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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vance on January 24, 2011, 01:06:47 pm
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What do you think of people that allow their clanmates to kill people on their own side?
For example. Let's say you are fighting alongside one of those dastardly Templars, but then a Templar on the other team appears, and your honorless backup is now suddenly running away.
I doubt it's restricted to this group of religious players, I just see them do it a lot. But then it's no surprise to me they are giving special favors to same-clan-enemies considering they are religious. That is how these silly things spread afterall :wink:
So what do you do? Do you start teamattacking when they become treacherous? Forgive them and pray to your imaginary friend that they stop, or that autobalance puts them on the same team?
What do you do? :|
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I will only leave a brother if his demise is certain. Or if its tommy cos he can kill me when im stood behind him.
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What do you think of people that allow their clanmates to kill people on their own side?
For example. Let's say you are fighting alongside one of those dastardly Templars, but then a Templar on the other team appears, and your honorless backup is now suddenly running away.
I doubt it's restricted to this group of religious players, I just see them do it a lot. But then it's no surprise to me they are giving special favors to same-clan-enemies considering they are religious. That is how these silly things spread afterall :wink:
So what do you do? Do you start teamattacking when they become treacherous? Forgive them and pray to your imaginary friend that they stop, or that autobalance puts them on the same team?
What do you do? :|
Which Templar did it to you poor citizen, tell me no need to be rude and accuse all the knights of treachery.
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On the NA servers intentionally ignoring a clan mate gets you removed usually
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What do you do? :|
First i kill my teammate and then my clanmate or vice versa
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You have this wrong: This happens cause you swing your weapon like a madman and they dont wanna get TK'ed. No im kidding:
When you recognise a "friend" on enemy team, you dont engage them if they are a valued oponent: Thomek, most Templars (Specially horse-face Tommy), many of the DRZ, many lesser Ninjas (sry you are all lesser in my eyes next to Thomek), most Mercs, I recognise instantly by sight: I will not gangbang these players, I will allow them to kill my lesser teammates, and wait, when they stand alone against me, ONLY then can I truly enjoy fighting them: This is an honour many reserve for great warriors, and although many of them do not extend me the same courtesy, I will continue to do it.
There is no honour in backstabbing Achilles, and though I may not be an equal in combat to many of the behemoths who stand astride crpg, I will not debase myself by ganging up on them, Im not a feudal japanese peasant, I like my enemies to see my face and know that it is my hand that strikes them down.
If you see a teammate back off, back off too, 9 times out of 10 the teammate will then engage the guy you backed of from, they simply wanted to fight them without some pubnub in the way. Although when I have had this happen and my teammate has then tried to reengage, I have to admit a few times Ive finished the imputent dastard myself.
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there i a tin line between run away and tactical retreat on low populated servers.
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I think they are idiots. (the people who give "duels" to "honor" the opponent and similar stuff)
To elaborate, imho they prefer or favor ones skill (a product of reflexes) over ones tactic (a product of intelligence). Skillfull play is blocking well and striking fast. Tactical play is attacking with advantage and retreating without.
So they are the internet games equivalent of a "brawn over brain" aproach. Just like a big guy who likes to use his fists in a bar sterotype. Somewhat troublesome if you decide to fight him hand to hand, but not too much of an obstacle for a thinking man.
In short - idiots.
(no disrespect intended: I play the game my way, and prefer it, but I allow others to play their way. Reserving the right to consider them idiots, and ofcourse granting the right to be considered one in return)
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You have this wrong: This happens cause you swing your weapon like a madman and they dont wanna get TK'ed. No im kidding:
That made me laugh out loud. I was thinking 'damn this guy knows me'.... :lol:
When you recognise a "friend" on enemy team, you dont engage them if they are a valued oponent: Thomek, most Templars (Specially horse-face Tommy), many of the DRZ, many lesser Ninjas (sry you are all lesser in my eyes next to Thomek), most Mercs, I recognise instantly by sight: I will not gangbang these players, I will allow them to kill my lesser teammates, and wait, when they stand alone against me, ONLY then can I truly enjoy fighting them: This is an honour many reserve for great warriors, and although many of them do not extend me the same courtesy, I will continue to do it.
... That is just crazy-talk to me. I honor my teammates and myself above the enemy team, I do not compromise my team for theirs on the basis of personality or skill.
You might well be a good player, if I know that and I see you on the enemy team then you get special attention - Not a special lack of attention.
There is no honour in backstabbing Achilles, and though I may not be an equal in combat to many of the behemoths who stand astride crpg, I will not debase myself by ganging up on them, Im not a feudal japanese peasant, I like my enemies to see my face and know that it is my hand that strikes them down.
Me on the other hand is buggering Achilles hard at the first opportunity. I want more of me on my team and less of you, can you see why?
