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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nasturtium on August 10, 2011, 04:59:46 pm
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It is great to have a 120 man server to play on, and I have been having fun, but I have several major concerns and questions I would like to address and have addressed. Please do not use this thread to bring up peripheral issues involving the state of NA servers, my intent is to bring up real issues in hopes of helping the admins resolve them, thank you.
1. Lack of aggressive admin oversight: I have seen a ton of leeching, racism ,camping in unreachable spots and general shananagins going on with little to no response from the small group of admins.
Q: Are there any more plans to bring in more ancillary admins into the server? Is the drive to keep the keys to the server under lock and key by not naming more admins hurting the server? Why are players getting away with so much BS?
2. The map rotation is broken and needs fixing: Many of the maps are ok, but I am sure everyone will agree that there are too many large open maps where both sides get lost, and half the round is spent watching some afk player autorun into the map edge. There also seems to be many maps with ridiculous elevation changes, and maps with the spawns much too far away from eachother. Many of the native maps have already been tweaked for balance by the mapping community, but have been reverted to the old broken spawns.
Q: We have a huge and active custom map making community, are there any plans to incorporate the more popular of these maps into the rotation? If not why? Who is in control of the rotation and why have they made little to no effort to engage our mapping community?
There are more issues, but the ones stated here are the most pressing ones. If anyone knows for certain the answer to these questions, please respond, if you have unfocused, non constructive criticism, go elsewhere please.
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1. Lack of aggressive admin oversight: I have seen a ton of leeching, racism ,camping in unreachable spots and general shananagins going on with little to no response from the small group of admins.
Q: Are there any more plans to bring in more ancillary admins into the server? Is the drive to keep the keys to the server under lock and key by not naming more admins hurting the server? Why are players getting away with so much BS?
Players are getting away with unusal amounts of BS because it is a new group of admins and some people are still hesitant to use their powers as they are new. I also was in a rather good mood and prefering to warn people before kicking etc. I basically have been giving everyone a "fresh start" on the servers, and keeping a mental list of repeat offenders, so that is why I did not ban the infamous Goatek instantly for leeching, and actually issued a few warnings first. Now though repeat offenders are pretty much being nailed consistently (at least when I am playing).
As for the lack of Admins, I think they want to make sure that we are reliable before they try and graduate a second batch of admins, hence why we do not have full powers nor yellow official pips yet. The server is still rather new I think.
Also, I highly encourage people to use the I key more often to inform us when something is going on, as I can not watch everything at the same time.
2. The map rotation is broken and needs fixing: Many of the maps are ok, but I am sure everyone will agree that there are too many large open maps where both sides get lost, and half the round is spent watching some afk player autorun into the map edge. There also seems to be many maps with ridiculous elevation changes, and maps with the spawns much too far away from eachother. Many of the native maps have already been tweaked for balance by the mapping community, but have been reverted to the old broken spawns.
Q: We have a huge and active custom map making community, are there any plans to incorporate the more popular of these maps into the rotation? If not why? Who is in control of the rotation and why have they made little to no effort to engage our mapping community?
This can be blamed fully on the Official NA servers using the EU maps... which shows that they have a strange love interest in massive open maps with lots of villages, and only a handful of maps that break this... I don't know why they like those maps, but I do agree that the majority of NA thinks they get old and pretty fast... I would love to see new maps.
I have mentioned many times using my Pink Text Powers that I encourage anyone to try and make a map, and post it for consideration to be inserted into the map rotation. This offer still stands, though I promise nothing. I would encourage more people to make more maps that are not open flat plains with a random village in the middle, for the NA servers. If it is awesome enough, perhaps it will be incorporated into the map rotation.
All in all I will start cracking down harder on people and bask in the innumerable complaints of "You can't ban me for that I have always done that! yadda yadda yadda, rabble rabble rabble!"
Regardless, I have banned a dozen and a half people in the past week, so I am not sure it can be said that I have been too lax. I was afraid of taking up half the ban list actually...
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Here is my stance, give or take:
- Permanent Bans on offensive names will be handed out.
- Racism is handed an initial 1 week ban.
- Leeching is given warnings, a kick, then a 3 day ban.
- TKing is given warnings and then a 3 day ban.
- Griefing is warnings, then a kick, then a couple days depending on what they do.
- Chat abuse (slurs etc) are warnings then a mute. I hand out mutes freely, like it or not. You can still play just fine with a mute. You get a ban if I am tired of having to mute you every time I log on.
