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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stormcrow on January 18, 2011, 02:41:22 am
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There is a long grind between lvl 30 and 31, in fact its just as long from 0-30. I dont really think its worth retiring for a +1 modifier and xp/gold bonus. I think neither matter. For one a good player doesn't need good equipment to play well and secondly a xp/gold only helps if you plan on lvling up and retiring again. Considering that retiremnt doesnt help good players I cant see myself or anyone sane retiring. In retrospect i think that most ppl will simply never retire leading to servers full of lvl 30/31 players with no low lvls. tell me what you think of retiring and how it could be improved.
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It's edge over others. Try fighting against someone with weapon heirloomed 3 times, even if he have one or two leveles less.
I would retire every possible time.
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my advice is this;
make a character you like to play
play with this char and have fun
DONT LOOK AT THE XP BAR (it's only there to agonize you once you're lvl 30)
eventually u will hit 31 and u can decide to retire or not - getting your char to a playable level doesnt take too long any more
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eventually
Eventually...Eventually...Eventually...Eventually...Eventually...Eventually...Eventually...
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1156.0.html
Good luck with your non-retirement plan.
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thanks
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Fail poll its fail!
No 1 (2.8%)
Hell no 6 (16.7%)
Only if you have no life 11 (30.6%)
Yes(I have no life) 18 (50%)
Total Members Voted: 27
choose one option only nexttime :p
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voted for three options because failpoll.
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Poll without options to poll for "hate you chadz" is illegal and must be deleted.
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my advice is this;
make a character you like to play
play with this char and have fun
DONT LOOK AT THE XP BAR (it's only there to agonize you once you're lvl 30)
eventually u will hit 31 and u can decide to retire or not - getting your char to a playable level doesnt take too long any more
^^
this
The new retirement system is only a benefit to the game imho. It's less about a race to the top and all about playing the game.
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It is required to max out a char to have at least a masterwork weapon. It also helps in trying out different builds, for example you can try a str, a agi and a hybrid build and decide which one you like the most.
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Another stupid poll. Why do people insist on making bad poll options making the poll useless?
(Yes, it is worth it)
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I like startin' over with a bit of a bonus. :)
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Did you forget lvl 15 retirement? :o I mean its such a long long long grind to lvl 15, I must have played 40 hours straight getting to that level!! :o
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Did you forget lvl 15 retirement? :o I mean its such a long long long grind to lvl 15, I must have played 40 hours straight getting to that level!! :o
Oh come on. You know darn well the level 15 retirement is only to re-do a stat fuckup and keep your loot. Other than that it really doesn't count.
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Retirement no where near worth it (unless if you misplaced more than 3 levels worth of points)
In this example I am starting with the stats
Level 33
Weapon Master 5
Raw WPP = 620
Exp to get here = 7.6 million
I am examining how you might spend your next 7.6 million EXP --- with retire and without.
The way exp is set up - Doubling your EXP gives you 4 more levels.
WITH RETIRE:
6.7 million experience in the hole (you save 800K exp due to faster leveling)
31 wpp points extra to spend (this is 5% of 620. By the time you grind 7.5 million exp your actual WPP will be ~6 points higher - lame)
~5% more weapon damage (Heirloomed. Dont forget the good chance your weapon will have higher requirements)
WITHOUT RETIRE:
What 7.6 million EXP will do for you if you do NOT reset
4 levels higher (meaning more hp and agility)
40-210 more wpp (depending on how you spend your attribute and skill points. Note that your actual WP could be ~30 points higher)
8-21% more weapon damage (depending on you you spend your attribute and skill points and your weapon type)
VERDICT:
Retirement is nothing more than a character reset with a tiny compensation.
Each time you do it you will DAMAGE YOUR CHARACTER.
NOTES:
I got in an argument with my friend on this. He made the case that because benefits stack you can eventually dig yourself out of the hole. So I did some rough math which shows about 9 character resets before you break even and 12 before it is paying off to every extent.
By pay off I mean your character is finally better than the other guy who plays just as much as you that didn't reset.
Our conclusion was that while Yes, technically I was wrong and that resetting CAN pay off.... you have to purpose build your character through those 9 resets in order to heirloom. This makes his stats so fucked up you can't really play your character for a long long time... and for what ? A slight advantage 10 (TEN) resets later. I'll pass. If you have no life have at it!
UPDATE : I get word leveling after 30 is quite different after update.
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AS mouse have shown the fastest way to reach lvl 35 is through 6 retirements.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1156.0.html (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1156.0.html)
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Kharn...
Edit: saw your update. But yeah, that is all incredibly out of date.
