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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Bodenius on August 02, 2011, 08:21:08 am
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What can i do only with 1h sword against a horseman who attacks towards me in high speed?
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Best solution is to just dodge him. Second solution would be to bring some cheap polearm with you like boar spear. Third solution is to try and jump and stab him but that will kill him only if he misses his thrust since he has more reach then you. Fourth solution is to unequip your shield and block down untill he gives up trying to kill you or messes up and you hit him.
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Jump stabbing has some special tricks to it, where you can ensure getting into the safe zone away from their lance... But that is best shown by watching some really good 1handers. Hard to explain in text.
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The best you can do against 1cav is stabbing. Against lancers just avoid him or wait to make a mistake and stab the horse at the head; doing this you hit both, horsemen and horse.
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Against a lancer:
If he couch his lance just dodge with side jump
If he only stab and don't couch: side jump + overhead
Against a 1h cav
If you have very low health, stab: you will kill the horse and it won't bump you.
Most of the time right swing if you have a long 1h (100+ in length) or stand still and overhead swing when he is in the maximum range of your weapon (aim for the head of the horse)
A trick which work against most of 1h cav is running in the opposite direction of the cav and when he is in range turn fast and swing.
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chamber his lance while jumping and hit his head!
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Against a lancer:
If he couch his lance just dodge with side jump
If he only stab and don't couch: side jump + overhead
Against a 1h cav
If you have very low health, stab: you will kill the horse and it won't bump you.
Most of the time right swing if you have a long 1h (100+ in length) or stand still and overhead swing when he is in the maximum range of your weapon (aim for the head of the horse)
A trick which work against most of 1h cav is running in the opposite direction of the cav and when he is in range turn fast and swing.
I personally try to do more right swings and less overheads because I find it hard to gauge the timing of overheads vs cav, but above is pretty spot on.
Note: 1-h shield has the hardest time against cav IMO as they can counter our shield via bumpslash and can outrange us with lance. You can hold your own against most cav if you play it right as described above, but expect good cav players to kill you. If you know the mounted player is skilled it's probably best to find some high ground or an area with lots of obstacles and find someone else to fight.
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I personally try to do more right swings and less overheads because I find it hard to gauge the timing of overheads vs cav, but above is pretty spot on.
Note: 1-h shield has the hardest time against cav IMO as they can counter our shield via bumpslash and can outrange us with lance. You can hold your own against most cav if you play it right as described above, but expect good cav players to kill you. If you know the mounted player is skilled it's probably best to find some high ground or an area with lots of obstacles and find someone else to fight.
Also, if the 1h cav uses an arabian cav sword and does a right side swing + left turn you pretty much can't outreach him to kill the horse. Skilled ones will use the maximum range of their weapon and you're forced to block. Then they will either move on to a different target or return and bump/slash you.
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stand directly infront of the horse and thrust stab directly into the horses face. This will work 66% of the time. Make sure to thrust earlier than you think, as horses hitbox is quite large
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If the cav is heading straight towards you, a sidestep and a left to right slash to the horses face is possible. Usually, it'll drop unarmoured horses in one shot.
You'll only get this chance though if the cav is either a) stupid or b)unaware you're aware hes behind you ( using the tilde key) c)you're awesome and have controlled positionning very well
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If the cav is heading straight towards you, a sidestep and a left to right slash to the horses face is possible. Usually, it'll drop unarmoured horses in one shot.
This works occasionally but your even more likely to get lanced than standing in front of the horse...especially if your attack doesnt kill the horse
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I killed many cav with my Eslavona, just stab the horse and then kill him. Its not that hard.
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hide in a corner :lol:
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Thanks for all your advices!
Now i have to try again and again and again... :)
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Stab the ever living fuck out of the horse head, laugh as you kill armored horses in a hit thanks to their own speed used agaisnt themselves.
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Stab the ever living fuck out of the horse head, laugh as you kill armored horses in a hit thanks to their own speed used agaisnt themselves.
Watch the guy on the plated charger laugh as his morningstar crushes the fuck out of your skull as your puny attack just wounds the horsie.
I've friggin headshotted a plated charger with a MW arbalest+ MW steel bolts just before he ran me over. Didn't kill it.
Fortunatly, all the other horsies do die in 1 headshot.
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I personally try to do more right swings and less overheads because I find it hard to gauge the timing of overheads vs cav, but above is pretty spot on.
Yes, this works great. When I'm on foot and using a 1h I dont think I'm having a hard time against cav. You just have to know when to sidestep :).