- Exploitation is a 5 day ban for small things like camping flag with enemy at siege to leech forever, or longer if you did something truely stupid.
Obviously repeat offenders earn special points for longer bans.
I don't know how this compares to others, but there you go.[/list][/list][/list][/list]
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Thank you for the great response Tears, I appreciate you taking the time.
I have mentioned many times using my Pink Text Powers that I encourage anyone to try and make a map, and post it for consideration to be inserted into the map rotation. This offer still stands, though I promise nothing. I would encourage more people to make more maps that are not open flat plains with a random village in the middle, for the NA servers. If it is awesome enough, perhaps it will be incorporated into the map rotation.
Does this mean you are the one in control of the map rotation? If so I am sure you are aware of the hundreds of maps that are in the scene editing subforums, under the (neglected, it takes me hours to update) 'finished maps' thread sticky. If you would like a rundown of the better ones I would be happy to oblige, or you could just look through them. Leaving it up to the mappers to contact you with each new map seems like reinventing the wheel, and is a dark road you might not want to go down (ask Airith). There are many maps that have already been tried and failed, so please try to be somewhat disseminating in your selections. Cheers!
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I am not in charge of the map rotation, though the same guidlines for getting maps into EU likely hold true for NA.
I would recommend contacting Shik on questions about that as the NA servers are her project last I checked.
I could push for a stickied topic for NA Official map submissions, that may help. I don't blame mappers being hesitant/confused as right now it is a little mysterious on how to submitt new maps and such.
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lol "tweaked for balance", most of the maps on the ATS community servers are awful, it is very refreshing to play some better maps that aren't designed around forcing players to fight in a tiny box in order to get the most xp. This is a big reason I think why EU players tend to favor characters with high agi and athletics.
Let's give each admin a banning quota, 5 players a week at least.
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You... are confused.
Maps have not been designed that way for months, almost every single map int he NA100 that is not a native map has been deigned by both eu and na map makers. There are some good maps and bad maps, but the rotation is constantly modified.
It is nice to have wide open maps now and again, and a good balance overall, but if you lean too heavily in a direction the server becomes uninteresting.
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Shik is in Europe and won't tell us why because she likes to shirk her duties.
+1 for Tears head NA admin.
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I support the Tears agenda.
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2. The map rotation is broken and needs fixing: Many of the maps are ok, but I am sure everyone will agree that there are too many large open maps where both sides get lost, and half the round is spent watching some afk player autorun into the map edge. There also seems to be many maps with ridiculous elevation changes, and maps with the spawns much too far away from eachother. Many of the native maps have already been tweaked for balance by the mapping community, but have been reverted to the old broken spawns.
That's the big reason why I don't like to play on the official servers. The maps are overall TERRIBLE. It gets annoying constantly running up hills, scouring the far corners of the maps for stragglers and god forbid there's fog...
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Agreed maps are GOD awful ESPECIALLY when fog is on, it ends up in 2-3 rounds taking 4 minutes just for the majority of players to find each other until people learn where the spawns are. It's retarded and I agree the Battle Community has FAR better versions of native maps and custom.
EDIT: Far to many hilly maps, or open maps where your attacking a village and you gotta run up a 200ft open field to get to a defend village. Maybe It's just my opinion but as a archer this is nearly impossible with all of the cavalry, and archers shooting on me while I move and I think 2hander's or anyone without a shield can say the same. *Don't say work together with the community as it rarely happens*.
I also agree on the lack of admins. Many times I have seen someone afk run at a start of a round then be the last one alive on a edge of the map and no one can find him, or just people who are afk.
Something needs to be done for both of these issues as I think its seriously driving away the population. I know there have been PLENTY of times where I would get off the server just for 1-2 maps as they were horrible.
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Some spawn points could be moved around a bit so it isn't always one team in a plain and the other in a town. I'm also usually annoyed by maps that are too hilly, I don't think anyone enjoys fighting at 1/10th the speed. However, the overall map aesthetic is SO much better then ATS rotation, which is full of camped corridors and campable rooftops where the annoying NA playstyles of delaying with arbalests and strength stacked close quarters shielders/whatever ruin the matches. If you want those maps, play on another server??
I agree that some more custom maps could be added, but god forbid the maps are now actual medieval battlefield styled maps instead of DE_Dust2 copy and pasted a hundred times. Mostly, you guys are all just terrified of cavalry, who can actually influence the matches now since the ranged can't (as often) camp inaccessible places.
Eventually it would be ideal if there was a nice variety, but if the official server only concentrated on uploading QUALITY maps of any variety, it'd be great.
