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Title: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: chadz on November 07, 2014, 02:54:00 am
So there was a question that came up in our heads today.

M:BG will be a lot about personalisation, obviously, and a part of that is your own name. So we'll offer a reward level that allows you to reserve your own name. It will most likely be "first pledged first served"

The question that popped up is - what do we do if there is a conflict. What if some troll reserves the name of someone else just to fuck him over. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 07, 2014, 03:25:57 am
Post names that want to be reserved here, so if someone has a probelm they can bring it up.
Assuming this will only be a probelm with people who want to reserve their crpg name, (cuz I don't see how anyone else can troll-steal a name you haven't even used before)

Then check crpg.net (admins and such have the ability to see what characters belong to what accounts right?)
And just figure who is the rightful owner of the name. Then Ask them if they are fine with their name being taken.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: F i n on November 07, 2014, 03:33:53 am
Make it ultra expensive so trolls won't spend their money :)


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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on November 07, 2014, 03:45:37 am
Make it ultra expensive so trolls won't spend their money :)


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This. I wouldn't worry about someone paying money just to fuck with someone.

And if that happens, they can PM you or someone else about it.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 07, 2014, 03:57:41 am
But if you make it too expensive no one would reserve a name anyway because no one would want to pay too much money just so they don't have to add a underscore at the end of their name :lol:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Taser on November 07, 2014, 04:32:03 am
But if you make it too expensive no one would reserve a name anyway because no one would want to pay too much money just so they don't have to add a underscore at the end of their name :lol:

You underestimate the power of a name.




And the willingness of people to spend money on completely trivial things.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 07, 2014, 04:50:49 am
You underestimate the power of a name.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
 
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Jack1 on November 07, 2014, 04:55:04 am
you could release the game as a registration-portion only to the obvous people who might have that happen, as in panos, canary, hetmen etc.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Taser on November 07, 2014, 05:12:49 am
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."


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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Jona on November 07, 2014, 05:41:46 am
I have no idea how Kickstarter works, but I am assuming that you get some sort of email confirmation proving that you supported a project. You can have anyone in crpg who has a name conflict make a forum post showing the important part of the email to prove that they purchased the name-reserving option. You will be able to see their forum account/in-game name, and if they couldn't reserve that name, then you know someone else stole it.

The important question is will you guys be allowing any and all names to be reserved? Will you have any sort of guidelines/restrictions that a name must meet? Personally, I would rather not see "L337_K1LL3r_69" running around in a medieval-era game. Ban the use of any and all numbers, imo.   :D
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Smoothrich on November 07, 2014, 06:03:00 am
Ask yourself, "What Would Chris Roberts Do?"

Never dwell on the consequences of what you offer in your crowd sourcing campaign. Instead, think of all the possibilities that new, more expensive levels of investment could bring to your fans.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 07, 2014, 09:01:23 am
Another question is:
Did you even figure out how naming will work in your game? I could imagine that those kind of details aren't really on your plate right now.

Will it be just one name field with 25 letters? Name and surname? How many letters are allowed anyway? What about "_"? Do you wanna use that like we have to now? Like mentioned before, will you allow numbers in the name field? Are Scholar names already reserved?(:D) Is only the exact string reserved or some combinations of a basic name? Are there titles? How will those work in combination with names? And so on... :?

Naming gonna need its very own rule set...
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Kaido on November 07, 2014, 09:59:42 am
Troll abuse.Doesn't matter how expensive it will be.You didn't get to experience real trolls on this mod maybe because its just a mod and not a standalone game.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Polobow on November 07, 2014, 10:18:55 am
Everyone that registers a name that already exists in cRPG, should verify it with his cRPG account. Every other name should be first come, first served.
If someone not in cRPG coincidentally registers a name that is in cRPG, he gets put in 'reserve' or 'on hold'. If that name is not taken after the kickstarter/other time date, he gets it anyway. You could send a message to that name holder in cRPG.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Kalp on November 07, 2014, 10:26:07 am
Are Scholar names already reserved?(:D)
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: F i n on November 07, 2014, 11:04:01 am
I'm fixated on this idea:

Can obese characters be a stretch goal? Make me bankrupt myself for your game.

