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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Tomas on August 22, 2011, 02:52:54 pm

Title: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 22, 2011, 02:52:54 pm
Hey all,

Being relatively new to Strategus i'm trying to piece together all the diplomatic relations of the different clans (or at least those that are meant to be public knowledge :wink:).

I've put what I've got so far into a google doc - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvGQM5ubg2E7dGJDOUJLQWVKYXcyU0huXzZyMEx0bnc&hl=en_US#gid=0

I'd be grateful if the various clan diplomats/leaders could check if what I've got down is correct or not, and also let me know what's missing  :mrgreen:  Apologies to anybody missed out or mis-represented, there's a lot of clans out there :|

Cheers in advance - Tomas

EDIT:  I'll happily allow clan diplomats editorial rights to help keep this up to date as well.  Just pm me with your email addresses if interested :)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Thovex on August 22, 2011, 03:05:26 pm
Tags for Eastern Tsardom: TS_
Tags for ATS: _ATS
Tags for The Union: STR_ or T_
Tags for BashiBazouk: BashiBazouk_
Tags for Legione Italica: Legio_
Tags for the 22nd Battalion: 22nd_
Tags for Bandits: Bandit_ - HOWEVER this clan turned into Warg_
Tags for Sovereignity of Aegis: SoA_
Tags for Crusaders of Acre: _of_Acre
Tags for the Roaming Wolpertinger: _Wolper

RuConquista is at war with 22nd & Grey Order.
Druzhina killed ATS, Hospitaller and Eastern Tsardom, as well.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 22, 2011, 03:18:15 pm
Tags for Bandits: Bandit_ - HOWEVER this clan turned into Warg_

updated - but who now controls Tshibtin?  Still listed as The_Bandits on http://stratmap.x10.mx/stratmap.html but is it now under Warg control? Or is there still some remnant of The_Bandits?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Thovex on August 22, 2011, 03:22:12 pm
Wargs, just strategus faction name is not change-able will probably be transferred soon.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on August 22, 2011, 03:26:19 pm
CHAOS is currently allied with Druzhina.

NAP with the mercs,wolves,FCC and TKOV

The Mercs also have NAPs with TKOV and BRD.

I hope this helps as I love this idea.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 22, 2011, 03:30:48 pm
Wargs, just strategus faction name is not change-able will probably be transferred soon.
Cheers :D
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: okiN on August 22, 2011, 03:31:59 pm
VRN and Sea Raiders allied.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Thovex on August 22, 2011, 03:32:56 pm
Schwert Bruder is SB_ as clan tag allied with Knights Templar, Templar_.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 22, 2011, 03:37:53 pm
Cheers for the posts so far.  Now upto date as of this message :)

EDIT: For some unknown reason the "published" google docs don't support frozen rows/columns.  This actually makes the raw google doc easier to read imo so here's the link for those that want it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvGQM5ubg2E7dGJDOUJLQWVKYXcyU0huXzZyMEx0bnc&hl=en_US#gid=0

EDIT2:  I'll happily allow clan diplomats editorial rights to help keep this up to date as well.  Just pm me with your email addresses if interested :)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Bjorn_Ironsides on August 22, 2011, 05:19:33 pm
Quote
Druzhina killed ATS, Hospitaller and Eastern Tsardom, as well.

While ATS and I do believe yes TS lost all land holdings, Hospitaller still holds Yurma Castle
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on August 22, 2011, 05:29:28 pm
LLJK is at war with itself, please change the black box to the red war one.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 22, 2011, 05:30:48 pm
BIRD clan needs to be included - currently at war with all clans in their quest for world domination.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 22, 2011, 07:19:29 pm
In the end, all of Strategus's petty, childish squabbling is nothing in comparison to the horrors of the LLJK/BIRD civil war. Long after Calradia is unified and peace reigns, the desert will be still be filled with blood and straw hats.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Kafein on August 22, 2011, 07:22:48 pm
Pecores and LLJK have a common enemy we are at war with, LLJK.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: CommissarKip on August 22, 2011, 07:23:20 pm
Our lives.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 22, 2011, 07:24:03 pm
Pecores and LLJK have a common enemy we are at war with, LLJK.
LLJK does not acknowledge a state of war between ourselves and the minor map colouring error that is the Pecores.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 22, 2011, 07:25:31 pm
This is so dumb
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: CommissarKip on August 22, 2011, 07:25:44 pm
As the official spokesman for the shadow government of LLJK I can not deny or acknowledge any wars in LLJK, and/or wars with LLJK involving LLJK.

