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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Sultan Eren on January 21, 2011, 07:57:53 pm

Title: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Sultan Eren on January 21, 2011, 07:57:53 pm
Weapon Stat.
weight 0.25
requirement 15
spd rtng 112
weapon length 36
swing damage 0 cut (we can't swing)
thrust damage 30 pierce (normal thrust)

Assassin mode:
Like lances we need to press X when we approacing someone from behind. And the weapon will be like 200pierce damage for 1-2 seconds. To redo this we gotta wait 30sec. I'm not a stealth killer not a ninja or whatever but if you aproach someone from behind you can easily kill him since he dont recognize you.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Beleidiger on January 21, 2011, 08:01:21 pm
Wat is with the 200 Pierce damage when he turns around in the last second??
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Punisher on January 21, 2011, 08:03:57 pm
This isn't TF2 and you're not a spy.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Sultan Eren on January 21, 2011, 08:09:40 pm
Wat is with the 200 Pierce damage when he turns around in the last second??

It's 36cm. Will be easy to escape once you recognize. And if he fail you'll probably kill him back because the boast is only for 1-2 seconds. A normal dagger on his hand with no chance of blocking.

This isn't TF2 and you're not a spy.

I told you i am not a stealth killer but it can be fun to see ssassins. Or maybe a guild comes next: Hassan Sabbah! :)
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Darkkarma on January 21, 2011, 08:53:55 pm
This isn't TF2 and you're not a spy.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Welcome_To_Hell on January 21, 2011, 10:06:42 pm
There is a spy around here!

Would go hand in hand with the smokebomb suggestion, that way we could assassinate the whole team in the clusterfuck. Also add an invisibility cloak for ninjas. Don't forget to add polevault mode for pikes.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Formless on January 21, 2011, 10:13:20 pm
Sure why not, you already have barmaces which are essentially 1 shot weapon that go thru shields and blocks why not 1 shot daggers.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: POOPHAMMER on January 21, 2011, 10:35:17 pm
Sure why not, you already have barmaces which are essentially 1 shot weapon that go thru shields and blocks why not 1 shot daggers.

I am having a hard time deciding if this is trolling or not. What are you, level 1?
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Meow on January 22, 2011, 12:46:14 am
Sure why not, you already have barmaces which are essentially 1 shot weapon that go thru shields and blocks why not 1 shot daggers.

you totally get a troll point for that :D

and please no assassin stuff we're on a friggin battlefield and i really don't want to see tincans with daggers sneaking around...
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Sultan Eren on January 22, 2011, 12:46:49 am
Sometimes when you thrust it dont cut the armor and there goes a sound like CHENN.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Thomek on January 22, 2011, 12:53:10 am
I suggested this a long time ago, to no avail.

I think it would be very awesome, (perfect for Ninjas) and realistic. A slow, light, only thrust weapon, made only for backstabbing, that can't block anything.

Realistic because if you were sneaking up on someone you should be able to find a crack in someones armor and stick your dagger straight through the neck or balls or somewhere.. xD

I also bet someone would find other creative uses for it, and killing with it in a serious fight would be somewhat a prestige kill.

Make it happen! :-) Urist? Why not? :-)
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Kaelaen on January 22, 2011, 01:30:29 am
I'm all for it.  Once saw some guy running around with nothing but a dagger, picking off newbie archers much like myself.  I thought it was a pretty awesome play style.

Still, would it work wearing a shield?  I'm just having a very hard time picturing an assassin running around with shields - hell the guy I mentioned didn't and he did fine.  I don't have a problem with shield + dagger as a play style but if they suddenly get this ability then fighting 1-handers might become... well, different.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Xant on January 22, 2011, 01:38:09 am
WORST SUGGESTION EVER and im only 12

(we really don't need all this gimmicky shit for "ninjas" though I wouldn't mind a higher damage dagger that can't block, but not 1 hit kill)
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Thomek on January 22, 2011, 01:58:15 am
It's not gimmicky shit for Ninjas.

Knights always carried a dagger too, to finish off other knights fallen to the ground. To stick it between the slits of their vizier, to fight when they fell down in a wrestle on the ground. (Where your polearm or whatever wasn't much use, and trying to kill someone in armor with your hands might not be very efficient..)

In your face bro! (I mean the dagger)

Bring the deadly dagger on!
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Sultan Eren on January 22, 2011, 02:34:42 am
Additional use:

When someone knock you down with a maul-like weapon, weapon automaticly changes to this dagger with 200pierce boast for 2 seconds. If you can thrust you survive unless you die.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: huscarl_johnson on January 22, 2011, 02:53:22 am
This isn't TF2 and you're not a spy.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Camaris on January 22, 2011, 11:13:06 am
Im totally for that idea.... can we make that weapon throwing?
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Darkkarma on January 22, 2011, 02:11:49 pm
Additional use:

When someone knock you down with a maul-like weapon, weapon automaticly changes to this dagger with 200pierce boast for 2 seconds. If you can thrust you survive unless you die.