Or even a unique reward for donating could be the exclusive option to make fat characters.

lol dude
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: 722_ on November 07, 2014, 11:05:31 am
Ban the use of any and all numbers, imo.   :D

Don't you dare
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 07, 2014, 11:12:17 am
I just know someone will take Umbra again....
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 07, 2014, 11:28:26 am
We post our receipt number here on the forms. If someone jacks your name you post your receipt number and then you guys can check both data bases and give the person back there name.

Protect me!!! PLEASE!!!

You underestimate the power of a name.




And the willingness of people to spend money on completely trivial things.

Take me money!!!

PS My idea has already been stated so oops. Still, great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: NejStark on November 07, 2014, 11:44:05 am
Give priority name reservations to crpg players (on KS ask if people wanting a name reservation are crpg players or not), or people with the feather at least.

Make them have to confirm that by using their crpg profile (a message on website if you can be bothered, or something more clever (sign in with credentials to a new page you've set up for this purpose).
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Andswaru on November 07, 2014, 11:50:51 am
Let everyone who pre-kickstarted login on the melee page once with their prefered username and then the rest can just live with it just like in all other new games.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 07, 2014, 12:01:54 pm
Let everyone who pre-kickstarted login on the melee page once with their prefered username and then the rest can just live with it just like in all other new games.

Eat a bag of dicks son.

I only missed out on giving these cock suckers money because I was away when the whole thing happened and like a week after it closed I came back and saw what was happening. Then I hurled much abuse at the filthy Austrian devil man for not TAKING MY MONEY!
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 07, 2014, 12:37:06 pm
I think the 'first pledge, first serve' mechanic is good enough. I don't see why you should specifically moderate who picks what name when it comes to names used in cRPG, as you won't do it for names used in other games. If Panos pledges quickly and reserves the name GTX, then so be it. Because if Ballswaggler that played Pony Simulator 2k12 reserves the name of Floppydong that also played Pony Simulator 2k12, you won't do shit either.

I find it stupid how much people want to be rewarded for having played cRPG in a completely stand-alone game, especially if they lacked the decency to fork over 50 or even 15 euro's at the start of all this. cRPG players should not enjoy any rights over pledgers coming from other games, why the fuck should they? You played a free mod, good job, get over it. Good way to alienate complete newcomers. I believe the intention is to have a whole lot more people take an interest in this game than this inbred little community of 2000 players.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Casimir on November 07, 2014, 12:56:27 pm
So if we've already invested in the early backing scheme i guess our names haven't been reserved.

I do think it is more than reasonable to put it in at a reward level, just wander how you will work the system to this and how it will link up with the forum accounts.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 07, 2014, 12:56:53 pm
I'll call my first char in M:BG Ballswaggler and the 2nd one Floppydong.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: F i n on November 07, 2014, 01:49:03 pm
You know you want to!

me, personally - yes. :)
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 07, 2014, 01:59:46 pm
Fat characters as a stretch goal, huehuehue, I get it.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 07, 2014, 02:01:20 pm
So, will chadz be reserved or can someone take it?
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Inglorious on November 07, 2014, 04:06:56 pm
I can already see the abuse happening if you make it first pledged first served
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: _GTX_ on November 07, 2014, 04:23:01 pm
I think the 'first pledge, first serve' mechanic is good enough. I don't see why you should specifically moderate who picks what name when it comes to names used in cRPG, as you won't do it for names used in other games. If Panos pledges quickly and reserves the name GTX, then so be it.

Oh you guys would love that. I honestly don't care, why would i pick that name again? There would be no good reason to pick it. I would rather just let it die out, and start fresh, so all the dumb tendencies from c-rpg don't get translated into the new game.

Honestly names shouldn't mean that much, and i feel like the ''first pledged, first served'' is just fine, since thats how it has always been done, afaik.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 07, 2014, 04:58:21 pm
What about clan names? Imagine if some ultra serious my old friends were to use the Krems name, all our years of hard work would be ruined   :cry:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Falka on November 07, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
First world problems.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Hellsing on November 07, 2014, 05:43:10 pm
How about:
don't let people reserve names so everyone can try choosing his/her nickname on start like usual?
I know this won't make donations more attractive, but you don't have to handle crybabies.
Also a name doesn't make you become that person, srsly who has not more than one nickname?  :rolleyes:.
It's a completly different game guys, focus on more important stuff than this, nuff said.