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Move left so cav steers to adjust, then jump right and swing left to right. Or move right, then jump left and swing left to right.
I always (try to) jumpslash enemy cav. It's much easier than you think. Or just step aside and slash. Only thing you need is a bit of athletics and some practice.
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Sidestep when they get real close and slash em accordingly, if they try to outrage you, just walk away from their weapon.
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High cut weapons seem to work very well any anything but the heavily armored horses. The military Cleaver and Arabian Cav sword can really do a number on them. If else fails, go pierce.
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I find that it is quite titilating to overhead slash the cav as its charging straight at you. I feel cool doing it.
Just stand still, and stare down the rider as he gallops towards you. Hold your ground, gritting your teeth and clenching your genitalia in concentration. At the last moment side step ever so slightly, and bring your weapon down upon the charging horse's head. My god its so awesome to do that successfully--you feel like a jesus.
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I find that it is quite titilating to overhead slash the cav as its charging straight at you. I feel cool doing it.
Just stand still, and stare down the rider as he gallops towards you. Hold your ground, gritting your teeth and clenching your genitalia in concentration. At the last moment side step ever so slightly, and bring your weapon down upon the charging horse's head. My god its so awesome to do that successfully--you feel like a jesus.
something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD_dez_7Gg8
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Watch the guy on the plated charger laugh as his morningstar crushes the fuck out of your skull as your puny attack just wounds the horsie.
I've friggin headshotted a plated charger with a MW arbalest+ MW steel bolts just before he ran me over. Didn't kill it.
Fortunatly, all the other horsies do die in 1 headshot.
Hence the ''Stab'' part, I am an expert horse stabber in NA and I do it with a ''puny'' 1 hander, it works wonder.
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Hence the ''Stab'' part, I am an expert horse stabber in NA and I do it with a ''puny'' 1 hander, it works wonder.
You 1 hit plated chargers too?
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only the thrust only/mainly Renaissance style swords are much of a threat to plated charger. Anyone with a low dmg thrust I'll run over because I'll be doing alot more damage to them than they do to the horse. Plus if you're using morning star you can pop their head like a watermelon afterwards
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The biggest problem I have with melee vs me as a cavalry lancer is when people jump and stab directly in front of my horse (they usually start to one side or the other and jump right into my path), usually my lance is off to one side or the other and facing more down towards the ground, I find it hard to hit someone who is basically right in front or above my horses head (in my view). It takes time to bring the lance up and center when it's normally down and to the right (and it's basically impossible if I'm couching to hit someone who does this technique). If you're having problems with cav running you over when you're blocking, your best bet is to aim for the horses head. if you hit the horse with a decent swing it will stop it in it's place (at least it does with stabs).
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You 1 hit plated chargers too?
Not enough plated chargers for that D:
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Not enough plated chargers for that D:
Fair enough.
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If you're having problems with cav running you over when you're blocking, your best bet is to aim for the horses head. if you hit the horse with a decent swing it will stop it in it's place (at least it does with stabs).
No.
pole arms are the only magical items that can stop horsies with a stab.
This is the lore of C-rpg, and of Warband.
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No.
pole arms are the only magical items that can stop horsies with a stab.
This is the lore of C-rpg, and of Warband.
Full Speed horse will get 1 shotted most of the time if you stab it in the head as horse have the HP of a pre bubescant schoolgirl.
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Full Speed horse will get 1 shotted most of the time if you stab it in the head as horse have the HP of a pre bubescant schoolgirl.
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Thats how you do it, yes.
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Ah just let him kill you. Those calvarymen need a break :mrgreen:
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teleport under the knights mystical lance of a thousand points and then insert nomad saber. Or a buy pike/long-spear/bamboo spear. The first two options will force you to keep your shield on your back, and give you a reason to learn how to block to some degree. 1handers get the short end of the stick most of the time in this game, so use the advantage of only taking up two slots with your gear most of the time and grab a pike or crossbow or throwing weapon to supplement your arsenal. The true advantage of 1hander isn't always speed, its versatility.
By the way, the longer spear-typed polearms and lighter crossbows can still be used medium-effectively without a proficiency investment.
I hope this helps somewhat. I know the solution of (STOP BEING A 1HANDER AND USE SOMETHING ELSE) is not always appealing, but its some times nessisary to get the job done.
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Especially with the fixed lance angle, I find dealing with lance cav much easier then single hand cav nowadays when using a 1hander. Lance cav try to "cleanly" stab you while 1handers often try to bump you first like we're getting it down in da club. Personal space people. Please.