If you see a teammate back off, back off too, 9 times out of 10 the teammate will then engage the guy you backed of from, they simply wanted to fight them without some pubnub in the way. Although when I have had this happen and my teammate has then tried to reengage, I have to admit a few times Ive finished the imputent dastard myself.
Sounds like some dueler craziness - How can it not be easier to fight 2 on one? How can you not want to practise that if you genuinely find it harder?... Baffled :?
@Templars, sorry, it perhaps was unfair to use you guys as examples. It's just you guys have done it to me plenty of times, getting me killed as a result of my apparently foolish trust. If it's not your standard practise, and in fact you frown upon it, then I am surprised and very pleased to hear that.
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all because autoblance atm doesnt work as it should
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Like Cas, I leave my clanmates if they're certain to die (I have no problem sealing their fate if they ride that horse too close to me). If there are perfectly legitimate fights close-by, I'd pick those over fighting my clanmates (have you seen them fight? They're scary, mate) for the sheer fact that I'd rather stay alive that much longer to cripple the enemy team.
Yes, there is hesitation in killing my own clansman, I won't lie, but if we're the last few people on the map, I'm not going charge into a 5v1 just to kill my clanmate, because if you've noticed, people are crazy kill hungry crazy people. Chances are that my peasant butt would get kicked by my own teammates before we even reach the opponent.
Also, since banner balance, I haven't had that problem too often :)
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Sometimes I grant the opposing fighter a 1on1 combat, i.e. I wait 'til my friends have killed him or until he's killed my friends. Then I fight.
Sometimes I backstab the ninja squad. If they fail to see me it's their own failure as ninjas! A ninja should always look behind.
Sometimes I let the ninja squad walk past me if I have something else in mind.
Sometimes I grant my clanmember honourable death from the blade of a friend, instead of an enemy.
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My friends are priority kills when on the other team :-)
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I do the opposite:
When i see another Merc on the opposing team, usually i try to assasinate him before he slaughters my team... and if that fails and he spots me, i go straight for him and either go down in a blaze of glory or take him down and dramaticly improve the chances my team wins.
The way to show respect in cRPG to your mates is to try and kill them without delay. Ignoring an opponent is an insult. :)
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Sounds like some dueler craziness - How can it not be easier to fight 2 on one? How can you not want to practise that if you genuinely find it harder?... Baffled :?
No, you misunderstand, its not harder, its a joke. 2 players who understand "combat dance" and their weapon ranges, there noone in the world who can beat that v 2. But since the majority of people playing crpg have NO respect, I wont help in teamfights. Ill backstab the last guys defending the flag on siege, but I wont run to help teammates in the vast majority of fights: Why? Because being killed by enemy, yeah thats fine, being killed by my own team makes rage. I dont wanna rage.
Enforce Reflect team damage 100%, and I will be in every fight. I dont fear the enemy, I fear the fucking nabs on my team.
As far as killing my "friends" on enemy team, I leave them usually because I know them as good players, and in most fights, having 3 guys after you is a ADVANTAGE: They kill themselves. I use this to my advantage and so to many others, if all nabs back off my "friend" on enemy team, I LOVE to kill them first.
But I wont fight next to some twat who has never played mount and blade, bought Warband, got FUCKING DESTROYED in Native Multi, so downloaded cRPG cause they think grinding will replace skill: Guess what, you still suck, I wont fight next to you because I dont wanna die from your shitty mistakes, Get the fuck out of my way and I will do my damndest to kill every single enemy by myself if I have to, as long as no teammate fucks me over, I can best almost anyone.
This isnt Hubris, this is dedication to Mount and Blade. I Love this game, its the best multiplayer game out since CE, and that was 11 years ago. Noone can tell me Im not in the top 1% of players, and noone can tell me how to improve my play style.
You go fucking practise, Vance.
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I kill my teammates as soon as I can, if for nothing else then to hear them yell out in teamspeak. I think all think all this knight e-honor stuff is pathetic nerd RP bullshit, but play how you like I suppose
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I dont wanna rage.
Enforce Reflect team damage 100%, and I will be in every fight. I dont fear the enemy, I fear the fucking nabs on my team.
You go fucking practise, Vance.
So you're a bad team player because you can't control your emotions? ... OK I'll go practise fucking if you go get therapy.
Oh and maybe mention your arrogance early, might save you some money...
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No, you misunderstand, its not harder, its a joke. 2 players who understand "combat dance" and their weapon ranges, there noone in the world who can beat that v 2. But since the majority of people playing crpg have NO respect, I wont help in teamfights. Ill backstab the last guys defending the flag on siege, but I wont run to help teammates in the vast majority of fights: Why? Because being killed by enemy, yeah thats fine, being killed by my own team makes rage. I dont wanna rage.
