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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Bonze on July 18, 2011, 02:17:07 pm
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2 weeks ago a lot of cheap promises ..bla bla horse lancer nerf bla bla :rolleyes:
easy mod is still on : get a champinon (arabian) horse put a lot of WPF in pole , get a lance , kill 5.000.000 enemys with low risk (praise the weapon length and the insane horse maneuver) .If your horse dies spam with your second pole weapon like theres no tomorrow. well done .
Where are the breakable lances ??
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Now is the time to duck.
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lol, look mate, i understand how you feel, so here are some tips:
If you simply sidestep to the left, chances are he will either miss you or he will have to lance headon, which means many many many weapons will outdistance the lance as you will hit the horse before he hits you.
If you really are so concerned about not getting killed by horses, get a long weapon or stay near some pikemen.
Horses are already among the most expensive equipment items to upkeep, horses got reduced speed and maneuver and the lance can only turn 40 degrees. I don't know what class you play, but any class now has a decent chance against a horse if he sees it coming (well, as a sword and boarder, just spam block :)). If you don't, well thats what happens when you give lancers 40 degrees of turn, they go back to buttsechsing unaware infantry.
P.S.: i can deal just fine with cav onfoot with my lance, get a longer weapon and you will be fine.
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Lancers aren't overpowered. The only reason why they rack up kills is because the deluded and unorganized mob is easy prey when you have the element of surprise.
Versus any organized mob (or even one person aware of his surroundings) Lancers are worth little.
In Strategus, Lancers will be borderline useless and way too expensive (Assuming that Strategus factions actually work together when they play).
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Lancers aren't overpowered. The only reason why they rack up kills is because the deluded and unorganized mob is easy prey when you have the element of surprise.
Versus any organized mob (or even one person aware of his surroundings) Lancers are worth little.
In Strategus, Lancers will be borderline useless and way too expensive (Assuming that Strategus factions actually work together when they play).
this is a good point, any group standing together with archers and/or pikemen make lancers completely useless.
btw@op, if you think lancer = low risk you are very wrong, lancer is probably the highest risk class out there, you constantly have to be among the enemy lines, any hit you take does more damage due to speed and most horses are very vulnerable to ranged. Not to mention every ranged in the area is going to start shooting at you rather than at inf. Then there is hitting a small rock and your horse coming to a stop in the middle of enemies. And with the 40 degrees of turn, its very difficult to defend yourself against attacks from the side.
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lol, look mate, i understand how you feel, so here are some tips:
If you simply sidestep to the left, chances are he will either miss you or he will have to lance headon, which means many many many weapons will outdistance the lance as you will hit the horse before he hits you.
If you really are so concerned about not getting killed by horses, get a long weapon or stay near some pikemen.
Horses are already among the most expensive equipment items to upkeep, horses got reduced speed and maneuver and the lance can only turn 40 degrees. I don't know what class you play, but any class now has a decent chance against a horse if he sees it coming (well, as a sword and boarder, just spam block :)). If you don't, well thats what happens when you give lancers 40 degrees of turn, they go back to buttsechsing unaware infantry.
P.S.: i can deal just fine with cav onfoot with my lance, get a longer weapon and you will be fine.
I have 2 1 H cav chars, its easy to ignore horse lancers as cav. But i cant ignore the low risk (lance with 180 length ) vs high risk ( vs 1H with 100 length )
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this is a good point, any group standing together with archers and/or pikemen make lancers completely useless.
btw@op, if you think lancer = low risk you are very wrong, lancer is probably the highest risk class out there, you constantly have to be among the enemy lines, any hit you take does more damage due to speed and most horses are very vulnerable to ranged. Not to mention every ranged in the area is going to start shooting at you rather than at inf. Then there is hitting a small rock and your horse coming to a stop in the middle of enemies. And with the 40 degrees of turn, its very difficult to defend yourself against attacks from the side.
lHigh risk with a lance? most players have weapons under 150 length ...
The ranged arguments are not valid, every map have good cover behind houses, walls , rocks. Ranged is a static class they cant move from map end to map end in 10 seconds. Cav is the class with the most freedom you have 2-4 sec to leave hot spots ..most ranged are dead if they leave their static cover.