In other news: Miller High Life is now LLJK's official powerdrink.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Inequity on August 22, 2011, 07:25:58 pm
Without BIRD CLAN this chart/thread has 0% credibility.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: CommissarKip on August 22, 2011, 07:27:51 pm
Yeah. I can't take this seriously without this going through the proper diplomatic channels by adding BIRD CLAN.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: LLJK_Goatee on August 22, 2011, 07:28:25 pm
SO YA WANT TO KNOW ABOUT GOON DIPLOMACY EH
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


We are at war will all you fat dumpster nerds
~lljk diplomat~
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 22, 2011, 07:29:27 pm
This is so dumb
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 22, 2011, 07:42:46 pm
As the official spokesman for the shadow government of LLJK I can not deny or acknowledge any wars in LLJK, and/or wars with LLJK involving LLJK.

In other news: Miller High Life is now LLJK's official powerdrink.

Miller High Life - weak, This means war!!!!  FCC now officially at war with LLJK.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 22, 2011, 07:45:07 pm
Miller High Life - weak, This means war!!!!  FCC now officially at war with LLJK.

Peace has been concluded (Confirmed).  FCC is now at peace with LLJK, may we all learn some way to live with the horrible memories of that terrible war.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SittingBull on August 22, 2011, 10:13:42 pm
BlackRose was never at war with TS, ATS or Hospitaller. We have a NAP arrangement with Mercs and Wolves as well as per the contract.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: bruttus on August 23, 2011, 03:17:45 am
if i'm not wrong, xKhanx is also allied with fallen and chaos, and NAP with mercs
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BattalGazi on August 23, 2011, 10:20:16 am
We, The Turks, known with the tag "Kapikulu_" are allies with the "Caravan Guild", "The Byzantines" and the "Royal Union" ( Abays, Inglorious Basterds and the Kingdom of England ). We are an EU based clan. Sadly our territories have been captured by the "Crusaders of Acre" so they are our enemies. We are also enemies with "the BashiBazouks". I don't know if you hold the record but "the CamelScreamers" are in our disgrace/traitors list.
 
Cheers
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 23, 2011, 12:59:05 pm
Updated Blackrose
Added in the Horde of Khan NAP with mercs but need confirmation on those alliances before I add them in.

We, The Turks, known with the tag "Kapikulu_" are allies with the "Caravan Guild", "The Byzantines" and the "Royal Union" ( Abays, Inglorious Basterds and the Kingdom of England ). We are an EU based clan. Sadly our territories have been captured by the "Crusaders of Acre" so they are our enemies. We are also enemies with "the BashiBazouks". I don't know if you hold the record but "the CamelScreamers" are in our disgrace/traitors list.
 
Cheers

Is the "Royal Union" the same as "The Union"?  I'm unsure as that would mean your allies are at war :?

EDIT: If anybody feels that "Allies" or "War" are not the correct descriptions for your relations with another faction then here's a few definitions plus some extra options that I think could be useful.

DP - Defensive pact.  An agreement to defend each other if attacked.
OP - Offensive pact.  An agreement to co-ordinate attacks against a common enemy and then share the spoils.
Allies - A combined defensive and offensive pact. 
Vassal - A agreement to let a "Master" clan manage all diplomacy
NAP - An agreement not to attack each other
Enemies - A clan you dislike and will attack if near your lands but you are not actively fighting
War - A clan you are actively fighting

If there's any others feel free to make suggestions  :)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Overdriven on August 23, 2011, 01:12:18 pm
You got GK right. Just add on that we are EU.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BattalGazi on August 23, 2011, 01:17:35 pm
Is the "Royal Union" the same as "The Union"?  I'm unsure as that would mean your allies are at war :?

No it is different, Royal Union is a group of clans; the Abays, Inglorious Basterds and the Kingdom of England.