Enforce Reflect team damage 100%, and I will be in every fight. I dont fear the enemy, I fear the fucking nabs on my team.
As far as killing my "friends" on enemy team, I leave them usually because I know them as good players, and in most fights, having 3 guys after you is a ADVANTAGE: They kill themselves. I use this to my advantage and so to many others, if all nabs back off my "friend" on enemy team, I LOVE to kill them first.
But I wont fight next to some twat who has never played mount and blade, bought Warband, got FUCKING DESTROYED in Native Multi, so downloaded cRPG cause they think grinding will replace skill: Guess what, you still suck, I wont fight next to you because I dont wanna die from your shitty mistakes, Get the fuck out of my way and I will do my damndest to kill every single enemy by myself if I have to, as long as no teammate fucks me over, I can best almost anyone.
This isnt Hubris, this is dedication to Mount and Blade. I Love this game, its the best multiplayer game out since CE, and that was 11 years ago. Noone can tell me Im not in the top 1% of players, and noone can tell me how to improve my play style.
You go fucking practise, Vance.
Aggro Grey is best Grey
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What do you think of people that allow their clanmates to kill people on their own side?
For example. Let's say you are fighting alongside one of those dastardly Templars, but then a Templar on the other team appears, and your honorless backup is now suddenly running away.
I doubt it's restricted to this group of religious players, I just see them do it a lot. But then it's no surprise to me they are giving special favors to same-clan-enemies considering they are religious. That is how these silly things spread afterall :wink:
So what do you do? Do you start teamattacking when they become treacherous? Forgive them and pray to your imaginary friend that they stop, or that autobalance puts them on the same team?
What do you do? :|
My first thought was along these lines:
[fictional TS conversation]
T1: There's Templar_Random! Get him!
T2: Nah, Vance is there, he can take him. Let's go help the guys at the bridge.
T1: Ah yeah.
[/fictional TS conversation]
Anyway, that's usually how it goes. Templars in the other team are usually priority kill targets for other templars. The traitors chose to join the enemy team and deserve to die.
The only thing we usually don't do is mob templars in the other team. If they're fighting 2v1 or more allready, let teammates finish the job. If they can't kill him even when outnumbering him, they suck.
Tommy, Casimir and Daymun are exceptions. I either turn and run (when I'm alone) or use any means to kill them. Preferably from range or from behind.
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A lot of people slash mindlessly into crowds. You can hardly dehorse an enemy without all your teammates ganging up on him taking at least 2 teamhits and very often a tk or two...
In other words: how many tk's does it take 10 men surrounding an enemy to kill him?
That why I often back away... former clan mates, clan mates or not...
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I target my clan mates first, to hear there screams of agony over teamspeak.
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Nothing makes me happier than bonking a clanmate over the head from behind and laughing at them on teamspeak. The real trick is when you see a team mate not really fighting one of his clanmates on the opposite team: Move in to attack the enemy but make sure you spam as wildly as possible. You can probably take them both down and be sure to throw in a "sorry" :twisted:
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I always try to kill nK so I can laugh at them....since I usually lose.
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Like others here I purposefully try to kill clanmates first when they're on the other team. Along with anyone else I know and respect as a player. Killing some random is fine, but killing big hitters or clanmates is just that much sweeter.
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My friends are priority kills when on the other team :-)
This, & I hope my friends think of me the same when I'm on the opposing team.
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My friends are priority kills when on the other team :-)
qtf sometimes if i see my friend killing someone i'll let him have him but then its time to fight.
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I kill my teammates as soon as I can, if for nothing else then to hear them yell out in teamspeak. I think all think all this knight e-honor stuff is pathetic nerd RP bullshit, but play how you like I suppose
Why have all this mediaeval baggage at all? Simply designate armour by a colour code so it's recognisable on the battlefield and assign each weapon a number. All that stupid emo RP nonsense with banners should go, too. Once we have reduced the game to an exercise in pure mathematics, all the nerds will lose interest. Oh, wait though...
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I'm inherently a coward. Why fight 3v1 when i can peg them with my xbow, or fight 1v1 against a weakened opponent? That and anytime it's more than a 2 v1(presuming i'm not the 1) I will avoid the battle. Way to much tks.(which is why i prefer 1v1 or 2v1 versus me. cause then I don't have to worry bout retard teammates running into my swings.)
