cRPG
cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Punisher on August 17, 2011, 01:47:52 pm
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Autobalance settings have been changed for the official servers, so as of today we have the following:
EU_cRPG_1 (120 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_2 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_4 (50 slot Battle) - Strict Autobalance
EU_cRPG_5 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_7 (80 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
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Interesting. I might go to EU 4 and 5 just to try it out some time.
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More balance, less multis :(
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More balance, less multis :(
Less bitching!
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lol, byzantines still only play on 1
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lol, byzantines still only play on 1
Why would they switch? Imo, Banner Balance is for clans, Strict Balance is for clanless (newbies) :D
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Last night there were like 30 BashiBazouks online. They aren't that much of an problem individually but their numbers were far too great for enemy team to have the slightest chance to win. Same goes for every clans which can summon more than 10 capable players at the same time.
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The problem weren't the Bashibazookas playing as a team, but the times when the GK were on the same team, aka full cav team plus organized clan.
And this is something to be sorted out, "class" balancing.
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The problem weren't the Bashibazookas playing as a team, but the times when the GK were on the same team, aka full cav team plus organized clan.
And this is something to be sorted out, "class" balancing.
Yeah.
No matter the clan, ranged and cavalry should be balanced out equally between teams.
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Yet an organised infantry clan won't have the same affect?
Lmao stupid idea. Organised cav is no different from organised inf. Leave banner balance on one and normal balance on the other. GK have the right to be banner balanced as well. If you want to beat us (rather than let us roll a x5 for 3 hours :lol:), organise yourselves, particularly if you're another clan.
Class balancing should only work on normal autobalance servers. If you're a good clan, you'll be able to beat a concentration of one type of class on a banner balanced server.
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Good, now we can see less stupid bitch threads about BB.
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So what is the difference between autobalance by banner and strict autobalance?
Something I miss is strict autobalance by banner. That is, everyone with the same banner on the same team, if possible that is (even teams by numbers). That is something that rarely happens no matter which server I play on.
I also disagree that ranged and cav are superior, because they are not. Just take your 2H team inside some building or other part of the map where you get the advantage. Pretty simple.
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Strict autobalance is the normal autobalance, that doesn't use banners as a balancing factor.
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What happens is everyone chooses the same banner? How are they split up then?
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What happens is everyone chooses the same banner? How are they split up then?
They just get ripped apart then.
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The problem weren't the Bashibazookas playing as a team, but the times when the GK were on the same team, aka full cav team plus organized clan.
And this is something to be sorted out, "class" balancing.
When the enemy goes mostly cav, sure they're more powerful against a normal team. But anybody with half a brain could figure out to start bringing plenty of pikes and long spears, and then the infantry team would have the advantage. Unfortunately, a significant portion of crpg doesn't have half a brain.
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Unfortunately, a significant portion of crpg doesn't want to use more than half their brain when playing a computer game for relaxing.
Fixed :wink:
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To be fair, I don't think any warband game or mod is a good one if you don't want to think at all, unless you really don't mind dying a lot... There are better games that require less thought while still allowing you to murder something.
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I think you're playing too much with the friendly archer squad!
I do think most people don't have the dedication to play like that... they just rush in and try to kill the first thing they come across or loosely follow their team until that happen...
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Oh, right... :( What we call casual play and "goofing off" is still considered "work" by most others... :|
Eh.... Carry on then.
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Ahh.. I always liked your classic avatar Tears... but why change now!
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Ahh.. I always liked your classic avatar Tears... but why change now!
Yeah, the old avatar gives him some kind of credibility. Totally trollunlike...
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When the enemy goes mostly cav, sure they're more powerful against a normal team. But anybody with half a brain could figure out to start bringing plenty of pikes and long spears, and then the infantry team would have the advantage. Unfortunately, a significant portion of crpg doesn't have half a brain.
Yeah, yeah, everyone with any spec possible has to grab a fucking polearm to be able to survive at least for a while, retarded.