Also with respect to your "Enemies" definition, we are "Enemies" with Crusaders of Acre and Bashibazouks, not at "War". And for the CamelScreamers, we are neither at war nor enemies, we just declared them to be traitors, it is different.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 23, 2011, 01:22:07 pm
No it is different, Royal Union is a group of clans; the Abays, Inglorious Basterds and the Kingdom of England.

That makes sense then :D  I'll add them all in
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BattalGazi on August 23, 2011, 01:24:51 pm
Also with respect to your "Enemies" definition, we are "Enemies" with Crusaders of Acre and Bashibazouks, not at "War". And for the CamelScreamers, we are neither at war nor enemies, we just declared them to be traitors, it is different.

And please modify the enemy-war definition, ty.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on August 23, 2011, 01:25:42 pm
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Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 23, 2011, 01:38:10 pm
And please modify the enemy-war definition, ty.

Done

EDIT: I've now added confirmation columns to the right hand side so that if a someone from the diplomatic registry (BattalGazi for example) gives me info, others can see that as of the date it was given, the info is correct.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Casimir on August 23, 2011, 06:20:28 pm
Templars and soa are still at war.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Segd on August 23, 2011, 08:46:20 pm
Fixed haha
We need some nerf :)

Don't know for sure but i think that war between drz & NE is over  :?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PillowPet on August 23, 2011, 10:59:59 pm
Very cool, thanks for making this. I've always wanted a list to see who's attacking who. It'll be a pain to keep it updated but I hope you will stick with it.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 24, 2011, 01:04:46 am
Very cool, thanks for making this. I've always wanted a list to see who's attacking who. It'll be a pain to keep it updated but I hope you will stick with it.

Cheers :D

My hope is that once up and running, i'll be able to give the diplomats from the various clans editing rights so they can keep their own row up to date.  Until then its not too much effort for me to check this thread myself and add in whatever info is posted here.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on August 24, 2011, 01:18:58 pm
Crusaders of Acre are allied with SoA and Camelscreamers.....

War with Kapikulu, (no idea if this is still going on)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BattalGazi on August 24, 2011, 06:17:13 pm
Crusaders of Acre are allied with SoA and Camelscreamers.....

War with Kapikulu, (no idea if this is still going on)

SoA joined LLJK?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on August 24, 2011, 07:30:50 pm
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Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Wiawins_ATS on August 24, 2011, 07:33:03 pm
I feel like I'm playing Eve again  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tetris on August 24, 2011, 07:55:12 pm
The color is shits and giggles, I didnt betray SoA we all agreed to disband. I am joining OotL so its only right that I take my lands with me. Unless everyone thinks I should agree on "awarding" land to my (no longer) Knights. Call me a traitor, But I was King after all. SoA will live in essence with me. I shall take the boat with me. I shalt not let it sink to be forgotten.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Mendro on August 24, 2011, 08:00:16 pm
Haha a new faction in the desert , funny  :P
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 24, 2011, 09:53:48 pm
So here's what I've changed on the relation sheet

SoA currently remain SoA but are now allied with OotL (new faction) and LLJK instead of Crusaders of Acre and CamelScreamers.  They will be removed once as expected their provinces are all taken by OotL
OotL have been created and are allied with SoA and LLJK

I wonder if the Turks still consider SoA enemies and will they see OotL/LLJK as enemies now?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on August 24, 2011, 10:11:24 pm
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Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tetris on August 24, 2011, 10:23:16 pm
SoA is no more. OotL inherits the land through Personal Union. Camels and Lljk are neutral. Acre is independent to the right of the desert near Barriye.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 24, 2011, 10:39:59 pm
What the fuck you smoking bro?

Crusaders of Acre exist and are not LLJK....LLJK are independant but SoA=Ootl

I thought was what I put but perhaps a missed SoA will clarify - "SoA will be removed once as expected their provinces are all taken by OotL"
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on August 24, 2011, 10:44:41 pm
LLJK is at war with LLJK and has no alliances one way or the other. Once the civil war is resolved we will be open to further diplomatic actions.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tetris on August 25, 2011, 12:09:45 am
LLJK is at war with LLJK and has no alliances one way or the other. Once the civil war is resolved we will be open to further diplomatic actions.

