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Title: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Connasse on July 25, 2011, 02:52:58 pm
first, thank you for the most recent changes!

I do not publish here often, but when it comes, it is!

just to say that 2 hours is much too fast and unrealistic. (stab in the back without being Elantis melee from behind the shield and the while dancing with a plate armor ..)

I hope there will be a next change and so see more gameplay and less lonely 2h cheater:)
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Memento_Mori on July 25, 2011, 03:20:59 pm
yes, stop those pesky cheaters.. Using things that are in the game.... Everybody should be the same play style with 3/3 builds and wooden weapons.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Darkkarma on July 25, 2011, 03:42:29 pm
I'd personally take a polearm user over a 2hander anyway. Unless we are talking about the GLA, LHB or a certain "NA only problem"  then most polearms are in a pretty good place. As for 2 handers, the only place they really give me headaches are in the duel server.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: ReLeNtLeSs on July 25, 2011, 04:40:37 pm
Quote from: Connasse on July 25, 2011, 02:52:58 pm
first, thank you for the most recent changes!

I do not publish here often, but when it comes, it is!

just to say that 2 hours is much too fast and unrealistic. (stab in the back without being Elantis melee from behind the shield and the while dancing with a plate armor ..)

I hope there will be a next change and so see more gameplay and less lonely 2h cheater:)

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Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Baggy on July 25, 2011, 06:50:51 pm
Quote from: ReLeNtLeSs on July 25, 2011, 04:40:37 pm
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Ty for that Vicious666 quote.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: DrKronic on July 26, 2011, 03:07:23 am
Quote from: Connasse on July 25, 2011, 02:52:58 pm
first, thank you for the most recent changes!

I do not publish here often, but when it comes, it is!

just to say that 2 hours is much too fast and unrealistic. (stab in the back without being Elantis melee from behind the shield and the while dancing with a plate armor ..)

I hope there will be a next change and so see more gameplay and less lonely 2h cheater:)

yea nerf those two hands, hai can my bec get a +2 pierce I need more oneshots thanks
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 03:57:24 am
me what bothers me with the 2handers is that stupid stab, its so slow it never ends.

after a 2hander stab i attack straight away thinking i stepped out of the range of his stab, and move forwards only to get killed because the stab still isnt finished!

sometimes i downblock then overhead attack and realise i didnt block his stab with the downblock but chambered it with an overhead
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: ThePoopy on July 26, 2011, 04:13:42 am
Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 03:57:24 am
me what bothers me with the 2handers is that stupid stab, its so slow it never ends.

after a 2hander stab i attack straight away thinking i stepped out of the range of his stab, and move forwards only to get killed because the stab still isnt finished!
same thing with overhead
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 04:31:45 am
Quote from: ThePoopy on July 26, 2011, 04:13:42 am
same thing with overhead

with the overhead its when they hit on the side and slide it back into your body....
but i dont know if thats a 2hander only "feature"
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Dezilagel on July 26, 2011, 11:48:14 am
2h are fine, if anything they need a slight buff
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Vibe on July 26, 2011, 01:02:39 pm
i suck at every possible game including tetris so please nerf 2h
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: v/onMega on July 26, 2011, 03:46:28 pm
Nahhh, can't support that. Sorry.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: _JoG_ on July 26, 2011, 04:21:18 pm
Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 03:57:24 am
me what bothers me with the 2handers is that stupid stab, its so slow it never ends.
1. People whine about 2h stab being too quick and powerful.
2. Devs nerf 2h stab to the point when the regular non-loomed hand and a half swords are more like sabres with 3 attack directions and bigger 2h swords cannot kill rouncey at full gallop in a single stab. The speed is also reduced drastically (you still can get used to it).
3. People whine about 2h stab being too slow.
4. ...
5. PROFIT! BULLSHIT!

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Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Siiem on July 27, 2011, 05:05:50 pm
Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 03:57:24 am
me what bothers me with the 2handers is that stupid stab, its so slow it never ends.

after a 2hander stab i attack straight away thinking i stepped out of the range of his stab, and move forwards only to get killed because the stab still isnt finished!

I agree we need a faster one. Atleast one that is equal to the speed of a polearm stab. Currently with my 2h the stab animation is around that of a pike :S

Quote from: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 26, 2011, 04:31:45 am
with the overhead its when they hit on the side and slide it back into your body....
but i dont know if thats a 2hander only "feature"

Spin thrusting and all that shit can be done with any weapon. except ranged

Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Thucydides on July 27, 2011, 05:34:26 pm
Point blank stabs are still possible and done, but they're so hilariously slow that you can't tell if you should just spam him or hold down block. Lolstabs are really "WTF" attacks now
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Xant on July 27, 2011, 07:17:45 pm
The stab should at least be sped up so that if it gets blocked (lol, when it gets blocked) you can block the other guy's next attack... now you get stunned forever and sometimes can't block in time.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Cyclopsided on July 27, 2011, 08:54:15 pm
they can lessen the thrust-stun. It is a simple text file change
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Gorath on July 28, 2011, 07:16:07 am
Quote from: Xant on July 27, 2011, 07:17:45 pm
The stab should at least be sped up so that if it gets blocked (lol, when it gets blocked) you can block the other guy's next attack... now you get stunned forever and sometimes can't block in time.