If i choose to play shielder, i did cause i wanted guess what? I WANTED TO USE SHIELD AND WEAPON, not a pike.
If i choose to play 2her, i did cause i wanted guess what? Run around with badass 2h sword and look ugly, not to carry around a pike.
If i choose to be polearmer, then i am fine.
See my point? Making people use stuff they did not want to originally play with is just retarded. I do understand that adapting to situation is okay, but i do not like to be forced to different playstyle just cause the balance puts all the clans on one side and i am screwed with randoms. Awesome.
But, i guess ill just sport GK banner, why not, i am a freelancer now.
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Yeah, yeah, everyone with any spec possible has to grab a fucking polearm to be able to survive at least for a while, retarded.
If i choose to play shielder, i did cause i wanted guess what? I WANTED TO USE SHIELD AND WEAPON, not a pike.
If i choose to play 2her, i did cause i wanted guess what? Run around with badass 2h sword and look ugly, not to carry around a pike.
If i choose to be polearmer, then i am fine.
See my point? Making people use stuff they did not want to originally play with is just retarded. I do understand that adapting to situation is okay, but i do not like to be forced to different playstyle just cause the balance puts all the clans on one side and i am screwed with randoms. Awesome.
But, i guess ill just sport GK banner, why not, i am a freelancer now.
2h and polearm have to take a shield or armour because of archers. Unless you're a douche 2h you don't need a pike...they are better than a lot of polearms for tackling cav.
Unfortunately if you want to win, that's what you have to do. Even with strict balance and not banner balance and GK not all on at the same time, there can be cav heavy teams, archer heavy teams ect ect. So dumb argument really.
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2h and polearm have to take a shield or armour because of archers. Unless you're a douche 2h you don't need a pike...they are better than a lot of polearms for tackling cav.
Unfortunately if you want to win, that's what you have to do. Even with strict balance and not banner balance and GK not all on at the same time, there can be cav heavy teams, archer heavy teams ect ect. So dumb argument really.
still smarter than just telling everyone to play different class, if they want to actually win
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still smarter than just telling everyone to play different class, if they want to actually win
Not play a different class. Just load up a support weapon of some kind on top of your main. Hell you don't even have to have wpf in it. It's really not that difficult. Either that or play as a team and stay with a pikeman, rather than run off on your own.
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Not play a different class. Just load up a support weapon of some kind on top of your main. Hell you don't even have to have wpf in it. It's really not that difficult. Either that or play as a team and stay with a pikeman, rather than run off on your own.
The thing is, this takes out my versatility, i used to carry around sword and some crushing weapon, now i am forced to use pole in order to be effective or somewhat useable, which is bad. And yes, i can use it even with 1wpf, but then when i dismount someone i am either screwed as i cannot do shit 1v1 with a pike, or try to swap to sword just to be raped by other cav, how cool is that? I see you are defending cav in particular, as you are GK, but this is not aimed against cav.
I just dont like when i am forced to play different style than i choose and evolved my char around.
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The thing is, this takes out my versatility, i used to carry around sword and some crushing weapon, now i am forced to use pole in order to be effective or somewhat useable, which is bad. And yes, i can use it even with 1wpf, but then when i dismount someone i am either screwed as i cannot do shit 1v1 with a pike, or try to swap to sword just to be raped by other cav, how cool is that? I see you are defending cav in particular, as you are GK, but this is not aimed against cav.
I just dont like when i am forced to play different style than i choose and evolved my char around.
I am defending cav because you were directing your post at GK.
But anyway, crpg is largely a clan game. If you don't like the fact certain clans roll a particular class, play a different server for a time. Load up an alt. Bring a different weapon. Work more with your team. There are any number of solutions. Unfortunately being an all round build in crpg means you will die to everything. Specialising as a 2h ect means you have to be skilled to be able to tackle everything the game throws at you. So develop your skill more if you find it such an issue. Hybrids aren't such an option as they used to be, so if you want versatility, become good, or you're in the wrong place.
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I am defending cav because you were directing your post at GK.
