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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Myltinous on July 14, 2011, 12:12:09 am
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Howdy y'all, going to do a 1h shield char for my next build. I was just wondering what shield would last longer before breaking. The plate covered round shield or the huscarl's round shield? Lets also assume that I would avoid axes and other shield killing weapons at all costs.
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If you don't run into ANY shield breakers the plate covered would last longer.
If you run into a shield breaker, the plate covered would break VERY fast.
The plate covered is also much smaller and slightly slower than the Huscarl. So, you should have a decent amount of shield skill to use it.
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Steel Shield. Plate C. Shield is ugly.
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Obviously knighlty heather shield because you want to be stylish. So bad you will get shot by arrows going through it like magic missiles.
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Steel Shield. Plate C. Shield is ugly.
That's the reason why I insisted on getting 6 Shield Skill when I could just get 4 Shield Skill and use that 2 points in Atheltics and IF instead.
Also Steel Shield takes up 2 slots and Plate Shield takes up only 1, but why do I still use Steel Shield? Because it's so much better looking.
Of course, if practicality is all you're into:
(1 slot) 4 Shield Skills: Plate Covered Round Shield, Knightly Heater/Kite Shield [Not suggested for a dedicated Shielder, but if you're in situations where you need 2 shields at a time, these 1 slot shields are good choices, they're cheaper, too.]
(2 slot) 5 Shield Skills: Huscarl's Round Shield
(2 slot) 6 Shield Skills: Steel Shield
I personally don't think Steel Shield is a practical choice, as Huscarl is faster, lighter, wider, cheaper, requires one less shield skill, and can put up against any non-shield-breaker weapons long enough before you or your enemies are dead. (You don't fight 5 people at the same time all the time, right?)
Of course, for cosmetic purposes, Steel Shield looks better than the ugly oversized heraldic Huscarl in my opinion, and matches the plate armors better than that barbaric piece of shield :mrgreen: (If you're into plated Knights over nordic warrior looks)
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Or you could not be a bitchy Huscarl shielder who nobody likes. Go for elite cav. Go for the Brown Lion Heater. Both something different and both are great shields.
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Heavy kite is very durable too.
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Brown lion heater shield or huscarl's round shield. Those are your only two choices, because that's all anybody else uses. Now go and use one of those.
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Or you could not be a bitchy Huscarl shielder who nobody likes. Go for elite cav. Go for the Brown Lion Heater. Both something different and both are great shields.
This. My defeault shield is the brown lion heater shield. Its very affordable, and can take quite a few hits before breaking. The elite cav shield is very fast, too. Stylish.
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+1, elite cav shield has incredible speed
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... and is brittle as porcelain.
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You could just go with whatever looks good. And suits you and your character.
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my intended char build is...
lvl 30
STR 18
AGI 18
HP 63
Skills to attributes 2
IF 5
PS 6
Shield 6
Athletics 6
WM 6
1h 156
Equipment: Warhammer, blue coat of plates, shield?, guard helmet, mail mittens, rus splinterd greaves. Total of around 37000 though so would have to tone down on armor or helmet to stay on par.
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Just get the practice shield with 13 shield skill and become a Shielder God.
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Just get the practice shield with 13 shield skill and become a Shielder God.
Expanding upon this, let me introduce to you my now likely forgotten character name on the servers, recently re-incarnated as a Shielder using STF (allowance of a whopping 10,100 gold!)
After spending every thing I had on a shopping spree and leveling my character and selling my starting gear that I did not need, I was left with this.
Xocoyol
Level 30
Strength: 3
Agility: 39
Hit Points: 38
1 Power Strike
13 Shield
3 Weapon Master
One Handed: 130
Throwing: 5
1,594 Gold.
Nordic Leather Helm with Rings
Red Gambeson
Leather Gloves
Sarranid Leather Boots
Nordic Short Sword (Very dependable and fast and damaging, pretty good reach too!)
Hand Axe (103 speed and 28 cut against shields? Woah, look out I'm coming through!)
Dagger (130 wpf looks kinda nice with a 114 base speed weapon! Instant slice dem peasants!)
Cavalry Shield (105 base speed with 13 shield skill? BAM instant indestructable huge forcefield!)
Reserve Warchest(because I had oodles of cash left)
Scythe (for stopping cav if they are pesky, longest reach I can ge, almost 190! Nice damage too)
Practice Long Sword (every peasant needs one! Gotta practice!)
Throwing Knives (best throwing weapon out there, more damage then stones!)