American Civil War: The return of Bigfoot
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BattalGazi on August 25, 2011, 12:28:35 am
We were not enemies with SoA and neither with their replacements. We dont have any pos or neg relations with LLJK and their vassals.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: SPQR on August 25, 2011, 12:39:36 am
American Civil War: The return of Bigfoot

I would watch the fuck out of that movie
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 25, 2011, 01:03:30 am
We were not enemies with SoA and neither with their replacements. We dont have any pos or neg relations with LLJK and their vassals.

Sorry my bad - read the wrong row
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: tankmen on August 25, 2011, 03:11:41 am
So here's what I've changed on the relation sheet

SoA currently remain SoA but are now allied with OotL (new faction) and LLJK instead of Crusaders of Acre and CamelScreamers.  They will be removed once as expected their provinces are all taken by OotL
OotL have been created and are allied with SoA and LLJK

I wonder if the Turks still consider SoA enemies and will they see OotL/LLJK as enemies now?
not a new faction, we are very old(older than acre if that helps a date at all) just havent been active in a while, we have been in the north since this beta started. now move south to find a good home, offered to us by the former SoA king
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: partyboy on August 25, 2011, 03:32:32 am
BIRD CLAN is currently at war with ATS, but once that is done we will get back to our ~-=-~FoReVeR~WaR~-=-~ with the scum LLJK.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: kinngrimm on August 25, 2011, 03:41:36 am
Wolves

NAPs:
through the last peace treaty "toilet brb - Official Declaration of Peace (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13060.0.html)" we have NAPs with
Mercenaries (Mercs)
RuConquista
Chosen Hands of the Ascended Order of Stratia (Chaos)
Free Companies of Calradia (FCC)
The Kingdom of Veluca (TKoV)
Knights of the Black Rose (Blackrose)

We don't have any alliances, basicly we try to stay neutral as long we see the possibility for it and we can make contracts to strengthen us in different ways. Wargs joined us as vassals.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: partyboy on August 25, 2011, 04:54:43 am
Hmm I remember another clan that tried to stay neutral as possible.  Wonder where they are now...
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 25, 2011, 05:29:39 am
Hmm I remember another clan that tried to stay neutral as possible.  Wonder where they are now...

Basically everyone needs to acknowledge themselves as vassals of BIRD clan and they can play their peaceful games of neutrality without ever having to fight anyone... otherwise face the mighy fury of the GodKing of BIRD!!!!
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Sphinxer on August 25, 2011, 07:12:44 am
Staying as neutral as possible will just bring you to your end (Best example, Northern Empire). If you don't help people, don't expect help when people come to your door.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: kinngrimm on August 25, 2011, 10:26:35 am
@Sphinxer
Neutrality is the ideal status of a Mercenary Faction as i see it.
An Ideal at foremost, something to reach for, but never reached.

@Tomas
BTW, i see some other Categories and basic definitions we could use.
As i am still under the impression that this game is in a medieval time hrhrhr,
i took some freedoms with logic, when i thought i could express the characteristic trait in a more colorful way,
i hope i succeeded at least a little  :oops:

EDIT: I am not an excel specialist and just learned about conditional formating, check it out, in the long run it could perhaps save some time updating the spreadsheet. I don't know how to make a menu though which would be perhaps even more better.

Categories and basic definitions:

suggestion for color code (RGB) :

If the data collected here
would work with either a website like this one (http://stratmap.x10.mx/stratmap.html) (author:vinnytk?)
or/and  Strategus Territorial Map (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13287.0.html) (author:Comrade_Temuzu?)

and implemented through the Eye Candy scritp additions (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,11210.0.html) (author:Chort?)
would then by clicking on a faction, show their relations in color on the map, which would give us a good tactical base to judge a faction in combination with also geographical effects to estimate situations.


Another thought came to mind...

As in the excel sheat, the leaders or the authorized diplomats need to confirm, there might be variances how relations in between those 2 spreahsheet crossing Factions compared might see each other.
This can be perhaps better be seen in the terretorial map, as these data could be used either to try harder to get better or worse relation ships or let you see opening to engage in another area/era/stage/level of diplomacy.