But anyway, crpg is largely a clan game. If you don't like the fact certain clans roll a particular class, play a different server for a time. Load up an alt. Bring a different weapon. Work more with your team. There are any number of solutions. Unfortunately being an all round build in crpg means you will die to everything. Specialising as a 2h ect means you have to be skilled to be able to tackle everything the game throws at you. So develop your skill more if you find it such an issue. Hybrids aren't such an option as they used to be, so if you want versatility, become good, or you're in the wrong place.
my clan just died, that is for playing with a team :( but yeah, might just stick to fire and sword captain coop, that shit entertains me way more than crpg in this state :(
not everyone is skilled enuff to be accepted to some clan or meet the time requirements :(
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my clan just died, that is for playing with a team :( but yeah, might just stick to fire and sword captain coop, that shit entertains me way more than crpg in this state :(
not everyone is skilled enuff to be accepted to some clan or meet the time requirements :(
Depends on the clan. GK let people in fairly easily as long as their main is dedicated cav and they can stick with the theme. We don't really have time requirements either. Just a bunch of us will happen to play at the same time, seeing as we are all EU, that happens quite often. As for strat, we don't make everyone load up strat, it's optional.
You just have to find the right clan for you.
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Depends on the clan. GK let people in fairly easily as long as their main is dedicated cav and they can stick with the theme. We don't really have time requirements either. Just a bunch of us will happen to play at the same time, seeing as we are all EU, that happens quite often. As for strat, we don't make everyone load up strat, it's optional.
You just have to find the right clan for you.
that is gonna be hard after being in such awesome environment :mrgreen:
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Yeah.
No matter the clan, ranged and cavalry should be balanced out equally between teams.
quote for truth !
but nooo people will always say excuses to milky milk the multi :D its a war clanless people cannot win ,
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im just going to start wearing the banner of the dominating clan on the banner server,
simple solution.
LMFAO EDIT: just put on grey's banner and went 4 siege maps with x5. will definitely be doing this more
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Why would they switch? Imo, Banner Balance is for clans, Strict Balance is for clanless (newbies) :D
sure. _LaHire_ is a noob, RageGuy is a noob, Biafra is a noob, _Bloodyman is a noob, etc...
im just going to start wearing the banner of the dominating clan on the banner server,
simple solution.
yeah i thought the same too. it's just too much frustrating being steamrolled over and over.
Autobalance settings have been changed for the official servers, so as of today we have the following:
EU_cRPG_1 (120 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_2 (120 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_4 (50 slot Battle) - Strict Autobalance
EU_cRPG_5 (80 slot Siege) - Strict Autobalance
thanks a lot sir. i'll stick with 4 and 5 while some infamous clan go gankrape 24 7 the EU_2
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Acctualy it is pretty annoying.... I must play all map (an example from today) against my clanmates because there was a lot of casual players which used our banner and this realy sucks.
A mod (cRPG&Strategus) made in my opinion mostly for clans.
Server with bannerbalance intended for clans.
And I play Warband not for my own k/d ratio or to be Hero or something. I play Warband because I want to play with friends, for teamworking....and I can't because some people specially use our banner, not they like it or it is cool but to be in our team. This is crappy behavior.
PS People which exploit bug - hitting through the doors - also sucks.
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Acctualy it is pretty annoying.... I must play all map (an example from today) against my clanmates because there was a lot of casual players which used our banner and this realy sucks.
A mod (cRPG&Strategus) made in my opinion mostly for clans.
Server with bannerbalance intended for clans.
And I play Warband not for my own k/d ratio or to be Hero or something. I play Warband because I want to play with friends, for teamworking....and I can't because some people specially use our banner, not they like it or it is cool but to be in our team. This is crappy behavior.
PS People which exploit bug - hitting through the doors - also sucks.
if you want team work that is what Strategus is for.
i dont see how it is fun 9-10 level 30 builds with team speak one hitting beginners.
banner blance is the biggest oxymoron i have ever see, what a joke.