You probably even lost thomek after that one
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: weight on January 22, 2011, 02:45:19 pm
YES a lolstab dagger should totally be added.  :lol:
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Roran Hawkins on January 22, 2011, 10:19:32 pm
NO, because


-Everyone would use them
-We would see a lot of whine from the people not using them
-people taking 4 to ensure always having a 1-hitkill ready
-can you imagine a tiny little dagger killing a charger in 1 hit? or a solid wooden gate?
-What would become of strategus?
-BOOYAAA I HAVE A DAGGER I KILL U *naked dude with dagger 1-hits oversized2h spammer tincan*
-can you imagine a tiny little dagger destroying a steel shield in one hit? *scratch* *CRUMBLEBREAKEXPLODE* OH NOES!
-The list goes on and on

If you want daggers that onehit people, go play assassin's creed.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: zagibu on January 23, 2011, 02:50:55 am
Maybe dagger thrusts to the back should get a 5% chance of instant kill, but not more.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: ThePoopy on January 23, 2011, 03:52:58 am
SPYCHECK!
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Balton on January 23, 2011, 04:01:23 am
Rather than this, whenever you hit someone in the back it should be instant knockdown with any weapon. It's kind of unrealistic when you sneak up on someone lightly armored, hit him, and he is still alive. Besides, IRL if you got hit from behind with anything, you would be on the ground.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Thomek on January 23, 2011, 04:07:47 am
NO, because


-Everyone would use them
-We would see a lot of whine from the people not using them
-people taking 4 to ensure always having a 1-hitkill ready
-can you imagine a tiny little dagger killing a charger in 1 hit? or a solid wooden gate?
-What would become of strategus?
-BOOYAAA I HAVE A DAGGER I KILL U *naked dude with dagger 1-hits oversized2h spammer tincan*
-can you imagine a tiny little dagger destroying a steel shield in one hit? *scratch* *CRUMBLEBREAKEXPLODE* OH NOES!
-The list goes on and on

If you want daggers that onehit people, go play assassin's creed.

I think we are imagining different things here:

- Everyone that have free slots  and found them cost-effective would use them
- Don't think they should be 1shot only. Multiple use FTW!
- They would be so slow and not powerful enough to kill chargers in 1 kill. Of course they must have a certain damage.. Just enough to 1 shot the average archer with a well placed hit to the head.
- Strategus?? Good luck in sneaking up behind an archer there
- Not possible, the dagger shoulnd't have enough damage potential, range or speed, to make that a very likely hit anyway.
- A dagger that you can't block with against a steel shield user. Again, I think we are imagining different things here.

Let me suggest some stats and compare it to the dagger we have now:

Long Dagger   
Cost: 300   
weight 0.25
requirement 0
spd rtng 112
weapon length 47
swing damage 23, cut
thrust damage 25 pierce

New Backstabbing Dagger
Cost: 3500
weight 0.25
requirement 0
spd rtng 60
weapon length 18
swing damage NA
thrust damage 36 pierce

Just for reference, would you not rather bring this?

Awlpike   
cost 4532   
weight 2
requirement 8
spd rtng 92
weapon length 165
swing damage 17, blunt
thrust damage 33 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Penalty with Shield (also range bonus with shield however)

The damage potential of the dagger can be argued by the accuracy that you can wield it with. The speed by the time it takes to find a crack in someones armor.

Sure it will be a gimmick weapon for very specific situations, but I think it would be both FUN and realistic. (somehow)

Why are you so negative?
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Siiem on January 23, 2011, 04:11:56 am
This is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Thomek on January 23, 2011, 04:15:03 am
lolwut?

Why Siiem?

If anyone is able to use a wep they can't block with that has 60 speed and 18 range successfully in combat.. Well congrats. It won't happen, and if so, well deserved.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: EponiCo on January 23, 2011, 04:57:59 am
Since armor is lighter normal long dagger should be able to 1 hit kill many a standing person with strong character and good aiming.
If not at least damage enough so 1 or 2 slashes finish him. Don't know, try it on the duel server.
A onehanded guaranteed oneshot weapon ... well, I just think of the guy who'd always have the huscarl shield up when you faced him and the hammer when you looked away.

edit: A dagger with lower speed (normal 1h speed) and higher damage wouldn't hurt though.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: Death_Dealer on January 27, 2011, 11:04:20 pm
aiming sounds better than a speacial dagger for assasins i think. a "slice throat" think can be added like "head shot" of the missilers, if u are behind someone u can easily aim his neck it should work with all sharp edged weapons of course in a face to face fight it can happen too. if his neck is not protected by a metal armor. a bevor for example.
Title: Re: Assassin Dagger (One thrust One kill)
Post by: bruce on January 28, 2011, 04:21:31 pm
But archers always die with one hit to the head with just about any weapon unless you're a agiwhore.