Idea:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Jona on November 07, 2014, 07:49:08 pm
I find it stupid how much people want to be rewarded for having played cRPG in a completely stand-alone game, especially if they lacked the decency to fork over 50 or even 15 euro's at the start of all this. cRPG players should not enjoy any rights over pledgers coming from other games, why the fuck should they? You played a free mod, good job, get over it. Good way to alienate complete newcomers. I believe the intention is to have a whole lot more people take an interest in this game than this inbred little community of 2000 players.

So you "find it stupid how people want to be rewarded for playing crpg" since it is nothing but a free mod, and then you preach that "crpg players shouldn't enjoy any rights over complete newcomers." And you are saying this, all the while having a little badge that signifies you threw some money chadz's way which gives you the ability to "enjoy some rights" that someone who didn't play crpg can't. Alright buddy... you make total sense.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 07, 2014, 09:09:04 pm
I enjoy rights on the basis of throwing money chadz's way, not on the basis of being a cRPG player. Now of course the opportunity to throw money chadz's way was only presented to cRPG players, for obvious reasons, but that is beside the point. Anyone should enjoy rights on the basis of his contribution to the project. Whether you played 3000 hours of cRPG or 3000 hours of Tetris, if you do a 20 euro pledge for the Kickstarter, you make the exact same contribution and should therefore receive the same rewards. Which includes getting similar priority and service when it comes to reserving names.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 07, 2014, 09:15:50 pm
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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Prpavi on November 07, 2014, 09:21:01 pm
So Teeth you think this community contributed nothing by playing this mod for 4+ years, giving feedback, whine, the good and the bad. I see us more as 4 year beta testers than anything else, much was learned from both sides game balance wise, animation wise, map wise... I say we did contribute. But that said I don't think we're the chosen kind and devs should cater to us, but a name is no big deal.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: oguz on November 07, 2014, 09:40:33 pm
whatever you make.make levels more imported like old crpg. not new player friendly  :mad:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 07, 2014, 09:41:34 pm
So Teeth you think this community contributed nothing by playing this mod for 4+ years, giving feedback, whine, the good and the bad. I see us more as 4 year beta testers than anything else, much was learned from both sides game balance wise, animation wise, map wise... I say we did contribute. But that said I don't think we're the chosen kind and devs should cater to us, but a name is no big deal.
It's not like playing this game was some altruistic act of self-sacrifice, we enjoyed playing this game, much like other people enjoyed playing other games. I don't see why we should get our dick sucked just because we liked to play this mod. Besides, cRPG players got the opportunity to support development early on and will probably be forewarned about the arrival of the Kickstarter. From that point on I don't see why for example cRPG Cicero should get priority to reserve his name over the hundreds of other Ciceros. Let alone having any name used by a cRPG player reserved by default, as some people are suggesting. If Tetris Cicero reserves the name Cicero first, he should get it.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Algarn on November 07, 2014, 09:41:37 pm
whatever you make.make levels more imported like old crpg. not new player friendly  :mad:

No, thanks.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 07, 2014, 10:42:30 pm
It's not like playing this game was some altruistic act of self-sacrifice, we enjoyed playing this game, much like other people enjoyed playing other games. I don't see why we should get our dick sucked just because we liked to play this mod. Besides, cRPG players got the opportunity to support development early on and will probably be forewarned about the arrival of the Kickstarter. From that point on I don't see why for example cRPG Cicero should get priority to reserve his name over the hundreds of other Ciceros. Let alone having any name used by a cRPG player reserved by default, as some people are suggesting. If Tetris Cicero reserves the name Cicero first, he should get it.

Choosing a name so we can recognize eachother =/= getting our dick sucked.

It wont be a big deal to new players because they wont care, they will just pick another when they get a message it is taken. I can at least speak for myself when i say it would mean a lot if I could keep my name, i think many other crpg players feel the same since its a small community and we interacted with eachother a lot
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Leshma on November 07, 2014, 11:30:09 pm
whatever you make.make levels more imported like old crpg. not new player friendly  :mad:

There'll be mods for that, just like cRPG is for Warband.

About name reservation. Are you really that attached to your nick? It will be mostly new community (there should be more players than it was in cRPG at peak), you'll be known to your clanmates and rest won't know you anyway.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: cup457 on November 07, 2014, 11:31:01 pm
how am i supposed to e-peen without a cool name
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on November 07, 2014, 11:48:33 pm
A comrade once made the mistake of telling me the clever name he was gonna give his character next gen, so I surreptitiously booked out every feasible similar character combination (I think it was a couple of dozen).