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buy a 2h sword or pike like everyone else
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buy a 2h sword or pike like everyone else
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Horse lancers are not op xD
they work far more like a support class now, which is how they should be, I'm having a lot of fun on my horse this gen, lancing and though I'm terrible cav I'm still enjoying it a lot, lancing is a whole different ball game compared to just being a foot infantry.
Infantry with eyes & ears should not have TOO much of a problem with melee cav (lancer or not)
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buy a 2h sword or pike like everyone else
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When my Clan hits a server there is at least one archer and at least one pikeman... We are always vigilant and tense against cav, but we don't fear them due to using our brains.
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Overpowered? I'd call them underpowered, I can easily doge them already with 3 athletics, can even attack them on my onehander, 2handers outrange them etc.
I'd say bring back the old angles, maybe a little bit less, but make damage to cut to keep em in check.
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Horse lancers are not op xD
they work far more like a support class now, which is how they should be, I'm having a lot of fun on my horse this gen, lancing and though I'm terrible cav I'm still enjoying it a lot, lancing is a whole different ball game compared to just being a foot infantry.
Infantry with eyes & ears should not have TOO much of a problem with melee cav (lancer or not)
Time to start playing at eu 1 .Support class with 20-40:2-4 K/D every map ..nice joke
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Time to start playing at eu 1 .Support class with 20-40:2-4 K/D every map ..nice joke
That's because 20% of the team is made of idiots. You just drive your horse around behind these unaware people and stab them in the back.
Anyone can get 40 kills every round by killing the idiots, dudes on horses just get to the idiots first.
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When my Clan hits a server there is at least one archer and at least one pikeman... We are always vigilant and tense against cav, but we don't fear them due to using our brains.
They do this quite well. Its very difficult to take down this setup with the current patch.
Lancers are in a good spot right now. The 90 degree side-of-lance poke was taken out, removing much of the OPness behind lancers.
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Troll thread.
1h should be able to take lancers easy, unless they drop the lance. As for lance on inf, it's a lot harder now. Requires more thought. Considering you can't circle poke ect.
Most inf that dies from lancers now, deserved to die always. You have to be seriously oblivious to die to a lance that can barely turn.
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yep and sometimes we do scores like 3-4...but guess no one sees that...
you know what? some people might be skilled? OMAGAD! :shock:
its the same damn thing each time, people are unaware. the killcount comes from there. you could nerf cav to the ground, you could make the players that are being charged by a cav in the back have their screen flash red and an alarm go off, they would still not turn round!.
its easy to dodge a lance, its got the same god damn rotation as a couched lance! you cant dodge a couched lance? you diserved to die!
many times i'v charged a player that skips a side! suddenly darts to the side!
facing aware 2h polearm, it's 50/50 cuz they outreach you so if you get a kill it's because THEY F up
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ohhh look its a one hander cav go cry some were elase they nerfed us for you and thats sad
its not even fun to play lance cav any more its just come poke people and move on now...
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dude...
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Awareness.
Go get some.
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lol, look mate, i understand how you feel, so here are some tips:
If you simply sidestep to the left, chances are he will either miss you or he will have to lance headon, which means many many many weapons will outdistance the lance as you will hit the horse before he hits you.
If you really are so concerned about not getting killed by horses, get a long weapon or stay near some pikemen.
Horses are already among the most expensive equipment items to upkeep, horses got reduced speed and maneuver and the lance can only turn 40 degrees. I don't know what class you play, but any class now has a decent chance against a horse if he sees it coming (well, as a sword and boarder, just spam block :)). If you don't, well thats what happens when you give lancers 40 degrees of turn, they go back to buttsechsing unaware infantry.
P.S.: i can deal just fine with cav onfoot with my lance, get a longer weapon and you will be fine.
Horses are shit and ppl crying about them just dont know how to play. As a 1hander with a horse i usually play on foot and let me tell you that when a horse comes against me, more than half of the times i actually kill the horse(many times also the rider) with a simple 103 reach sword. Its all about timing and positioning yourself. Actually, with the new nerf and all, cavalry is one of the weakest classes against everyone else. Its just soooo easy to kill a horse in a face to face that is sad. Dont believe me?. Lets go to a duel server and put there the best 2 hander you know and the best horseman you know. The horseman will win very very few duels, and half of his victories will be on foot if he survives his horse :).