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Great points, I agree, quality maps only. Also, the victory flag locations need changing drastically.
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I would gladly be an NA admin, but i'll be really heavy handed because i hate leachers/retards that stand on ladders/delayers etc etc.
I would probably goretooth it up because warband+stupids make me rage hard
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I would gladly be an NA admin, but i'll be really heavy handed because i hate leachers/retards that stand on ladders/delayers etc etc.
I would probably goretooth it up because warband+stupids make me rage hard
Exactly why you shouldn't be admin, no offence. There are a lot of "stupids" in Warband.
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Anyone is better then the current NA Official administration. If tears wants to give the time, give him a shot!
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Anyone is better then the current NA Official administration. If tears wants to give the time, give him a shot!
Anyone who doesn't have a name of LLJK_Zealot
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LLJK and ATS cannot be trusted, you must seek help outside of the Evil empires! The rebellion will bring freedom to the people!
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What is all of this rebellion talk that I hear of? What was the catalyst?
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I think the maps on the server are fine in small doses but I can't tell one from another and there are too many. The only thing I know is that the spawns are fucked. Its always one team in a village while another team has to scale a steep hill or run for two minutes out in no mans land while the village team picks them off.
I'd also like the map to change after the first team gets 3 wins instead of 4, like the servers all used to be. I don't really want to play the same map 7 times in a row.
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I'm thinking that the differing metagames between EU and NA (STR heavy) has a lot to do with the map rotations. The official NA servers are using the official EU server map rotations, and yeah, they're a lot bigger and more open than the ones we're used to from the ATS servers. It makes sense that EU has a lot more AGI builds, and NA has a lot more STR builds.
If the map rotation for official NA doesn't change, and the players actually manage to adapt (they're pretty stubborn), then I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a movement toward more AGI builds.
Tears got it spot on for me as an admin. I'm new, and still getting used to the tools at my disposal. I'm still developing my mental list of troublesome characters and reliable I-chatters. I find that no matter what you do as an admin, some people will approve, and some will not, whether they say its too lenient or too harsh. I'm not a huge fan of kicking because the worst it does is you lose a multi and have to reconnect, so I'll probably dish out 1 hour or less temp-bans.
The admin tools leave a lot to be desired, though I understand we still don't have full admin powers. I once accidentally tempbanned someone because I thought they were trying to TK a guy they'd reportedly teamwounded before, only to find out that they weren't on the same team, but I couldn't tell because in spectator mode, nobody has banners.
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I've enjoyed seeing a lot more warnings than bans on these servers, but I don't play at prime time, so maybe I don't see the worst of it.
I'm just happy to be playing on the original Village again.
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Only map troubles I really have is the native maps, like battle on ice. Mostly due to playing on it so much before it boring. Or the hill. You know the one, where both teams have to scale a giant hill with a ruined fort to get to each other.
Personally, I like the open feel of the maps. Much more options to the player than choosing left corridor or right corridor.
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I'll agree with the rotation, its pretty awful. There were a few fun village attack type maps, but the maps were too big to begin with or one side clearly had a insanely unbalanced favorable position to start with vs the other team out in the open.
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The admins on the NA Official servers due a pretty good job, some are too lenient or like seeing their colored text too much maybe. Normally a warning from Tears for example clears everything up. Popping into IRC and letting admins know or specifically for me, Smooth and Phantom, normally gets any shenanigans going on fixed within a minute or two. The chat is more free, so I can see where you are coming from there.
I would much prefer the way the current group of admins handle things than the heavy handed admins and even rage banners of other servers.
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As a balanced 18/21 7ath build who specializes in cav hunting, I have to say that I detest the EU maps. I'm not slow, I'm not vulnerable to cav, it's just that taking 2 minutes to run across open fields, up mountains, and trying to flank villages is boring as hell. Yes, I do base my engagement strategies around flanking and avoiding frontal conflict, but even on my 10 ath alt it frequently takes me upwards of 1:30 to maneuver into striking position. I like the custom maps from the community because they offer variety, yes there are many smaller maps and many city style maps, but there are also many excellent open maps out there and it's a shame that they're not being used.
To those that say the open maps will result in the number of strength builds decreasing: I believe that new players may steer away from walking meat tanks, however I also know that the vast ranges of open space with no cover on many of the EU style maps results in archers becoming increasingly lethal, even while single. I fear that the unbroken cycles of village/plain maps will lead to a drastic increase in the amount of ranged players, and that in response those who do not take up shields will rely on armor and hp to a greater extent than what we presently see. I also think that it is safe to assume that those who have spent time heirlooming armor and weapons for their build will avoid change at all costs, in order to preserve their time investments.