Wasn't worth it, kids, honestly, don't pay for this.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Elio on November 08, 2014, 07:21:43 pm
The question that popped up is - what do we do if there is a conflict. What if some troll reserves the name of someone else just to fuck him over. Any ideas?

I already lost two characters names after chars wipe in 2009-2010 (?), Basile (With Heavy Xbow, 1 h sword and Heavy Board Shield) and Aphelion (the old one on my avatar (http://i.imgur.com/DVMZruw.jpg))

I'm sure someone just created an alt and never use it...

Personally I'm attached to names / pseudonyms, mine and to others, to be able to remember some years later someone with which we once played on a game / mod.

For those who want to make a clean sweep to their past they can still change their name, but I would like to keep mine(s).

So yes It would be nice to reserve some nicknames 2, 3 max or per tickets ?
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: [ptx] on November 08, 2014, 07:41:18 pm
Wait, what, are you people seriously arguing about name reservation in M:BG for... cRPG players? Are you fucking serious?

Why should players of ANOTHER GAME get the right to reserve a name in M:BG? You are, of course, aware, that not all, perhaps not even most, of cRPG players will be buying and playing M:BG?
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: tkn123 on November 08, 2014, 08:03:58 pm
Anyone who takes the name Shagga will have my goats to answer to.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Smoothrich on November 09, 2014, 12:03:35 am
Real talk if there's a legit problem just have admin sanctioned duels over the name
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Kalam on November 09, 2014, 03:51:30 am
Real talk if there's a legit problem just have admin sanctioned duels over the name

Man, you're the Richard Dawkins of trolls. I want to disagree with you because it's coming from you, but the truth is I agree with most of what you say. Honestly, Teeth and PTX are right.

However, if it HAS to be an issue, let it be decided this way.

Because Kaoklai should be able to call himself cmp.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Micah on November 10, 2014, 12:59:22 pm
We would only alienate ourselfes from other players if we implement name reservation other than first to come, first to take. Even most "romantic" attached people should understand, that cRPG and Melee has to be handled as complete different worlds or perhaps as a complete reboot - with no exceptions. We should take care to not let swap to much cRPG into Melee ... im serious ... its not healthy.
What worth for the community one player has, should be worked out at place after the game launch or in beta. It should not be "transfered" over.

We should be careful to not actively support elitism and powerstruggle.

imo Star Citizen did not very good in putting to much attention to wards high pledgers ... its splitting the community.
Or did they ? Afterall, those high pledgers are exactly the people who pulled the pledge-maniac-train as far as it went.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Gnjus on November 10, 2014, 01:26:31 pm
If you can't think of a name unique enough not to be taken by any other person, even as a joke or trolling attempt (not to mention the possibility to "repair" it with a single letter difference without losing it's content) then you probably don't deserve that name in the first place, even in a virtual world. I wouldn't play a char called Teeth, pTx or Micah even if you paid me 5000 euros in advance. I'd rather not play at all, even if the game was the best I've ever played.
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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: BlindGuy on November 10, 2014, 01:33:28 pm
I just know someone will take Umbra again....

Well its a pretty comon nick tbh.


On topic: I payed my money already, i can has name "chadz"? I lik dis name.

Oh you guys would love that. I honestly don't care, why would i pick that name again? There would be no good reason to pick it. I would rather just let it die out, and start fresh, so all the dumb tendencies from c-rpg don't get translated into the new game.

Noone makes jokes about GTX because of the name, you tool, the dumb tendencies WILL go over to any game you play because they are YOUR tendencies :D
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Rebelyell on November 10, 2014, 02:42:09 pm
well I have my name in game already, so what is the problem?
On other hand you can fake existing name with so many ways anyway....

Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: BlindGuy on November 10, 2014, 02:47:30 pm
whatever you make.make levels more imported like old crpg. not new player friendly  :mad:

The exact opposite of what makes a game good.

Go download any one of the million generic asian MMO's and grind like true Sperg if grind is what you want.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Sigibert on November 11, 2014, 07:43:47 am
The exact opposite of what makes a game good.