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Duels on a horse in battle mean you are an idiot, as the advantage of a horse is the speed that allows you to strike quickly then find another target. Very few good cav players stick around on one target if they miss the initial attack.
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yep and sometimes we do scores like 3-4...but guess no one sees that...
you know what? some people might be skilled? OMAGAD! :shock:
its the same damn thing each time, people are unaware. the killcount comes from there. you could nerf cav to the ground, you could make the players that are being charged by a cav in the back have their screen flash red and an alarm go off, they would still not turn round!.
its easy to dodge a lance, its got the same god damn rotation as a couched lance! you cant dodge a couched lance? you diserved to die!
many times i'v charged a player that skips a side! suddenly darts to the side!
facing aware 2h polearm, it's 50/50 cuz they outreach you so if you get a kill it's because THEY F up
Yes, they also dont take in account that those uber lancers(wont say names) usually go and kill everyone in the spawn, getting from 1 to 3 free kills each round. Its not that they arent good, coz they are, but their scores wouldnt be so great if they didnt so....
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Yes, they also dont take in account that those uber lancers(wont say names) usually go and kill everyone in the spawn, getting from 1 to 3 free kills each round. Its not that they arent good, coz they are, but their scores wouldnt be so great if they didnt so....
want to note that i actively try not to kill people directly at spawn or afk people (sometimes its too tempting tho) and i see a lot of good players that dont rape aswell.
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want to note that i actively try not to kill people directly at spawn or afk people (sometimes its too tempting tho) and i see a lot of good players that dont rape aswell.
I see lancers who kill afks as doing a public service for the server. How many times have you seen people wandering around the entire big-ass map because the last opponent is afk in spawn?
I do hate it when someone vociferously strokes their epeen because their kdr is higher thanks to AFK killing. Usually a pike to their nuts will shut em up for a few minutes though.
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Duels on a horse in battle mean you are an idiot, as the advantage of a horse is the speed that allows you to strike quickly then find another target. Very few good cav players stick around on one target if they miss the initial attack.
So what you're saying is that a 'good' cav will give up on a high priority target for some easy kills.
I disagree, sir. One good kill is worth 10 shit ones.
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Shpongled is OP :)
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So what you're saying is that a 'good' cav will give up on a high priority target for some easy kills.
I disagree, sir. One good kill is worth 10 shit ones.
What I am saying is that a good cav knows when to break off and rotate his attack to another high priority target, as there are always several of them on the battlefield and using your speed you should always find one who is not expecting you, and if it fails then hit the next one without a break.
If there is only one high priority target left on the battlefield then sure, harass away and lock him down and try tokill him.
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What Tears says is true. GK were talking about what makes Torben (1h) and Leed (lancer), Kerrigan (lancer), Chagan (lancer) and Jahboh (lancer) so effective on horseback. It's their ability to skip from target to target and always manage to pick the perfect one that's just not paying attention. They seem to be able to judge it perfectly a lot of the time, and know exactly where to put themselves to get the kill without endangering themselves to much. It takes a higher level of skill and awareness than most cav to be able to do that. They never get into duels, and constantly keep moving around the battlefield, if they miss a strike, they move on unless they know they have a clear cut kill. And no, they don't only kill easy targets, they often take out the higher level armoured targets as well. But it's that skill that takes them to the top of the server.
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What Tears says is true. GK were talking about what makes Torben (1h) and Leed (lancer), Kerrigan (lancer), Chagan (lancer) and Jahboh (lancer) so effective on horseback. It's their ability to skip from target to target and always manage to pick the perfect one that's just not paying attention. They seem to be able to judge it perfectly a lot of the time, and know exactly where to put themselves to get the kill without endangering themselves to much. It takes a higher level of skill and awareness than most cav to be able to do that. They never get into duels, and constantly keep moving around the battlefield, if they miss a strike, they move on unless they know they have a clear cut kill. And no, they don't only kill easy targets, they often take out the higher level armoured targets as well. But it's that skill that takes them to the top of the server.
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The 40° limitation already force cav to always dogfight, which puts them at a great risk of being killed because of the horse's head being easy to reach, dont nerf it further.