For example, that xp count you gave will get you near level 31, but not quite there yet. Not level 33. And heirlooms don't have increase requirements. And there is no extra weapon proficiency for retiring. Wake up, man.
As to the main point, the fun is the purpose of retirement. For throwing, heirlooming is incredibly useful in my opinion (an extra shot per slot is huge). Plus, a masterwork weapon is way cooler than a normal one.
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Well... now that he is forcing us to retire at 30 pretty much.
So from what I am reading its best to reset 10 times or so and then take the trek past level 30?
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You only get retirement benefits retiring at level 31 ;)
Retirement is no longer something to be grinded for amazing benefits. Now it is just a thing to be grinded if you get bored for small benefits. It also no longer gives an exponential benefit, simply a 10% bonus.
I guess what I'm trying to say is with 20 retirements you'd still have to play like a thousand hours to hit 35. So don't plan on it. Just play.
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you'd still have to play like a thousand hours to hit 35. So don't plan on it. Just play.
41 days straight and you can be lvl 35! Great LOL
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Retirement no where near worth it (unless if you misplaced more than 3 levels worth of points)
In this example I am starting with the stats
Level 33
Weapon Master 5
Raw WPP = 620
Exp to get here = 7.6 million
I am examining how you might spend your next 7.6 million EXP --- with retire and without.
The way exp is set up - Doubling your EXP gives you 4 more levels.
WITH RETIRE:
6.7 million experience in the hole (you save 800K exp due to faster leveling)
31 wpp points extra to spend (this is 5% of 620. By the time you grind 7.5 million exp your actual WPP will be ~6 points higher - lame)
~5% more weapon damage (Heirloomed. Dont forget the good chance your weapon will have higher requirements)
WITHOUT RETIRE:
What 7.6 million EXP will do for you if you do NOT reset
4 levels higher (meaning more hp and agility)
40-210 more wpp (depending on how you spend your attribute and skill points. Note that your actual WP could be ~30 points higher)
8-21% more weapon damage (depending on you you spend your attribute and skill points and your weapon type)
VERDICT:
Retirement is nothing more than a character reset with a tiny compensation.
Each time you do it you will DAMAGE YOUR CHARACTER.
NOTES:
I got in an argument with my friend on this. He made the case that because benefits stack you can eventually dig yourself out of the hole. So I did some rough math which shows about 9 character resets before you break even and 12 before it is paying off to every extent.
By pay off I mean your character is finally better than the other guy who plays just as much as you that didn't reset.
Our conclusion was that while Yes, technically I was wrong and that resetting CAN pay off.... you have to purpose build your character through those 9 resets in order to heirloom. This makes his stats so fucked up you can't really play your character for a long long time... and for what ? A slight advantage 10 (TEN) resets later. I'll pass. If you have no life have at it!
UPDATE : I get word leveling after 30 is quite different after update.
You can retire at 31 not 33, and yes i highly doubt you would get to 37 with 7.6 milion xp * 2, which is not even level 32 anyway. It's still pretty fast, it's worth doing 3 times at least, after 31 leveling up is very slow and it would take you 2 months to get to 35 (or something like that) so both the xp bonus and the heirloom bonus are good in the long run. Then once you hit 35 you won't level up anytime soon, so the more you heirloom the better in the end, since you can't level up after 35 anyway. It's 3 weeks of retiring to be better in 2 months + 3 weeks instead of being better for 3 weeks in 2 months and then having no chance to catch up.
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to hit 35. So don't plan on it. Just play.
You don't understand Braeden. We finally for once have an effective level CAP!!!! My OCD demands I must get my characters to max level. It's not a question of want to, but HAVE TO.
I wish I was kidding. lol
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You can get to 2 lvl 85's in Wow faster than you can get to lvl 35 in this CRPG.
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I only gamed like 4 days and got to lvl 27 :lol:
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Wow
BEGONE WITH YOU HEATHEN!
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You don't understand Braeden. We finally for once have an effective level CAP!!!! My OCD demands I must get my characters to max level. It's not a question of want to, but HAVE TO.
I wish I was kidding. lol
Retiring is evil and I am addicted to it even tho everything I heirloom keeps getting needed hard lol I think I retire just to retire I do miss the rename tho I felt like I was building. A family tree
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Retiring is evil and I am addicted to it even tho everything I heirloom keeps getting needed hard lol I think I retire just to retire I do miss the rename tho I felt like I was building. A family tree
Have you tried not heirlooming something that's overpowered?
That might help with that problem :)
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I recommend not retiring until the patches settle down with the Item changes. After that, go for it.
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I recommend not retiring until the patches settle down with the Item changes. After that, go for it.
This is actually quite true... However, it is hard to say when things have "settled"...