Go download any one of the million generic asian MMO's and grind like true Sperg if grind is what you want.

hear hear
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 11, 2014, 10:19:18 am
If you can't think of a name unique enough not to be taken by any other person, even as a joke or trolling attempt (not to mention the possibility to "repair" it with a single letter difference without losing it's content) then you probably don't deserve that name in the first place, even in a virtual world. I wouldn't play a char called Teeth, pTx or Micah even if you paid me 5000 euros in advance. I'd rather not play at all, even if the game was the best I've ever played.
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I wasn't really counting on a body part being a reliable or good nickname anyway and I will probably rename for any new games. I agree though, if you as the devs value the cRPG community and notice people reserving certain names just to grief, you could probably manually interfere as I doubt there would be very many instances. Perhaps that does require a disclaimer for name reservation though.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Torben on November 11, 2014, 12:40:47 pm
It would mean a lot to me to recognize the old crpg players by there names.  Hence having an advantage to reserve the crpg name in some way might make my gaming experience in M:BG greater greater.

not a big deal,  but it would be welcome
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2014, 01:09:33 pm
I CALL DIBS ON THE TURKSLAYER.


PANOS THE TURKSLAYER
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 11, 2014, 01:37:20 pm
Yeah, glorifying killing people based on their race, that's a good start. Honestly I think such a name should be bannable both in cRPG and any new game.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2014, 01:41:29 pm
Yeah, glorifying killing people based on their race, that's a good start. Honestly I think such a name should be bannable both in cRPG and any new game.

Turks aint a race.


But then again, Basel the Bulgarslayer was such a neo chocolate chip cookie  :lol:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Leshma on November 11, 2014, 01:45:15 pm
I CALL DIBS ON THE TURKSLAYER.

Doubt you'll have any Turks around to slay. Maybe Blockula or Reyiz, and that's it.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 11, 2014, 02:06:11 pm
I am with Teeth on this one.

Melee will be a commercial product and not some nerdy mod... those kind of names shouldn't be allowed,
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2014, 02:10:24 pm
I am with Teeth on this one.

Melee will be a commercial product and not some nerdy mod... those kind of names shouldn't be allowed,

Don`t forget to ban red, white and black as well, we don`t want people to start calling us nazees  :?
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 11, 2014, 02:12:03 pm
Turks aint a race.
Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.

But then again, Basel the Bulgarslayer was such a neo chocolate chip cookie  :lol:
An emperor that lived a thousands years in an empire that was at war with Bulgars had a comparable nickname, thus it is okay for you to do the same now in an international community that contains many Turks? And yes, he probably was a pretty bad racist and the people that named him probably were racist as well. Teeth the Jewslayer does have a nice ring to it I guess.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Algarn on November 11, 2014, 02:17:49 pm
Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.

Race is a biological concept, not a social concept. Turkish is a nationality, like french, english, or whatever. Black is a color, you can't say about someone he's turkish when it comes to his color of skin. The use of the "race" term to define a skin color is archaïc, and wrong according to biology.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2014, 02:20:05 pm
Race is a social concept, not a biological one. Turks are as much a race as black people are.
An emperor that lived a thousands years in an empire that was at war with Bulgars had a comparable nickname, thus it is okay for you to do the same now in an international community that contains many Turks? And yes, he probably was a pretty bad racist and the people that named him probably were racist as well. Teeth the Jewslayer does have a nice ring to it I guess.

if the turks are allowed to have pictures of Kemal Ataturk posted at this forum (who commited a genocide against Greeks), then I think I`m allowed to use the TurkSlayer name aswell.

Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Leshma on November 11, 2014, 02:33:09 pm
Greek committing genocide against his own people.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 11, 2014, 02:45:38 pm
Race is a biological concept, not a social concept.
Race when used to classify humans is rarely used in a strictly biological sense and it is highly debatable if it is useful at all. In every day of the word 'race' people are definitely not referring to differentations made based solely on genotype. Even if you want to go with a strictly biological definition, Turks might be definable as a race, although I have no idea how biological definitions of human races even work. As you seem so sure of your biological human races, I'd love to see you enlighten me. What human races do exist according to you?

Turkish is a nationality, like french, english, or whatever.
Turkish is far more than a nationality, at the very least it is a very large ethno-linguistic groups spread over many countries. If it was solely a nationality then Panos' name would be even worse, as it would refer only to the current Turks living in Turkey, you know, the ones that are playing this game as well. I hope that Panos is only referring to inhabitants of historical Turkish kingdoms. 