And while we are at it ...

how about letting us see dependencies between a factions member count and the count of fiefs they maintain.
F.E. it looks in extremes like, many fiefs few members kind of fogy and solid the other way round.
So who is overextending now?

Finally!

Give me on the strategus character page a relation ship link, where i can fill in on my own(rank 10-9), my relations who i am willing to make openly known.

far in the Future:
use this as a good tool for diplomacy


So this took some time and i hope some of you guys can make something happen with it.


farewell

kinngrimm
AboozTester


PS: why the hell does if i click within Strategus On Character Page or Strategus Map, always open a new TAB, am i a child who can't press the mousewheel  :twisted:
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 25, 2011, 10:48:32 am
not funny anymore...
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Classical on August 25, 2011, 11:03:21 am
:words: trying to monetize the entire element of social engineering

This isn't fucking Europa Universalis III, get the fuck out. The social element of Strategus in relation to diplomacy is exactly what I just fucking said: social, labeling everything with pretty colors is and rating diplomatic relations in terms of numbers or magical terms is fucking stupid.

Take this specific instance, LLJK_Zealot was Neutral towards you and had no other course to think otherwise, now that LLJK_Zealot is seeing how much of a dumb ass you sound like, LLJK_Zealot now considers you Retarded.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 25, 2011, 11:19:18 am
This isn't fucking Europa Universalis III, get the fuck out. The social element of Strategus in relation to diplomacy is exactly what I just fucking said: social, labeling everything with pretty colors is and rating diplomatic relations in terms of numbers or magical terms is fucking stupid.

Take this specific instance, LLJK_Zealot was Neutral towards you and had no other course to think otherwise, now that LLJK_Zealot is seeing how much of a dumb ass you sound like, LLJK_Zealot now considers you Retarded.

LLJK_Zealot
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 25, 2011, 01:46:31 pm
(click to show/hide)
[/spoiler]

Cheers for taking the time to comment properly on my spreadsheet and thanks for the suggestions.  I'll start at the beginning and work my way through :D

First up, conditional formatting.  I can use this but its no quicker for me than copying and pasting, so in the spreadsheets current format, it doesn't seem worth it.  If the spreadsheet evolves then it might become useful.

Next, your categories.  Whilst I agree that there should be more categories I don't agree with labelling everybody as something.  Some things are meant to be private - such as if you mildly dislike someone but don't want them to know (yet  :wink:).  My spreadsheet is just for public knowledge and things that diplomats or factions leaders want to make publicly known.

Here's the list of alternative labels I put in an earlier post (but forgot to edit into the OP)
DP - Defensive pact.  An agreement to defend each other if attacked.
OP - Offensive pact.  An agreement to co-ordinate attacks against a common enemy and then share the spoils.
Allies - A combined defensive and offensive pact.
Vassal - A agreement to let a "Master" clan manage all diplomacy
NAP - An agreement not to attack each other
Enemies - A clan you dislike and will attack if near your lands but you are not actively fighting
War - A clan you are actively fighting

These are standings that people may want to make public and use instead of "War" and "Allies".  Its is still up to the diplomats/leaders though.

Your idea to incorporate this into startegus is great but not something I would have the first idea of how to do.  If doing this then I would agree to your list of possible relations, however faction leaders would need to be able to choose what is made public, and what is only visible to faction members.  The only stances that I would always make completely public are Ally and War.  For instance you might not always want the person you are "Unsure" about to know you are unsure about them.

Finally, I agree that 2 factions may see each other in different ways, but until I can get more diplomats coming in here to give me updates (or requesting editorial rights so they can edit themselves) then I am forced to fill in gaps myself using guess work. 
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on August 25, 2011, 04:31:58 pm
I would like editorial rights for LLJK.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 25, 2011, 05:24:48 pm
I would like editorial rights for LLJK.

I think perhaps a seperate sheet just for LLJK might be a better idea.  You seem to have more internal factions than Strategus Clans  :shock:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on August 25, 2011, 06:43:27 pm
I think perhaps a seperate sheet just for LLJK might be a better idea.  You seem to have more internal factions than Strategus Clans  :shock:  :mrgreen:

This would be acceptable.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Damug on August 25, 2011, 07:06:07 pm
LLJK's Council of 13 has been disbanded by the one true Goon.  The clan is now led entirely by Goatee, all hail the glorious leader.