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This is not a game balance thread, this was intended as a thread to make whoever is in charge of controlling admins and the map rotation knows that there are issues, and have them respond, please keep your asides elsewhere.
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This isn't a thread for LLJK and NE to bitch at each other?
You sure fooled me.
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I agree with the admin problem. Seriously, Gaga and Smoothrich? They can't do the job half the time (figuratively, maybe more or less).
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This isn't a thread for LLJK and NE to bitch at each other?
You sure fooled me.
No, no it is not, read the OP. If you want to Bitch at eachother do it somewhere else please.
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I agree with the admin problem. Seriously, Gaga and Smoothrich? They can't do the job half the time (figuratively, maybe more or less).
There should be an Admin Abuse section for admins who don't do their job. It's almost as bad as admins who do it too much.
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There should be an Admin Abuse section for admins who don't do their job. It's almost as bad as admins who do it too much.
I would suggest this forum:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,47.0.html
Not doing a job is abuse of powers by abuse of a position.
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Would someone who knows him please message Mr.Shik and make him aware of this thread? All discussion is meaningless without answers to these questions by whoever is in charge of the server. Thank you.
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Would someone who knows him please message Mrs.Shik and make him aware of this thread? All discussion is meaningless without answers to these questions by whoever is in charge of the server. Thank you.
Fixed
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Fixed
Shik is now married?
Don't you mean Ms?
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Hey, if someone has a problem with me and what I'm doing wrong as an admin, please elaborate a bit. I know Miley dislikes me because one day I accidently teamkilled him as cav a bunch of times, but I try to play much more conservatively now as to not make people mad and displace their feelings on me as a player into feelings on me as admin. I certainly am always checking admin chat, always am in IRC to receive complaints, actively prevent leeching, delaying, and take prompt action against any disruptive players, like the KKK clan that just caused a ruckus yesterday. If there are suggestions to improve the administration I'd like to hear them, because believe it or not I want to create an enjoyable environment for everyone first and foremost. In my perspective, the server has been pretty troll and griefing free (when I'm on at least), with little to no questionable bans by our admins.
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Shik is now married?
Don't you mean Ms?
Probaly but ill stick to mrs till the day i die.
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The current administration is to blame for our terrible financial situation.
Downer for Admin in 2012.
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BIRD CLAN
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BIRD CLAN
I agree.
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Hey, if someone has a problem with me and what I'm doing wrong as an admin, please elaborate a bit. I know Miley dislikes me because one day I accidently teamkilled him as cav a bunch of times, but I try to play much more conservatively now as to not make people mad and displace their feelings on me as a player into feelings on me as admin. I certainly am always checking admin chat, always am in IRC to receive complaints, actively prevent leeching, delaying, and take prompt action against any disruptive players, like the KKK clan that just caused a ruckus yesterday. If there are suggestions to improve the administration I'd like to hear them, because believe it or not I want to create an enjoyable environment for everyone first and foremost. In my perspective, the server has been pretty troll and griefing free (when I'm on at least), with little to no questionable bans by our admins.
You team killed and team wounded me countless time in a brief period of time, and you were kicked by PhantomZero for it. You also continue to be careless, not care about where you go with your horse, and who you lance with it, so why should you be in charge of that?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be admin, but you should at least follow the rules that you enforce.
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I am having some issues with my computer since a week and can't administrate the servers for now. Should be back in soon.
+1 for Tears Of Destiny leading the official servers
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This is ridiculous, you're starting a fucking thread to hate on some servers due to map rotation, and admin abuse?
This server just started up, there are a lot of new and hesitant admins who don't understand their responsibilities, that's fine, but their going to learn. Fuck it hasn't even been a full month yet, so allow them time to learn. On the main points, there has been a notion that has been fondling around for some time, the idea of introducing new maps, a team to control said maps. This idea was put fourth by Ecko to Shik, Shik acknowledged it, and likes it, but currently he's busy/vacation/being of the male gender in Europe. This idea can be fondled more when he gets back, otherwise there is nothing else for it. Basically, different map rotation is a subject I'm sure the current NA administration can listen to, and take seriously. Basically what Tears said, anyone can suggest a map, it's not hard, bring one forward see if the spinner spins and lands on your color, as for more community integration with the servers administration and map rotation, that is also being handled by Shik, just be fucking patient.