The use of the "race" term to define a skin color is archaïc, and wrong according to biology.
Yet this use is by far, and I mean by far, the most relevant use of the term in language today, which demonstrates that race as a social concept, exists regardless of there being biological human races. And has done so for a long time.

if the turks are allowed to have pictures of Kemal Ataturk posted at this forum (who commited a genocide against Greeks), then I think I`m allowed to use the TurkSlayer name aswell.
I don't see why.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Casimir on November 11, 2014, 02:46:23 pm
seriously can there just for once be a discussion on this forum that doesn't descend into people calling each other racist.

if a person takes offence to a name like that then they really need to grow a pair, this is the internet it's hardly the most upsetting thing you will see in the next hour let alone day.

'oh no someone on a video game called himself the britslayer, i am really hurt by this and might cry'

grow up you social justice warriors.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Teeth on November 11, 2014, 02:58:24 pm
It didn't descend into calling people racists, I started with calling Panos racist. I think equating the way you feel about your ethnicity with the way people from regions like Turkey or the Balkan should feel about theirs, ignores some very important historical differences. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck what you see about my country, language or ethnic group, that does not hold for everyone though. As a developer team that sells a product, you shouldn't want your game turning into 4chan.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 11, 2014, 03:00:07 pm
Lets turn it into a tumblr SJW ecochamber instead  :lol:

Croats are a race, we are black Germans  :oops:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Algarn on November 11, 2014, 03:00:22 pm
Race when used to classify humans is rarely used in a strictly biological sense and it is highly debatable if it is useful at all. In every day of the word 'race' people are definitely not referring to differentations made based solely on genotype. Even if you want to go with a strictly biological definition, Turks might be definable as a race, although I have no idea how biological definitions of human races even work. As you seem so sure of your biological human races, I'd love to see you enlighten me. What human races do exist according to you?
Turkish is far more than a nationality, at the very least it is a very large ethno-linguistic groups spread over many countries. If it was solely a nationality then Panos' name would be even worse, as it would refer only to the current Turks living in Turkey, you know, the ones that are playing this game as well. I hope that Panos is only referring to inhabitants of historical Turkish kingdoms. 
Yet this use is by far, and I mean by far, the most relevant use of the term in language today, which demonstrates that race as a social concept, exists regardless of there being biological human races. And has done so for a long time.
I don't see why.

There's no race as far I remember, since science proved, thanks to genes, that the genetics variations between individuals of a same "group" are more important than the genetic variations betweens different geographicals groups. Those guys in America that are trying to find biological arguments to make re appear the term "race" as a biological term are wrong, and are outlawed.

PS : This means basically there's more genetical variations between "white" people than variations between black and white people. It also means that people trying to find things to create sub groups within the ONLY race, the human race, are pure retards.

PPS : I was just pointing out the use of the term "race" is wrong, I'm not insulting anyone in this thread. Maybe it's time to get back on the actual topic.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Moncho on November 11, 2014, 03:07:40 pm
Sure Casimir, I will be the TurtleSlayer then :D
Personally I would like to keep Moncho (it's a very old real life nickname of mine), but if that is not possible, I will just slightly modify it and move on.
About name moderation, there definitely should be some, but what level is really up to the devs. No matter what the rules are, retards trolls are going to try to bend them as far as they can get away with.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Casimir on November 11, 2014, 03:10:20 pm
It didn't descend into calling people racists, I started with calling Panos racist. I think equating the way you feel about your ethnicity with the way people from regions like Turkey or the Balkan should feel about theirs, ignores some very important historical differences. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck what you see about my country, language or ethnic group, that does not hold for everyone though. As a developer team that sells a product, you shouldn't want your game turning into 4chan.

Oh my god i can't believe you're deriding the way i feel about my ethnicity, that's so judgemental. I feel very strongly about my national racial identity, how dare you! You have triggered me now you racist.

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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Torben on November 11, 2014, 03:13:44 pm
lol
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Algarn on November 11, 2014, 03:17:08 pm
You can't avoid it, and once it's done, there's nothing to do !

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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Casimir on November 11, 2014, 03:21:59 pm
You can't avoid it, and once it's done, there's nothing to do !

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when racism strikes, there is no return
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 11, 2014, 05:31:37 pm
You can't avoid it, and once it's done, there's nothing to do !