Fire Bomb (Gotta step in from a poof of smoke now and be dramatic, and does a whopping 14 blunt, woah more then stones!)
Spiked Club (20 pierce damage? Count me in this is the best pierce you can get! Good for hunting pesky 30+ armored foes)
Club (It came free and has the best blunt damage you could ever ask for!)
I will never have to buy anything ever again with this character! (well, maybe silly ladders or siege shields) but other people can carry that stuff, right?).
Best build ever. Just relax and hit when you have a sure fire opportunity. Don't worry with your shield skill and my shield of choice, you can instantly recover into a block and your force field is hilarious!
EDIT: Crap I forgot to buy a cleaver... I mean C'mone, it is a freaking kitchen/butcher's cleaver! Need I say more?
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Just get the practice shield with 13 shield skill and become a Shielder God.
I thought 13 shield skill was bannable.
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I thought 13 shield skill was bannable.
Only from the Admins who don't understand that 8*13 =104 and think you are using the shield glitch!
So... sometimes... :/
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Only from the Admins who don't understand that 8*13 =104 and think you are using the shield glitch!
So... sometimes... :/
Well, unbreakable shield is still quite gamebreaking :D not to mention you are the master of Force
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Well, unbreakable shield is still quite gamebreaking :D not to mention you are the master of Force
The 1PS brings a new meaning to death by a thousand paper cuts! :lol:
granted getting one shot is normal if you mess up, but use that 105 speed shield and oh my hahahahaha.
It can be game breaking though, yes, heh, in the right situation. Crushthrough always kills me :/ 0ATHL hurts then, heh.
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The 1PS brings a new meaning to death by a thousand paper cuts! :lol:
granted getting one shot is normal if you mess up, but use that 105 speed shield and oh my hahahahaha.
It can be game breaking though, yes, heh, in the right situation. Crushthrough always kills me :/ 0ATHL hurts then, heh.
Oh you tried it? It could be good as pure support, just pushing the line or enemies and let the others do the hitting.
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Oh you tried it? It could be good as pure support, just pushing the line or enemies and let the others do the hitting.
Only for a few rounds. Perhaps in the coming days I will hit a battle server for an hour and test there in earnest for an hour or so maybe more before grinding my main again. I do think that it could be a marvelous support character, especially if the 1 PS and 3 WM were swapped out for 4 ATHL to keep up. I want to get Couched while using this shield, heh.
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Only for a few rounds. Perhaps in the coming days I will hit a battle server for an hour and test there in earnest for an hour or so maybe more before grinding my main again. I do think that it could be a marvelous support character, especially if the 1 PS and 3 WM were swapped out for 4 ATHL to keep up. I want to get Couched while using this shield, heh.
Well, in theory it shouldn't break, couch is normal (just huge) damage.
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Well, in theory it shouldn't break, couch is normal (just huge) damage.
Yeah, but I am hoping for a reaction against a Coucher cav or a Great Axe user after the shield not breaking, and see something funny in chat! :lol:
Yes I know I'm terrible sometimes :oops:
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Yeah, but I am hoping for a reaction against a Coucher cav or a Great Axe user after the shield not breaking, and see something funny in chat! :lol:
Yes I know I'm terrible sometimes :oops:
You mean :D
I can imagine 13 shield gets boring fast though. You're just a tank without ammo.
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You mean :D
I can imagine 13 shield gets boring fast though. You're just a tank without ammo.
Oh agreed, hence why it is a disposible STF character. I kinda like hitting people and not glancing... Feels nice.
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my intended char build is...
lvl 30
STR 18
AGI 18
HP 63
Skills to attributes 2
IF 5
PS 6
Shield 6
Athletics 6
WM 6
1h 156
Equipment: Warhammer, blue coat of plates, shield?, guard helmet, mail mittens, rus splinterd greaves. Total of around 37000 though so would have to tone down on armor or helmet to stay on par.
To get back on topic....
Unless you're going for looks, your armor is kinda heavy. To play a good 1-hander (especially since you're using a really short weapon) you need to be fast. That heavy armor will weigh you down a lot.
Also, use a light, quick shield. No one likes boring turtles and they are also much less effective than an aggressive 1-hander. So I would suggest the Knightly Heater, the Knightly Kite, or the Brown Lion Heater. They are all light and quick.