For every weapon please.  I've hated this shit ever since I very first picked up a pike or spear and shield and had my pokey pokey blocked only to be stunned for the next full second going "WTF, why won't my guy block?!"

Thrust stun is lame.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Baggy on July 28, 2011, 07:24:16 am
Quote from: Gorath on July 28, 2011, 07:16:07 am
For every weapon please.  I've hated this shit ever since I very first picked up a pike or spear and shield and had my pokey pokey blocked only to be stunned for the next full second going "WTF, why won't my guy block?!"

Thrust stun is lame.
Hardcoded IIRC.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: DrKronic on July 29, 2011, 01:21:08 am
Quote from: Baggy on July 28, 2011, 07:24:16 am
Hardcoded IIRC.

indeed u did remember correctly
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: thespaniard on July 29, 2011, 11:10:53 pm
really i almost always get spammed outa my shield by 2handers hugging them doesent work anymore since u can be at the hilt of their sword and still do full damage to you and since they outrange my 1h/shield im forced to either run away or let someone else get him. Also they are way to effective against cavalry i had someone kill my plated charger in one hit when it takes me forever to kill one with my 1hander.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Dezilagel on July 30, 2011, 12:25:27 am
With correct timing, you can never be "outspammed", regardless of weapon.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: thespaniard on July 30, 2011, 01:12:31 am
Quote from: Dezilagel on July 30, 2011, 12:25:27 am
With correct timing, you can never be "outspammed", regardless of weapon.
doesent mean its not damn hard and near impossible when in a melee with multiple enemies
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Adam_Bomb on July 30, 2011, 07:00:11 am
Miley one shotted me with a two hander... Nerf!
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Darkkarma on July 30, 2011, 07:01:57 am
Quote from: Dezilagel on July 30, 2011, 12:25:27 am
With correct timing, you can never be "outspammed", regardless of weapon.

It is considerably easier to be outspammed with a 2-hander and we all know it.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Gorath on July 30, 2011, 08:52:41 am
Quote from: Darkkarma on July 30, 2011, 07:01:57 am
It is considerably easier to be outspammed with a 2-hander and we all know it.

Truth.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Cyclopsided on July 30, 2011, 09:42:54 am
Quote from: Baggy on July 28, 2011, 07:24:16 am
Hardcoded IIRC.
Quote from: DrKronic on July 29, 2011, 01:21:08 am
indeed u did remember correctly

Quote from: Marathon on July 27, 2011, 08:54:15 pm
they can lessen the thrust-stun. It is a simple text file change
I wasn't joking when I said this.
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Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Vibe on July 30, 2011, 04:03:30 pm
The 2h thrust block stun is ridiculous atm, to be honest. Think they overnerfed lolstab with it, should only be the slower thrust speed change.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Siiem on July 30, 2011, 05:05:22 pm
Quote from: Vibe on July 30, 2011, 04:03:30 pm
The 2h thrust block stun is ridiculous atm, to be honest. Think they overnerfed lolstab with it, should only be the slower thrust speed change.

Heh, funny, considering you can stab faster with a 300 length pike. This amount slower speed change was not needed.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Xant on July 30, 2011, 05:28:34 pm
Quote from: Siiem on July 30, 2011, 05:05:22 pm
Heh, funny, considering you can stab faster with a 300 length pike. This amount slower speed change was not needed.

Yup, I don't see why the devs had to hit 2h with the retardedly slow animation and  -50% damage at the same time. They didn't think that maybe it'd be cool to try with one of them first? Or like animation change and -15% damage? Or -50% damage and same animation? Or just a different animation, same damage?
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Siiem on July 30, 2011, 06:31:10 pm
Quote from: Xant on July 30, 2011, 05:28:34 pm
Yup, I don't see why the devs had to hit 2h with the retardedly slow animation and  -50% damage at the same time. They didn't think that maybe it'd be cool to try with one of them first? Or like animation change and -15% damage? Or -50% damage and same animation? Or just a different animation, same damage?

That would make too much sense.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Strider on July 30, 2011, 09:30:51 pm
umm no. How bout u look around yourself and make sure there's nobody behind you.
2Hed weapons need no nerf. Whenever im 2H i must work hard the whole time. I must always be dodging arrows. (the killer of 2Hers 50% of the time) and must focus on manual blocking. It's alot of work and very easy to die. (especially by ranged). But it is easy to kill as well. Which means it's balanced.
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Tzar on July 30, 2011, 09:44:01 pm
Agree 2h needs a nerf they are way too powerfull  :mrgreen:

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Just notice the lenght of the 2h compared to the 1h its cleary unbalanced
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Hisagi on July 31, 2011, 03:35:27 am
So like... the weapon class with majority cut damage should be nerfed... yet polearms with blunt, pierce, and range as their base alongside polestun shouldn't be... k

Just clarifying
Title: Re: nerf 2h :)
Post by: Vibe on July 31, 2011, 03:54:08 pm
Quote from: Xant on July 30, 2011, 05:28:34 pm
Yup, I don't see why the devs had to hit 2h with the retardedly slow animation and  -50% damage at the same time. They didn't think that maybe it'd be cool to try with one of them first? Or like animation change and -15% damage? Or -50% damage and same animation? Or just a different animation, same damage?

Have to agree here.