I see the topic has drifted away from it's topic on map rotation, and inattentive admins to trying to "overthrow" the guy who was put in charge of picking every single admin, enjoying hours of community discussion with Ecko, Zealot, and some other random people who would take up hours of his time, communicating all of these ideas with chadz and back, implementing these suggestions, etc. Yeah, I'm sure this guy has done nothing in terms of administration, that was me being sarcastic, ha, ha. If you seriously think that Tears_of_Destiny is going to make a better "head administrator" than Shik, then I must be fucking out of my mind, because that's the dumbest fucking thing I've heard from this community, on the subject of community, ever. God knows I preach about community structure all the fucking time, and the game server is the heart of where it's built, careful building blocks have to be placed very neatly and tidy to make this structure come out just right, nice and stable, removing the architect and replacing him with the laborer is fucking stupid.
These servers have just gone up, plenty of new and fresh ideas to help build this community into a super tower, but it takes time, Shik gone to Europe is a delay we all have to deal with, have patience.
Anyone who doesn't have a name of LLJK_Zealot
I don't get it, is this an insult, or a compliment.
+1 for Tears Of Destiny leading the official servers
I have to believe you're trolling, or I'm going to get very upset.
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Laughing too hard to give a proper comment.
This thread certainly has deviated significantly from the original post.
Zealot, relax, you bring up good points but you blew up a bit too much there.
EDIT: The Original Poster did bring up valid concerns, and I don't think we should attack the OP for it, and instead just rationally and calmly bring up why and what is going on.
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Be upset, but its true. Tears would make an excellent lead admin. I'm not sure if he would WANT too, but if he did he sure in the hell do it better then any current admin to the server including shik.
EDIT - Just my 2 cents.
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Go Tears!
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You're fucking retarded, do you have any idea the hours Shik has already put into trying to build an NA community? This community cannot be this stupid that it's actually going to try and put a revolver to it's head and shoot itself.
No. Why is everybody trolling me.
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Laughing too hard to give a proper comment.
This thread certainly has deviated significantly from the original post.
Zealot, relax, you bring up good points but you blew up a bit too much there.
EDIT: The Original Poster did bring up valid concerns, and I don't think we should attack the OP for it, and instead just rationally and calmly bring up why and what is going on.
Just be careful, if you don't do it the way he wants tears, zealot might close down the LLJK...i mean Official servers. :lol:, sorry Zealot couldn't resist that one.
Tears would indeed be good for this. He's active on the forums, he invests time with the community, and who knows...maybe chadz would be willing to make more NA devs besides shik.
Shik, i'll be it a good admin, lost cred with me when told me to fuck off after i changed the server names upon his consistent requests.
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You're fucking retarded, do you have any idea the hours Shik has already put into trying to build an NA community? This community cannot be this stupid that it's actually going to try and put a revolver to it's head and shoot itself.
No. Why is everybody trolling me.
Because it's easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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I am normally polite in my post but this really got to me.
What the fuck is everyones problem, it is apparent to me that as a community we are incapable of holding a polite and relevant conversation
I will continue all further discussion in private, if any admin comes across this
Please lock and delete this post. Thank you -OP
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Give me the admin powers, I'll mute racism and keep the peace
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Wow man blow the fuck up a little?
This is supposed to be a serious thread (read: NOT TROLLING). The questions raised are not just one man spewing crap on the forums over his own personal opinions. The server has been up long enough for all of us who have no lives and play this game waaaaay too much (remember that is a lot of us) to see these issues.
These main 2 complaints have been enough for a lot of us in our teamspeak to often say "fuck this I'm changing servers". That's never a good thing and well worth a discussion.
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Tears does a great job being open and accessible to the community, and has much more of a public face then Shik. But Shik has been putting in as much effort as anyone could into getting these servers rolling, and has the developer relationship with chadz that will ensure things stay "official." I don't think Tears needs any sort of title or to displace Shik, but both should be acknowledged for their contributions to the community, and certainly wouldn't mind Tears getting more accessibility to things like name changes, ban lists, whatever to continue to be helpful for everybody.
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I want to pointedly remind everyone to stay on the original topic at hand, as it has nothing to do with who is in charge of the servers or who should be in charge.
Be nice, and be civil.
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I want to pointedly remind everyone to stay on the original topic at hand, as it has nothing to due to who is in charge of the servers or who should be in charge.
Be nice, and be civil.
It was civil until a certain someone had to burst in with his mass hatred...
Which of course caused most of the drama from the last few pages.
Then again this is NA we're talking about...it's filled with dramallamas.
