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Title: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Nyalan on July 15, 2011, 04:56:19 am

I have waited 5 days playing about 8 hours a day to raise money to buy a tempered miaodao and imbue it with a heirloom point to balanced, and now i realized that a point of speed has been removed and another potential masterwork speed point has been removed setting the balanced miaodao to the initial 96 score with the new patch... honestly 80% of my fun is wasted as I chose the weapon knowing it had a balance between speed and cut damage, but now it is as if i had made no heirloom point at all... the only hope of a miaodao to attack with only 3 directions without thrusting is to attack very fast, but now all my strategy is wasted, and I've played a couple of game killed before having a chance to attack ... or it seems to attack totally not fast speed, and no hope getting higher... it's no fun anymore grinding knowing that anyway the weapon speed has been reduced and it won't get higher anymore. could anything be done to keep the speed of the miaodao? maybe a heirloom point could be removed masterwork as like the other swords, but another base point??? i've invested so much to buy the weapon and imbue it waiting far past level 31 to retire to get cash and buy from the market, and it seems i don't even want to play anymore...

p.s. sorry because i seem a little discouraged...

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Dehitay on July 15, 2011, 05:02:20 am

I know how you feel. The Miaodao was also my weapon of choice. I had heirloomed it a few times because I liked it so much. But the nerfed version just doesn't keep up with weapons that can stab anymore. Fortunately, it didn't go to complete waste as I was able to get an Balanced Longsword for it. I'd advise you trade it was well if it no longer works for you. The Longsword is a good replacement if you've gotten used to the Miaodao, but if you truly love speed, it would be easier to get an equivalent Katana for it

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Baggy on July 15, 2011, 06:25:17 am

It was OP, deal with it.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Keshian on July 15, 2011, 07:25:28 am

Good, I miss the days when I was one of only a very few people that used it, hopefully we are going back to those days and I can use my chinese sword that actually looks like a middle-eastern sword while wearing my middle-eastern armor, in peace.  By the way lolstabbing is a huge crutch, which you find out when you meet someone with a heavier weapon who actually knows how to downblock.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: DrKronic on July 15, 2011, 09:12:39 am

man so happy I traded for a longsword right before they nerfed it twice, once from the heirloom speed nerf and also reducing its speed by 1, I have a feeling my killing tons of people with a miaodao "made" it OP in some ways

nerf what I use, don't worry I'll just change what I use lol

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Seranoth on July 15, 2011, 10:59:00 am

Nerf kills the Miaodaoninja named Seranoth finally.

Iam tired of being nerfed in all last patches so bad, that it kills all the little rest fun of playing crpg.

Come people- find me hiding in a corner- i can only block one hit - the second one will kill me, because iam to slow now to block, or parry it with a chamber.
What should i do ? Sell my MW- Miaodao??? Its really bullshit atm.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2011, 11:16:56 am

Miaodao is chinese weapon and Ninjas are japanese. Phail!

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Freland on July 15, 2011, 11:28:51 am

Just compare it to the Dadao same length, same difficulty and  same attack directions.

Dadao
more weight (+0.2)
more damage (+2)
cheaper (3100 Gold less)

Miaodao
more speed (+3)

In my opinion they should cost the same or the Miadao needs a buff.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Ming on July 15, 2011, 12:01:24 pm

Quote from: Nyalan on July 15, 2011, 04:56:19 am

I have waited 5 days playing about 8 hours a day to raise money to buy a tempered miaodao and imbue it with a heirloom point to balanced, and now i realized that a point of speed has been removed and another potential masterwork speed point has been removed setting the balanced miaodao to the initial 96 score with the new patch... honestly 80% of my fun is wasted as I chose the weapon knowing it had a balance between speed and cut damage, but now it is as if i had made no heirloom point at all... the only hope of a miaodao to attack with only 3 directions without thrusting is to attack very fast, but now all my strategy is wasted, and I've played a couple of game killed before having a chance to attack ... or it seems to attack totally not fast speed, and no hope getting higher... it's no fun anymore grinding knowing that anyway the weapon speed has been reduced and it won't get higher anymore. could anything be done to keep the speed of the miaodao? maybe a heirloom point could be removed masterwork as like the other swords, but another base point??? i've invested so much to buy the weapon and imbue it waiting far past level 31 to retire to get cash and buy from the market, and it seems i don't even want to play anymore...

p.s. sorry because i seem a little discouraged...

deal with it , all 3 of my MW heirlooms were effected. MW hornbow, MW tadar arrows, champ arab warhorse.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Rangerbob on July 15, 2011, 06:48:34 pm

Ouch.  Anyhow I still use the miaodao just cause I'm not good with weapons that stab.  I must say its still damn good especially against other 2 handers since the nerf was across the board.  Don't worry about it.  you'll still get your kills.  The 2 speed was nice but the only difference you'll feel is fighting a longsword or a polearm

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Xol! on July 15, 2011, 07:02:33 pm

Quote from: Freland on July 15, 2011, 11:28:51 am

Just compare it to the Dadao same length, same difficulty and  same attack directions.