Also, we are selling strat gold and troops for TF2 hats.  Send all inquiries to Goatee.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 25, 2011, 07:51:22 pm
LLJK's Council of 13 has been disbanded by the one true Goon.  The clan is now led entirely by Goatee, all hail the glorious leader.
Lies! The Idiot Seer Goatee rules nothing!

VIVA PRESIDENTÉ GILDISS! VIVA LA REPUBLICA DEL GOON! VIVA!
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Classical on August 25, 2011, 10:36:56 pm
VIVA PRESIDENTÉ GILDISS! VIVA LA REPUBLICA DEL GOON! VIVA!
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on August 25, 2011, 10:47:27 pm
I'm personally against seeing my pictures and statues in the streets... But it's what the people want.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Rhaelys on August 25, 2011, 11:04:02 pm
Chaos is NA and currently owns three territories.

We also have Non-Aggression Pacts with Blackrose and RuConquista.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Slantedfloors on August 25, 2011, 11:04:31 pm
Rejoice! The pathetic "Republica del Goon", tools of the demon Shogunate, has fallen! The self-proclaimed "Presidenté", the traitor Gildiss, has been led away in chains!

VIVA LA REPUBLICA POPULAR LLJK! VIVA COMMANDANTE ZEALOT! VIVA LA REVOLUCION DEL PUEBLO!
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Violent on August 26, 2011, 04:57:08 am
For fear of being absorbed by a lesser player-lead internal LLJK faction I, Violent, have formed my own faction to protect what I have held true since paying for 10 bux membership:

Medal Ribbons for e-Bravery.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 26, 2011, 01:11:37 pm
Chaos is NA and currently owns three territories.

We also have Non-Aggression Pacts with Blackrose and RuConquista.

Which 3?  I'm trying to work out who i've attributed them to at the moment, but the auto map isn't working
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Rhaelys on August 26, 2011, 09:26:58 pm
Which 3?  I'm trying to work out who i've attributed them to at the moment, but the auto map isn't working

Vayejeg, Ismirala, Tehlrog Castle
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Classical on August 27, 2011, 03:37:44 am
Vayejeg, Ismirala, Tehlrog Castle

LLJK formally attempts a diplomatic relations increase this month with Chaos, by taking away 2 of our diplomacy rating and a diplomat.

The chance of success is "Maybe", awaiting response.

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Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 27, 2011, 04:10:34 am
Chaos is NA and currently owns three territories.

We also have Non-Aggression Pacts with Blackrose and RuConquista.

Yeah, you have RuConquista all blank for non-aggression pacts.  Basically, Mercs, RuConquista, Wolves, Chaos, FCC, TKOV, and Blackrose all have non-aggression pacts with each other for another 5-6 weeks meaning none of these can attack any other in that group or provide troops or gold to anyone attacking a member of this group without violating the agreement.  Rather long-lasting and strict agreement, but it was a rather vicious war.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 30, 2011, 06:35:32 pm
updated (I think thingsare correct, but its been a busy week)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on August 30, 2011, 06:37:58 pm
FCC, TKOV, Fallen, and HRE just signed a Defense Pact.

NM - you got that

But also the Corns_ clan within the FCC switched their clan tag to _Unicorns (sweet, isnt it?). Thanks.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Macleane on August 31, 2011, 03:28:39 am
Might as well add us to the list.

Clan: "The Company"
Tags: "Company_
Fiefs: None
Diplomacy: None so far, probably will be developing soon.

I'm our leader & diplomat for the time being.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Merten on August 31, 2011, 03:45:18 am
Dear Macleane,

i think we should search a solution ...  :wink:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14384.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14384.0.html)
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on August 31, 2011, 11:12:30 am
Might as well add us to the list.

Done.  You're on row 33
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: PhantomZero on September 02, 2011, 11:55:39 pm
Your history and relations are still full of inaccuracies, where mah editing rights. Also, why is OotL at war with LLJK?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Kafein on September 03, 2011, 12:05:24 am
LLJK formally attempts a diplomatic relations increase this month with Chaos, by taking away 2 of our diplomacy rating and a diplomat.

