women want to instinctively put clothes on... which is interesting...
Watching HGTV makes you a snob, that's just who I am.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Belhade on September 09, 2011, 06:29:20 am
lol it's
A not supposed to impress any women she will more go like  :rolleyes:

The only time my wife did that to me was when the mic on my headset died and I had to tape a boom mic to the headset boom.

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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Ginosaji on September 09, 2011, 07:38:48 am
I'm looking for a new mouse, anyways, and a lot of these guys and gals have submitted some pretty atrocious stuff.  The Razer or whatever, ugly and obviously designed for kids who wear chain-linked jeans.

Hehe, at least I can agree on that sentence ^^
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Gorath on September 09, 2011, 09:14:11 am
Wtf are "chain-linked jeans"...???  :?:
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Aseldo on September 09, 2011, 09:34:02 am
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This is my baby lol :) it's old and reliable
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tore on September 09, 2011, 03:32:19 pm
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Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Thomek on September 09, 2011, 03:59:02 pm
This thread is asking for a name change.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 09, 2011, 04:57:55 pm
The only time my wife did that to me was when the mic on my headset died and I had to tape a boom mic to the headset boom.

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Epic Winning.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Phoenix on September 10, 2011, 01:48:47 am
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Razer Orochi Mouse. Its pretty good and its a generally good size but I think it costs alot. I got it for Christmas so I wouldn't know. But I love it and it has sensitivity buttons on it and the scroll wheel it good. It can also be Wired or Wireless.
Title: Re: How big is your computer mouse?
Post by: Patoson on September 10, 2011, 05:34:26 am
MX518, got 2 spare ones just in case.

The best fucking mouse ever!!!