Also this:
Tears does a great job being open and accessible to the community, and has much more of a public face then Shik. But Shik has been putting in as much effort as anyone could into getting these servers rolling, and has the developer relationship with chadz that will ensure things stay "official." I don't think Tears needs any sort of title or to displace Shik, but both should be acknowledged for their contributions to the community, and certainly wouldn't mind Tears getting more accessibility to things like name changes, ban lists, whatever to continue to be helpful for everybody.
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Tears does a great job being open and accessible to the community, and has much more of a public face then Shik. But Shik has been putting in as much effort as anyone could into getting these servers rolling, and has the developer relationship with chadz that will ensure things stay "official." I don't think Tears needs any sort of title or to displace Shik, but both should be acknowledged for their contributions to the community, and certainly wouldn't mind Tears getting more accessibility to things like name changes, ban lists, whatever to continue to be helpful for everybody.
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Thread has been derailed, get back to topic guys. Zealot, no need to get so hostile and go in defensive mode, the community brought up valid complaints and just wanted a explanation from someone in authority. Hell even the servers future plans.
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I am normally polite in my post but this really got to me.
What the fuck is everyones problem, it is apparent to me that as a community we are incapable of holding a polite and relevant conversation
I will continue all further discussion in private, if any admin comes across this
Please lock and delete this post. Thank you -OP
I got mad at Ecko trying to displace Shik, because Shik won't listen to him, because he was a meanie, blah blah. School yard bullshit and he's going to try and shoot the community in the head, what kind of manipulative piece of shit are you.
I was not mad at Looshus, he brings up valid points, which ironically are being addressed, and looked into. I have the same concerns as he does about the maps, and get pretty annoyed with the open fielded maps sometimes, it's kind of annoying. I apologize if I gave off the wrong "vibe" to you sir, but I didn't mean it as hostility, it's just my usual way of how I convey words.
e: People trying to shit on what little ground we've made and actually developed in the NA community with official servers, makes, me, mad (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,11947.msg169348.html#msg169348).
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Well, one of the discussions here IS about administration, and Shik unfortunately can't be here to speak for himself, so things can be carried away. And yeah, I can be a bit smug about the current maps since I'm cavalry and have been screwed by most NA rotations in the past, but from day one I said NA players might start to be unhappy with the rotation, as many people are used to a different style of map. Things like mixing up the map rotation and changing spawns are all good ideas, but will take time and effort, and because of the great contributions some people make, will only take patience from you. So it'd be great if more feedback could be gathered, but without trolling and flaming (heh)
And Miley, sorry that I make you mad, I really try to avoid teammates and felt awful about all the times I accidently(!!) teamkilled you, but was tired and you move fast and erratic. I know well enough to leave those situations alone for the most part though. Teambumping, the developers added that to the game and it just happens sometimes. You really can't avoid it all the time when you're trying to get your team to win as heavy cav, since horses are big and fast and people are small and squishy and run all over. I hope people worry more about seeing me on the other team then on their own team : \
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I got mad at Ecko trying to displace Shik, because Shik won't listen to him, because he was a meanie, blah blah. School yard bullshit and he's going to try and shoot the community in the head, what kind of manipulative piece of shit are you.
I was not mad at Looshus, he brings up valid points, which ironically are being addressed, and looked into. I have the same concerns as he does about the maps, and get pretty annoyed with the open fielded maps sometimes, it's kind of annoying. I apologize if I gave off the wrong "vibe" to you sir, but I didn't mean it as hostility, it's just my usual way of how I convey words.
I told shik i wouldn't post the irc log of his comments. Don't make me a liar. There is ample reason he should not administrate the NA servers. I've reserved most of those reasons because it would require the IRC log to confirm them. But it goes beyond the childhood schoolyard bullshit.
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ecko why do u let this get u so worked up
over nothing
very sad
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And Miley, sorry that I make you mad, I really try to avoid teammates and felt awful about all the times I accidently(!!) teamkilled you, but was tired and you move fast and erratic. I know well enough to leave those situations alone for the most part though. Teambumping, the developers added that to the game and it just happens sometimes. You really can't avoid it all the time when you're trying to get your team to win as heavy cav, since horses are big and fast and people are small and squishy and run all over. I hope people worry more about seeing me on the other team then on their own team : \
S'ok, just stay away from me as I always tell you!!! :D
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Exactly why you shouldn't be admin, no offence. There are a lot of "stupids" in Warband.
I'd like to think I'm the only "stupid" in Warband, thank you very much.
