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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 10, 2011, 02:34:27 pm

Title: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 10, 2011, 02:34:27 pm
It's historically and physically proven that composite bows and crossbows lose velocity with getting wet. It's because the Horn arch and its composits dont grip that good on eachother anymore and the strength of the weapon it decreases..

1.) Why does the rain penalty for crossbows effect metallic crossbows (heavy crossbow; arbalest) too?

2.) Why does rain penalty not effect composite bows (Nomad-, Tatar-, Horn-, Rus Bow) ?

Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Vibe on August 10, 2011, 02:45:07 pm
-1 for playing realism card in a game
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: bosco on August 10, 2011, 02:46:23 pm
+1 because basic logic should still apply.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 10, 2011, 02:51:56 pm
its just frustaiting. im fully crossbowman, i have to make my kills with my arbalest. if the map changes and its heavyly raining and foggy (and its rainy and foggy a lot) my moral drops immidiatly because i cant do anything for at least 5 rounds. when its raining you cant even kill a peasant on 5 metres with a arbalest..
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: deim0z on August 10, 2011, 03:02:31 pm
I don't really know if the weather component affects the string of the ranged weapon or more likely to the air density variable, so final travel and damage of the bolt/arrow delivered is lowered (more air friction due to dampness).
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Vibe on August 10, 2011, 03:15:52 pm
+1 because basic logic should still apply.

Basic logic is also two handers cutting pikes and longspears in half when they block, but we don't have that, do we?
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Hotpokka on August 10, 2011, 03:37:52 pm
1. Balance
2. Balance
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: IG_Saint on August 10, 2011, 04:56:46 pm
Rain soaks the bow string, weakening it. Bows are supposed to be less affected by this because you can easily unstring a bow and keep the string dry. Crossbows can't be unstrung as easily and so are more affected by it.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 10, 2011, 05:20:50 pm
Rain soaks the bow string, weakening it. Bows are supposed to be less affected by this because you can easily unstring a bow and keep the string dry. Crossbows can't be unstrung as easily and so are more affected by it.

+1

and +1 for the sig!
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: nuffen on August 10, 2011, 06:00:14 pm
Its hardcoded.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 06:00:47 pm
Its hardcoded.

Best answer.
/thread.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Banok on August 10, 2011, 06:08:00 pm
I read that it was the strings which were effected. so a archer could unstring his bow whereas a crossbow man couldn't, hence why the british had this advantage in the battle of crecy.

Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Adam_Bomb on August 10, 2011, 07:06:58 pm
I've started putting on full plate and bringing a reg crossbow and 2 slot 2h whenever it rains now.  Just concentrate on melee a bit more while your xbow is gimped.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Brrrak on August 10, 2011, 08:55:44 pm
Its hardcoded.

QFT.  Just like blocking a lance thrust from horseback, just like being able to block an overhead from behind.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Gristle on August 10, 2011, 10:00:58 pm
-1 for playing realism card in a game

Rain lowers crossbow effectiveness because the developers were trying to add realism to the game. Like it or not, the realism card was played long ago.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 12, 2011, 02:15:35 pm
+1

and +1 for the sig!

lol has nothing to do with the string. it has to do with the horn bow and its components. they are connected by glue and if it gets wet it doesnt grip that good anymore. read it on wikipedia.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Overdriven on August 12, 2011, 02:54:39 pm
lol has nothing to do with the string. it has to do with the horn bow and its components. they are connected by glue and if it gets wet it doesnt grip that good anymore. read it on wikipedia.

Everything I've heard about bows getting wet has been to do with the string. Bow can be unstrung and restrung relatively quickly. Crossbows cannot.

I'm sure soaking a bow for a LONG time would weaken it because of the glue. But I doubt a brief rainy spell would have that much effect. Add on that I'm sure archers that use those bows would have known how to keep them out of the rain.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Swaggart on August 12, 2011, 04:07:09 pm
lol@wikipedia
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 12, 2011, 04:11:43 pm
lol has nothing to do with the string. it has to do with the horn bow and its components. they are connected by glue and if it gets wet it doesnt grip that good anymore. read it on wikipedia.

Read it on wikipedia?

Damm boy, you're bad at lobbying  :cry:
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Yaron on August 12, 2011, 04:15:56 pm
For the same reason why you can run infinitely long in heavy armor, why you can't cut wooden staffs with a GLB etc etc ...

for the balance. ;)

Coz this is a game, and games are usually all about balance, not realism, kkthx bye. Why should there  no penalty for the arbalest(that already is the best crossbow) ? To buff it even more comapred to the others ? ... No thanks.
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Aymeric on August 12, 2011, 04:18:29 pm
and it should slow down horses after so much raining, and people with closed helmets should have a bonus compared to others ( well depending on their haircut: it s not the same long wet hairs as short ones... )

chadz told me it will be all included in patch 56.986344, so no worries lol

Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Overdriven on August 12, 2011, 04:33:30 pm
and it should slow down horses after so much raining

Horses already slow down in the rain :P
Title: Re: One statement + Two critical questions
Post by: Aymeric on August 12, 2011, 04:38:10 pm
ahhh...you see, chadz is already in advance in his plans!

lol.