The chance of success is "Maybe", awaiting response.

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I think I fell in love since you posted that image :lol:

Btw, I doubt diplomatic annexion works in Strategus. Maybe you got a mission ?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on September 03, 2011, 12:46:30 am
Your history and relations are still full of inaccuracies, where mah editing rights. Also, why is OotL at war with LLJK?

I know - its difficult to piece things together though when you try to start in the middle. You need to pm me your email address if you want editorial rights. 

Just so everybody knows - all those old wars where one faction has ended up losing all their territories are getting downgraded to "enemies".  Its meant to show that the factions will attack each other if the opportunity arises, but there's no longer any fiefs to fight a full blown war over. 

I've also added a timeline, where i'm going to try and record all major announcements and battles.  It should help make things more accurate from now on, so long as I can get the starting point right.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 01:03:34 pm
CHAOS and DRZ are at war with the FCC (BRD and basically whatever other clan they've convinced to join them, it's constantly growing.) As  part of their pact, HRE, TKOV and Fallen have also declared war on CHAOS and DRZ' as part of their pact.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Matey on September 03, 2011, 01:14:36 pm
CHAOS and DRZ are at war with the FCC (BRD and basically whatever other clan they've convinced to join them, it's constantly growing.) As  part of their pact, HRE, TKOV and Fallen have also declared war on CHAOS and DRZ' as part of their pact.

pff... FCC is BRD, Cavalieres and Unicorns. All of which have been in FCC since before strat came back up. constantly growing... pff. oh and its more accurate to say DRZ/Chaos declared war on TKoV, Fallen and HRE since you were both well aware of the Defensive agreement between us.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 01:20:55 pm
Wasn't Occitan in your coalition at one point also I'd also heard that Blackrose was contemplating joining? You've had a few people  come and go, so I guess "in flux" would have been more appropriate, my apologies.  Anyway, spin it however you want, I just wanted to update that list stating that we are at war.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Matey on September 03, 2011, 01:31:45 pm
Occitan used to be TBL a long time ago, and was in FCC, but didnt work out as both sides wanted, so they went their own way.
Black Rose has been tight with us, but FCC is a single strategus faction... not a group of factions, so no we dont have lotsa clans coming and going and so on.. how do you not know this? havent you been playing with us for a long time?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 01:34:59 pm
It was never really very relevant information, as far as I was concerned personally,sorry.  :(
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on September 03, 2011, 01:46:53 pm
Wasn't Occitan in your coalition at one point also I'd also heard that Blackrose was contemplating joining? You've had a few people  come and go, so I guess "in flux" would have been more appropriate, my apologies.  Anyway, spin it however you want, I just wanted to update that list stating that we are at war.

Occitan with FCC?
Sure that's why Occitan attack FCC... Occitan were NE dogs, they are now Drz dogs trying to find something to eat in the north.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on September 03, 2011, 07:48:02 pm
Should be reasonably up to date now.  I need to confrim whats happenign with the Kingdom of Haven though.  Are they declaring war on Druzhina by attacking, or is this some transfer of land
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 03, 2011, 08:44:19 pm
I believe that Haven and Occitan are friends, so that is unlikely. It is likely a troop transfer or something of that nature.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Tomas on September 04, 2011, 01:05:53 am
I believe that Haven and Occitan are friends, so that is unlikely. It is likely a troop transfer or something of that nature.

I'm not so sure - they have Fallens, HRE, TKoV and FCC guys signed up for the battle
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 01:22:57 am
Hahah yeah, I was wrong. Haven has joined the FCC and basically the rest of NA in the war against CHAOS and DRZ.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: JihadistMexican on September 04, 2011, 01:49:58 am
Hahah yeah, I was wrong. Haven has joined the FCC and basically the rest of NA in the war against CHAOS and DRZ.

Occitan is NA.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 01:51:03 am
As are Hospitaller,ATS and LL. Still, the vast majority of NA strat is working with the FCC
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Matey on September 04, 2011, 02:56:39 am
you used to stand with us too. but i guess you prefer to fight your friends than work with em.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Bramd on September 04, 2011, 04:17:09 am
Hahah yeah, I was wrong. Haven has joined the FCC and basically the rest of NA in the war against CHAOS and DRZ.