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Acctualy it is pretty annoying.... I must play all map (an example from today) against my clanmates because there was a lot of casual players which used our banner and this realy sucks.
A mod (cRPG&Strategus) made in my opinion mostly for clans.
Server with bannerbalance intended for clans.
And I play Warband not for my own k/d ratio or to be Hero or something. I play Warband because I want to play with friends, for teamworking....and I can't because some people specially use our banner, not they like it or it is cool but to be in our team. This is crappy behavior.
PS People which exploit bug - hitting through the doors - also sucks.
I seen on this boards more than one time recommendation to just adapt, so, people do adapt, get over it. Yeah, it is sucky, but, if you want to have chance to win, there is no other way. Banner balance was put to allow clans to play together, yes, but when all the clans are stacked on one team, where is the fun in that? I do not like to try to come out with something to beat 40organized people, or more smaller groups of organized guys, with a bunch of randoms who do not care. Ill better just pop a banner u use, or merc, or hre, or anyone, so i could at least have a chance to see some multi.
Either somehow fix clanstacking on one team, or make the balance take a class into account too (even tho i dont have any idea if this is doableú
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Acctualy it is pretty annoying.... I must play all map (an example from today) against my clanmates because there was a lot of casual players which used our banner and this realy sucks.
A mod (cRPG&Strategus) made in my opinion mostly for clans.
Server with bannerbalance intended for clans.
And I play Warband not for my own k/d ratio or to be Hero or something. I play Warband because I want to play with friends, for teamworking....and I can't because some people specially use our banner, not they like it or it is cool but to be in our team. This is crappy behavior.
PS People which exploit bug - hitting through the doors - also sucks.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
so when occasionally you can't get switched with your mates because you're too many, it's the bannerbalance fault?
but
PS People which exploit bug - hitting through the doors - also sucks.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
after exploiting:
- autobalance (spec rejoin spec rejoin)
- ~ 10-15 construction sites (around flag, at backdoor, at small gates, at stairs...)
- ladders on the flag's pole
omg i can't stand still... help... :lol:
if you want team work that is what Strategus is for.
i dont see how it is fun 9-10 level 30 builds with team speak one hitting beginners.
banner blance is the biggest oxymoron i have ever see, what a joke.
fun? where is the fun playing with a full team clanstacked against a full team of mixed? there is none. but seems they enjoy more the fixed x5. you know... lot of money, lot of xp...
that's another reason i don't play siege anymore. mixed battle players leech less, average skill is little better than siege. so you can still aim to win against some clanstackers... and there aren't so many like you know.. some clan sieging almost empty servers 24/7
i still thanks a lot punisher to setup server 4 and 5 with no bannerbalance. i'll enjoy siege again. thanks a lot.
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I dont like banner (im)balance.
I can see the point, that clanmembers, which are often in teamspeak also, want to play in the same team. But the game is not only for clans.
For example, if a bunch of greys are on the siege servers, its an autowin for their team. You just cant beat them with a team of casuals.
And dont say "then you must use a better tactic". Ever tried to organize a random team just by typing in chat vs. a team with 10 experienced players with TS? It works maybe 1 out of 10 times.
And seriously, this:
LMFAO EDIT: just put on grey's banner and went 4 siege maps with x5. will definitely be doing this more
should not be the solution.
It shouldnt be a big problem for clanmembers to play some rounds vs other clanmembers.
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I loved hunting down other bandits and loling at them on TS, or being raped by them and having to swallow their mocking, but man, that WAS fun. :)
Anyways, banner balance as it is now is more of a bad thing than improvement. Yeah, clans are good and shit, but you should not force people to join a clan to be able to have fun on battle/siege. And yes, getting steamrolled by a clanstacked teams is not fun.
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EU2 is back to 80 slots. Activated banner balance on EU5 so the servers are basically running the same config.
Hopefully we will have 2 populated siege servers rather then one full and the other almost empty all the time.
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So now that we've seen that banner balance was not the reason why eu5 was empty, can you turn it back off?