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vance if we were fighting another fallen i'd probably tk u just so i could kill him lol (accidentally of course!)
the way i see it is the runner would probably get in the way anyway - so many times i've had to stop a swing because someone is in the way - someone incapable of damaging my opponent and then i usually get hit or die etc
like people running to a downed cav and even tho there's 3 of them they all miss or do no damage and then the de-horsed cav kills them all and all our archers and probably me somewhere in-between
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I usually try to kill other members of my clan as priority targets. Sometimes i will back off from an opponent rather than gang up though... grey stated the reason... i avoid ganging up on people because i dont want to get TKed. Happens all the time when you are trying to beat up a strong enemy and your teamtes wildly swing and kill you. Usually I have my trusty shield though, so ill just run around with my shield up trying to intimidate the opponent while my ally stabs him.
Oh, I will admit that I have let balbaroth slaughter my teamates so that i could duel him. But I don't see that as a big issue, if i had engaged at the same time as that teamate, Balb would probably just use his footwork to get my teamate in my way or to get him to hit me with a random swing, so its actually easier for me to fight him 1v1 unless i know my teamate is competent... in which case tactical crab clawing will ensue.
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I usually try to kill other members of my clan as priority targets. Sometimes i will back off from an opponent rather than gang up though... grey stated the reason... except that he said it as a joke. I am serious when i say that i avoid ganging up on people because i dont want to get TKed. Happens all the time when you are trying to beat up a strong enemy and your teamtes wildly swing and kill you. Usually I have my trusty shield though, so ill just run around with my shield up trying to intimidate the opponent while my ally stabs him.
Oh, I will admit that I have let balbaroth slaughter my teamates so that i could duel him. But I don't see that as a big issue, if i had engaged at the same time as that teamate, Balb would probably just use his footwork to get my teamate in my way or to get him to hit me with a random swing, so its actually easier for me to fight him 1v1 unless i know my teamate is competent... in which case tactical crab clawing will ensue.
yeah i totally agree with letting people die rather than be team hit/tk'd by them or tk'ing them yourself (they might also kill the enemy)
if there's 2-3 people on 1 enemy and i dont know them then i will either let it go or stay outside melee range and bide my time
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Win a one on one fisticuff fight, and people are impressed.
Avoid a one of one fight by grabbing a brick and blindsiding the guy, and and you are a genius.
We need fewer warriors and more soldiers in cRPG. You don't try to fight fair in a battle. So I would hope my teammates could help me in flanking the enemy and forcing him into a dilemma sandwich. No matter where he turns, he is exposed. Really blatant cases of favouritism has my "friendly" teammate blocking my swings for his clannie.
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Random you're the biggest traitor I've ever encountered. Even I cry at teamspeak "don't chase me, let me go, NOOO" - you swing your bloody flamberge to me at full speed while lots of unaware people are playing aimlessly near you..
You, arrogant sire, will not have any further cavalry support :P
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Noone can tell me Im not in the top 1% of players, and noone can tell me how to improve my play style.
You go fucking practise, Vance.
Did anyone else lol at this?
Bro, you need to relax. Plenty of people can tell you that, in fact, you're not in the top 1%. It's just clear that you won't believe them.
As to the OP, I've actually never encountered your problem. As someone said, banner balance is probably contributing to the decline of it. Most clans that I've seen - RS, ATS, Hospitaller - attack each other just as much as any non-clanned guy I've met.
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Random you're the biggest traitor I've ever encountered. Even I cry at teamspeak "don't chase me, let me go, NOOO" - you swing your bloody flamberge to me at full speed while lots of unaware people are playing aimlessly near you..
You, arrogant sire, will not have any further cavalry support :P
I get the impression you misunderstood the thread and unwittingly admitted to being the kind of traitor I despise :lol:
(Yep, seen Fallen do it before, and seen Shogunate do it too, come to mention it.)
RandomDude, sounds like you are playing as if you are the old you. Not joking, you deserve complimenting for the improvement you have made in reducing your tendency to TK. But I think you're much better than you used to be, skillwise, and I don't think you need to avoid the melee.
I really wouldn't mind being TKed by our combined incompetence (as has happened many times) anyway near as much as I mind being abandoned to get raped alone. It makes me feel like my team wasted my death, whereas 'sry' is all it takes to fix TKing me.
It's usually partly my fault when teammates hit me, but I too have been improving. I've always been a strong team player; turning opponents, making careful supporting strikes, and even dying when it seems appropriate. If I know a friendly is coming up behind me I will try hard to get the opponent between us...
I guess I am trying to say 'give teamwork a chance, I know you can do it!' only without sounding like a total dick... lol
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My friends are priority kills when on the other team :-)
I give my clan mate very speacial treatment when I on different side by killing them as soon as I see them on field, but I prefer to kill them 1 on 1 but that not always the case, than I rush in front of my group for the chance to take down a clan mate. I do this with Bloodlust induce rage (nerd rage) lol
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If i see HRE members on the other team they are first to get killed ;)
More fun in TS ;)