You guys attacked us...  No?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Braeden on September 04, 2011, 05:25:18 am
As are Hospitaller,ATS and LL. Still, the vast majority of NA strat is working with the FCC

Having been recently been told that the NE represented a "superfaction" this clearly can't be right.  They must be the majority with Chaos replacing TS!
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 04, 2011, 05:50:55 am
you used to stand with us too. but i guess you prefer to fight your friends than work with em.

We fight with our friends only when they treat us like friends, Matey.   :wink:

Again though, this isn't about who attacked who or whos wrong, I simply wanted to update the thread. Lets leave all the false feelings of betrayal and angst to the diplomacy thread.

Edit: Some of you need to re-read this a few times, you really don't need to de-rail every thread with this little smear campaign.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Greziz on September 04, 2011, 05:55:54 am
Most friends don't help their friend up from a bad scuffle {war with mercs} Then expect payment especially when said friends were very poor at the time indeed. Any who I expect we will have the chance to help pick you all up after a bad scuffle one day. [I still love my chaos buddies. If there is ever a vote or something for us to help you I am for it..... well after we make up from our current ongoing fight. I KNOW WE WILL!]
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Chestaclese on September 05, 2011, 07:03:31 am
Some of my best friends were the ones I got into fights with. Sometimes you have to fight the ones you love haha.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Greziz on September 05, 2011, 07:07:16 am
True dat chesta.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Canary on September 05, 2011, 06:45:11 pm
Most friends don't help their friend up from a bad scuffle {war with mercs} Then expect payment especially when said friends were very poor at the time indeed. Any who I expect we will have the chance to help pick you all up after a bad scuffle one day. [I still love my chaos buddies. If there is ever a vote or something for us to help you I am for it..... well after we make up from our current ongoing fight. I KNOW WE WILL!]

Yes, we helped the FCC in the Merc war situation, but we did not ask for anything at all at the time. I wish people would stop trying to act as if we were/are demanding something as recompense for our assistance in that matter (and by "people" I mean my clan members), because as friends we were helping you from the goodness of our heart, and we expected nothing for it (which is what we received). I suppose it was naive to expect any assistance without a price from our friends by the same token. [anyway, I still love all you FCC guys as well]

Sorry for the off-topic discussion in this thread.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Greziz on September 05, 2011, 06:56:43 pm
I wish we could have had this happen differently. I don't enjoy warring against my chaos buddies. Well I do enjoy fighting you all but I don't enjoy strat battling you all. We always shoulda been allied and doing great battles vs some one else or something.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Keshian on September 05, 2011, 07:08:04 pm
I wish we could have had this happen differently. I don't enjoy warring against my chaos buddies. Well I do enjoy fighting you all but I don't enjoy strat battling you all. We always shoulda been allied and doing great battles vs some one else or something.

Yeah, your xbowmen and polearmers mesh so well with our cav, shielders and archers.  Good fight this morning, looking forward to some more good battles today.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Chestaclese on September 05, 2011, 11:09:19 pm
Yeah, your xbowmen and polearmers mesh so well with our cav, shielders and archers.  Good fight this morning, looking forward to some more good battles today.

Oh what a force we could have been and still might be! Fuck Cyranule though. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BaleOhay on September 06, 2011, 12:03:58 am
yeah we do not like him either. So get in line.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Darkkarma on September 06, 2011, 12:10:49 am
I miss my landbro.

This war is tearing apart.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Greziz on September 06, 2011, 12:13:18 am
I hear the great god chadz will CLEANSE us of our sins...... or gear. Maybe new start? Or perhaps we can organize a 50 on 50 naked wrastlin contest.
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: Gristle on September 06, 2011, 12:14:17 am
How can anyone hate having a Crayonule on their team?
Title: Re: Startegus Diplomatic Relations?
Post by: BaleOhay on September 06, 2011, 12:24:29 am
I miss my landbro.

This war is tearing apart.

you got the best of me in the early battle. Maybe after wipe we can shoot people together again. Just contact our diplomats... Or if you all can not get along pm me. Maybe I can bring the warrior brothers home again. Plenty of non family to fight