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Just be careful, if you don't do it the way he wants tears, zealot might close down the LLJK...i mean Official servers. :lol:, sorry Zealot couldn't resist that one.
Tears would indeed be good for this. He's active on the forums, he invests time with the community, and who knows...maybe chadz would be willing to make more NA devs besides shik.
Shik, i'll be it a good admin, lost cred with me when told me to fuck off after i changed the server names upon his consistent requests.
jesus christ you're pathetic
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Anyone is better then the current NA Official administration.
Hey.. :(
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Trying to keep the topic on the tracks of the initial poster...
I myself do not enjoy playing on the official servers for a couple of reasons.
1. The maps are terrible and every other map is a Random_Village_#...
2. The server(I only play battle) always seems to be laggy for me even though I get better ping on them than the community servers.
Thats really my only complaints.. never had a problem with any admins... seen only a few though... and it generally functions like a crpg server should with minimal behavior issues.
I feel like the lag issue could be resolved by restarting the servers daily. Crpg seems to be hard on the box and requires a restart once a day to keep it running smoothly.
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Never change Ecko, never change.
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Never change Ecko, never change.
Is it not? :lol:
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ecko is english your second language?
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Ecko, Zealot, chill out.
So does this topic mean: As an admin, I need to do less warnings and ban more? Every time I've warned people they've stopped doing bullshit. I don't need to remove their ability to have fun if I can prevent them from destroying other people's fun first. This is my position. If someone disobeys my request, kick. Continue, 5 day ban.
I've been keeping a mental list just like tears, Btw.
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I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread but i'm just posting to say the map rotation is fine, it's refreshing to have maps that cavalry and infantry can do well on instead of the confined maps on all the other servers half of which force you to dismount to be effective on, most of you are just complaining because you are 30str 9agi builds that can't be bothered running for 20 seconds to meet the enemy.
Also Tears is the worst admin on the NA servers, he is a huge sperg who is too ban happy and the only reason he got admin in the first place is because he spends half of his life posting on this stupid forum to try and get himself some E-CRED.
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Ecko, Zealot, chill out.
So does this topic mean: As an admin, I need to do less warnings and ban more? Every time I've warned people they've stopped doing bullshit. I don't need to remove their ability to have fun if I can prevent them from destroying other people's fun first. This is my position. If someone disobeys my request, kick. Continue, 5 day ban.
I've been keeping a mental list just like tears, Btw.
Yep, warn, kick, ban. Though I opt for 1-2 days, 5 is reserved for repeat offenders/massive trolls in my book. I haven't noticed anything wrong with the servers, but of course when I'm on that means an admin is on so..
But when other admins are on with me, seems like everyone is doing their job pretty fairly. The map rotation complaints are one thing (though I think only spawn fixes and a trickle of new, high quality maps should be added, not a shit ton of counter strike copy paste jobs that are nothing but chokepoints) , but the slaps at admins are pretty much bitter Northern Empire (not all NE, just a few) trolling only. If there is a lack of admins on at populated hours, then sure more should be assigned, but things seem ok for the most part.
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I don't like most of the maps, tbh. They mostly aren't balanced especially spawn wise. One team always gets a huge advantage, and I don't like it.
And the 5 day ban is a repeat offender --> continuing = repeating. I have yet to ban anyone, there hasn't been a need when I've been on yet.
Also, I would say tears has been doing a pretty good job. A little strict on language, I mute if it becomes offensive though.
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I didn't say you guys were bad admins. Smooth, i maintain your a good one. You've yet to prove otherwise.
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I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread but i'm just posting to say the map rotation is fine, it's refreshing to have maps that cavalry and infantry can do well on instead of the confined maps on all the other servers half of which force you to dismount to be effective on, most of you are just complaining because you are 30str 9agi builds that can't be bothered running for 20 seconds to meet the enemy.
Also Tears is the worst admin on the NA servers, he is a huge sperg who is too ban happy and the only reason he got admin in the first place is because he spends half of his life posting on this stupid forum to try and get himself some E-CRED.
I'm too ban happy? Interesting, every single other person says that I give out too many warnings and not enough kicks and bans. Considering how many times I have pissed off admin or the devs with my forum trolling, even to the point of Meow saying "Tears, one more lie and you'r gone, understand?" on IRC, I very much doubt I have any e-cred with the admins after that two month stint I did.