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We were actually discussing a name-related issue when you came along all smartass with the Wiki-definition of the term "race" in a biological sense which in no way relates to the daily use of the term... so thanks Algarn for de-railing the thread.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Algarn on November 11, 2014, 07:04:23 pm
We were actually discussing a name-related issue when you came along all smartass with the Wiki-definition of the term "race" in a biological sense which in no way relates to the daily use of the term... so thanks Algarn for de-railing the thread.

Even if I started this one, I'm not the only responsible person about the derailment of the thread, when it came to the page before this one. (And hell, I posted two times only, I know where I have to stop  :wink:).



And in my opinion, there should be some way to avoid some trolls getting other's name, and Gjnus said something which seems to be the solution a bit earlier : admins should control the name reservation, in some way, to avoid cases like the typical one which is that someone is taking a name purely for trolling.

Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 11, 2014, 07:07:11 pm
I don't really care about a name reservation.

I just take my very first and old nick... problem solved :P
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Smoothrich on November 12, 2014, 06:59:04 am
There's no race as far I remember, since science proved, thanks to genes, that the genetics variations between individuals of a same "group" are more important than the genetic variations betweens different geographicals groups. Those guys in America that are trying to find biological arguments to make re appear the term "race" as a biological term are wrong, and are outlawed.

PS : This means basically there's more genetical variations between "white" people than variations between black and white people. It also means that people trying to find things to create sub groups within the ONLY race, the human race, are pure retards.

PPS : I was just pointing out the use of the term "race" is wrong, I'm not insulting anyone in this thread. Maybe it's time to get back on the actual topic.

do me a favor and explain to 2 street tough black dudes how they are ignorant for calling each other brother and thinking that racism exists and get back to us

also apparently there is no difference between humans anywhere on earth? lol. explain to me why slavs have time and time again conquered and dominated every other small, weak, and pathetic race of man, are practically undefeated in all international competitions featuring individual strength, and how even h1tler himself acknowledged right before his end that "the superior race won."

this is ignoring southern slavs ofc lol fucking pathetic
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Prpavi on November 12, 2014, 12:41:20 pm
this is ignoring southern slavs ofc lol fucking pathetic

"Give me 100 000 croatian soldiers and I will conquer all world"

we're basically lazy, thieving, bitter drunks... how low have we fallen since those times  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 12, 2014, 12:53:27 pm
Slav is a way of life. (http://slavsquat.com/) Everyone can be slav in soul. Let us squat together and forget our differences.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Casimir on November 12, 2014, 01:03:08 pm
Slav is a way of life. (http://slavsquat.com/) Everyone can be slav in soul. Let us squat together and forget our differences.

OMG i was looking for this website for so long.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 12, 2014, 01:09:07 pm
ITT... i dont even.

Anyways, im reserving Gravoth the pakibasher of the white masterrace, if any of you steal muh name bad things will happen.

Also Teeth is racist.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Prpavi on November 12, 2014, 01:09:41 pm
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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Molly on November 12, 2014, 04:21:38 pm
I tried squatting in my room once. Can't do it, I keep falling on my back all the time. I can't seem to find my slav balance... :cry:

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Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Prpavi on November 12, 2014, 05:50:25 pm
I tried squatting in my room once. Can't do it, I keep falling on my back all the time. I can't seem to find my slav balance... :cry:

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Really? I squat all the time, find i very relaxing and the tesnion suits my legs
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Umbra on November 13, 2014, 12:33:06 pm
You just aint slav enough Molly. Train by smoking a pack every day and drinking moutwash.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Utrakil on November 13, 2014, 02:28:52 pm
I tried squatting in my room once. Can't do it, I keep falling on my back all the time. I can't seem to find my slav balance... :cry:

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Many westerneuropeans have that problem. because they never squatt some muscles are not stretched enough.
try and put a book under your heels. You will find it much more comfortable.
Title: Re: Melee: Battlegrounds Crowdfunding - Name Reservation Reward
Post by: Switchtense on November 21, 2014, 08:37:19 pm
Dunno if it was already mentioned, but maybe give cRPG players a prioritised name reservation if they buy the package which contains it.

I definitely would hate someone using my name, in fact, it already is the case (Some Gen1 lvl2 guy called Switch who has never played since the day that account was created :cry:)

Then again it would be class to have someone like Panos use Hetmans name or have Hetman use Kesh's name :D