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ToD, now tell us:
were your posts a please to devs to nerf shield skill or was your post a please to devs to stay with current shield skill power?
i say: thanks devs, now gimped shielder isn't THAT gimped. I like the idea for unbreakable shield if you have 13 shield skill, basically it isn't gamebreaking - you die to a hit or two, your mistake means your death.
My current view on this problem is:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 3
Agility: 39
Hit points: 38
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 13
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 113
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Shortened spear.
Any clothes.
Shield could be either: huscarl (for ultimate teammates protecting), steel shield for good look, buckler for more mobility (the worst idea, though big forcefield + buckler would result in one big wtf on enemy's side), or just elite cavalry shield for a bit more forcefield,
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Shield could be either: huscarl (for ultimate teammates protecting), steel shield for good look, buckler for more mobility (the worst idea, though big forcefield + buckler would result in one big wtf on enemy's side), or just elite cavalry shield for a bit more forcefield,
What, why not take one of the cheaper big shields?
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ToD, now tell us:
were your posts a please to devs to nerf shield skill or was your post a please to devs to stay with current shield skill power?
Mainly it is a post saying keep it as it is. No sense in nerfing it unless it turns into a problem on the battle field (no theoretical scenarios don't count, I want to actually see it become a problem with my own eyes).
Currently shields seem to be a bit weird in that it seems easy to sideslip around them now even when standing dead in front of shield users with 4-6 shield skill. No sense in nerfing further.
My post is merely pointing out a fun gimmick build! With this build you should either take the lightest shield for speed, the largest shield for coverage, or the fastest shield for ... obvious blocking reasons, in my opinion.
I like it, though I am not sure I would recommend it for a main, hehehe.
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To get back on topic....
Unless you're going for looks, your armor is kinda heavy. To play a good 1-hander (especially since you're using a really short weapon) you need to be fast. That heavy armor will weigh you down a lot.
Also, use a light, quick shield. No one likes boring turtles and they are also much less effective than an aggressive 1-hander. So I would suggest the Knightly Heater, the Knightly Kite, or the Brown Lion Heater. They are all light and quick.
I might just "scale" down to scale armor then (haha, pun on words :lol:) and choose a helmet apropriate to it. The warhammer has a renaissance style to it so I thought that plate would go good with the looks. But, in the end, gameplay is more important. I want a shield that can stand a beating and im guessing the shields you mentioned focus more on speed than durability. If I'm right about that then ill have to pass on those
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I might just "scale" down to scale armor then (haha, pun on words :lol:) and choose a helmet apropriate to it. The warhammer has a renaissance style to it so I thought that plate would go good with the looks. But, in the end, gameplay is more important. I want a shield that can stand a beating and im guessing the shields you mentioned focus more on speed than durability. If I'm right about that then ill have to pass on those
Depends on what you mean by "durability".
They last longer against weapons that aren't shieldbreakers than the heavier shields do.
A shield like the Huscarl or Heavy Board will last longer against shieldbreakers.
All this depends on your playstyle too though. For an agressive shielder with lower shield skill, I would go for a heater. If I was an agi build like Matey, I'd probably grab a Huscarl too.
If you use a heater and you know how to manual block for when you go against an axe, your shield will last forever.
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i got a masterpiece heavy round shield and i like it a lot. good speed, coverage, hp/armor and at 7.5 weight pretty light. an axe still blows it away in a few hits but that's pretty much all shields. triple loomed it's basically a faster, lighter, cheaper, slightly smaller huscarl.
i tried the heaters but i didn't like how they don't protect my sides very well compared to round shields
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I can't manual block worth shit :D. I have gotten better playing my 1st gen 2h build, but still nothing compaired to some. So by durability i mean the one that can take the most hits, whatever the weapon, before breaking and making me use my pathetic manual blocking skills :mrgreen:
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I can't manual block worth shit :D. I have gotten better playing my 1st gen 2h build, but still nothing compaired to some. So by durability i mean the one that can take the most hits, whatever the weapon, before breaking and making me use my pathetic manual blocking skills :mrgreen:
If that's the case, you're better off with a Huscarl, Heavy Norman or Heavy Board and a high shield skill.
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I can't manual block worth shit :D. I have gotten better playing my 1st gen 2h build, but still nothing compaired to some. So by durability i mean the one that can take the most hits, whatever the weapon, before breaking and making me use my pathetic manual blocking skills :mrgreen:
In that case I suggest you respec to eu3 :wink:
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I recently was turned on to the heavy heather shield, more hp than the hussy, good resistance, way more speed. I like it so much I got me a masterwork one, cheers.