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i haven't experienced any badminnery personally, i've seen lots of instances where it takes a long time for an admin to decide to kick a guy or whatever but that isn't a huge deal. people sometimes getting away with being annoying
the maps are kind of boring but few are outright bad. lots are too hilly, a couple of them are just spawn at the bottom of a hill and climb until you see the enemies coming down the hill
shik needs to interact with the community more, imo, if he was in here talking to us there would be a lot less rageposting
edit: ecko you're the worst, etc, your servers have people like ctrlaltdel as admins, awful maps, and your box is actually a moldy cheezit box with two starved chinchillas shoved inside it
edit2: give me admin
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i haven't experienced any badminnery personally, i've seen lots of instances where it takes a long time for an admin to decide to kick a guy or whatever but that isn't a huge deal. people sometimes getting away with being annoying
the maps are kind of boring but few are outright bad. lots are too hilly, a couple of them are just spawn at the bottom of a hill and climb until you see the enemies coming down the hill
shik needs to interact with the community more, imo, if he was in here talking to us there would be a lot less rageposting
edit: ecko you're the worst, etc, your servers have people like ctrlaltdel as admins, awful maps, and your box is actually a moldy cheezit box with two starved chinchillas shoved inside it
edit2: give me admin
He deserves it.
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Don't mind me. Just reassuring myself why blanket ban NA is that high on the to-do list.
Also, from my point of view the reason why Shik is, will and needs to be "lead admin" for official NA is that he is probably the only decent NA guy known to the dev team (and even part of it). The rest seems to be involved in the retarded LLJK vs. ATS conflict, which cancers itself pretty much through every thread started by a tea packet pusher.
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I told shik i wouldn't post the irc log of his comments. Don't make me a liar. There is ample reason he should not administrate the NA servers. I've reserved most of those reasons because it would require the IRC log to confirm them. But it goes beyond the childhood schoolyard bullshit.
Jesus Christ... Why do you say things like this? I like you, and think you're a really helpful and accessible guy, but come on. I'd also appreciate if you stopped advertising your servers on the official ones. :P
As much as I love Tears, and I'm sure he'd do a decent job, this thread has no business questioning Shik's position. As Zealot said through all the foaming at the mouth, Shik's put a lot of work into making the NA official servers happen. I see no reason at all to even consider replacing him. Has he actually posed a problem to anyone (besides Ecko :P)? Or are people just jumping on this idea because Tears is such a swell guy? This all seems pretty unprovoked to me.
From my pov, I'm not even a bit disappointed with the NA official servers. I was worried about Zealot to begin, but I'm satisfied that he's not trolling now. I think there are even less issues of general douchebaggery on the official servers compared to the others. Yeah the map rotation has a few flaws with spawn locations, but otherwise I don't have a major issue with the style of maps, though I'm open to change.
Yeah, there's some lag at the moment, but my understanding is that has to do with the database crashing a couple days ago and not quite being stable yet, and not with our servers. Over the weekend I played with over 110 players on at once, and experienced no lag at all; a testament to the quality of the servers. On top of that, I didn't receive many complaints that required my attention over the span of many hours, and at 100+ players, I think that's pretty good.
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Don't mind me. Just reassuring myself why blanket ban NA is that high on the to-do list.
Also, from my point of view the reason why Shik is, will and needs to be "lead admin" for official NA is that he is probably the only decent NA guy known to the dev team (and even part of it). The rest seems to be involved in the retarded LLJK vs. ATS conflict, which cancers itself pretty much through every thread started by a tea packet pusher.
I love that chadz complains about the nationalism and even bitched about the EU vs NA mentalities, yet we get comments like this from developers. I have no idea why so many NA folks feel left behind or have a distrust of the EU side, nope, not one clue why... :lol:
Anywho, moving on...
I personally have not seen any noticable problems with Shik managing things, and might I remind everyone that these servers are new and some things are still falling into place.
I would also like to point out how important of a note that Panoply raised, that the Official Servers are not running correctly, so please do not mistake this for how smoothly, or lack therof, of how they normally run.
I also wish some people would cut out this rising crap of Official vs ATS server mentalities. This is not some competition. I don't see people from the Pecores server join officials and then compare and badmouth.
Can everyone take a breather, stop pursuing personal agendas, and relax?
And for the last time, the official servers are not LLJK servers in any way. Too many people refer to them in that way.
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I love that chadz complains about the nationalism and even bitched about the EU vs NA mentalities, yet we get comments like this from developers. I have no idea why so many NA folks feel left behind or have a distrust of the EU side, nope, not one clue why... :lol:
That's right, no trolling for you mister developers :D. No but seriously, I've bitched about this since the day I started going to the IRC, and I doubt it'll ever change.