Dadao
more weight (+0.2)
more damage (+2)
cheaper (3100 Gold less)

Miaodao
more speed (+3)

In my opinion they should cost the same or the Miadao needs a buff.

No.  3 speed is gigantic.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: [ptx] on July 15, 2011, 07:14:08 pm

Man, Miaodao used to be so epic, when i started to use it on my 2her (before there were many other miaodao spammers).

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Sergee on July 15, 2011, 07:23:13 pm

Miaodao was most OP 2hander and still rapes at 96 speed who cares.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: runemaster on July 15, 2011, 07:48:31 pm

Same thing happened to me with my masterwork nodachi.

It's the only heirloom I have, and I have just mw'd it and gotten to about lvl 20 or so.  And RIGHT before I break it out to start using it they nerfed it to the same speed it was the previous generation.

I just went and played other games for a few days until the sting wore off.  Regardless of item balance or imbalance, I feel your pain.  It was pretty frustrating.  I sure didn't FEEL overpowered...

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Rangerbob on July 15, 2011, 08:00:29 pm

I'd recommend picking up miaodaos while the're cheap.  They're still the best 2 handers other than longsword.  If you have good footwork they're better than longsword cause you can use the range to your advantage.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: jspook on July 15, 2011, 08:19:22 pm

Quote from: Xolvern on July 15, 2011, 07:02:33 pm

No.  3 speed is gigantic.

You are missing the obvious point.  All you have to do is look at both MW items.

Dadao =
45 cut
93 sp

Miadao =
43 cut
96 sp  (from 98)

Its an EXACT tradeoff.  and the damage on the Dadao is incrementally higher and worth FAR MORE than the speed buff with the new damage soak values.
And with that tradeoff, the Miaodao is STILL twice as much.  the Dadao didnt change value at all, and the Miadao LOST 2 speed.
The price difference was worth it when the speed values were increased, but as they have essentially the same weapons values now, the price differences need to be negated.

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I still Love my MW Miadao and will continue to use it.  but the costs between it and the Dadao need to be equalized.  and I would still be willing to trade it for a MW Dadao as long as the cost differences remain as they are.  There is no point in NOT using the cheaper weapon for that big of a damage trade

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Rangerbob on July 15, 2011, 09:09:04 pm

Miaodao lost 1 speed not 2.  Either way 3 speed is easily better than damage.  Now I'll agree that the daodao looks better now that the miao has lost a point in speed but the miao is a far superior weapon because it still hits hard has good range and is much fast than all 2 handers other than katana and longsword.

I would say the bastard sword may be the best weapon in the game now.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: jspook on July 15, 2011, 09:13:21 pm

Miadao lost 2 speed.  you dont know what you are talking about.  It lost 1 speed from stock purchase from 96 to 95, and another from hierlooming.

The end stats used to be 43 cut 98 speed.
it is now 43 cut 96 speed.

learn basic math.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Teeth on July 15, 2011, 11:20:24 pm

It was slightly overpowered, reducing the speed by 1 was a justified nerf, and yes I am using this weapon. I agree that is is a nerf of 1 speed, as a lot of other stuff got the same heirloom -1. The weapon fits in with the rest now, it has pretty high cut damage.

If they would just make it look like a miaodao instead of a twohanded sabre, but then they would have to give it a stab.

Oh yeah why doesnt the miaodao or the hafted blades get weaboo tax? If Japanese stuff (read only katana, not the armors or the nodachi nor the wakizashi, thanks for the katana-hate) gets it why doesnt chinese stuff? Is it really so much of a difference that Japan is an island a few miles further east?

Quote from: Leshma on July 15, 2011, 11:16:56 am

Miaodao is chinese weapon and Ninjas are japanese. Phail!

Yes the miaodao is indeed chinese, model is arabic and I'm using it as a ninja. If they would just make the katana less of a fail weapon, then I could stop betraying my clan's heritage.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: Patricia on July 15, 2011, 11:27:20 pm

Quote from: Seranoth on July 15, 2011, 10:59:00 am

Nerf kills the Miaodaoninja named Seranoth finally.

Iam tired of being nerfed in all last patches so bad, that it kills all the little rest fun of playing crpg.

Come people- find me hiding in a corner- i can only block one hit - the second one will kill me, because iam to slow now to block, or parry it with a chamber.
What should i do ? Sell my MW- Miaodao??? Its really bullshit atm.

If your weapon lose 2 speed and you suddenly suck shit, you probably sucked shit to begin with.

There's no way you can't block twice in a row, hell use the slowest weapon in the game with 0 wpf and you'll still be able to block twice in a row, you're just bad.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: [ptx] on July 16, 2011, 12:02:29 am

Seranoth just doesn't know how to block, never seen the spammer do it.

Title: Re: Miaodao lost efficiency????
Post by: espooo on July 16, 2011, 01:43:18 am

I believe this weapon is still very viable. Despite having no lolstab, this weapon out-swings the danish great sword with greater speed and the same cut damage.
I still think it is one of the better 2h swords.