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Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« on: June 01, 2011, 11:25:32 pm »
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Regarding the "Official Survery about item power" (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5439.0.html).

Results were combined into one row per voter. Each buff vote counts as +1 in the appropriate column, each nerf vote counts as -1 and each novote as 0. Votes were then summed by key-column, so if someone voted to both buff and nerf polearms, result in polechange column is 0.

Vote was then combined with information about main character of each forum account. If no main character was set for the account, vote does not appear in the data set. Main characters classes were detected with a magical algorithm and each given a column in the dataset.

Detection magic pseudo code:
Code: [Select]
wp_one_handed >= 50 AND power_strike > 0 THEN '1h'
shield >= 3 THEN 'shield'
wp_two_handed >= 50 AND power_strike > 0 THEN '2h'
wp_polearm >= 50 AND power_strike > 0 THEN 'pole'
wp_archery >= 50 AND power_draw > 0 THEN 'archer'
wp_crossbow >= 50 THEN 'xbow'
wp_throwing >= 50 AND power_throw > 0 THEN 'throwing'
riding >= 3 THEN 'cav'
horse_archery >= 1 THEN 'ha'

Yes, you can debate whether those values make sense and so on. That's the way they are in this dataset.

Final dataset is in csv format (semicolon separated). Columns and their explanations:

class: combined class name (1h/2h/shield)
1h, 2h, pole, shield, archer, xbow, throwing, cav, ha: column name if character has said class, else blank
1hchange, 2hchange etc: account vote, +1 for buff, -1 for nerf, 0 for no change

For example this archer here wanted to buff bows but everything else was fine:
Code: [Select]
archer;;;;;archer;;;;;0;0;0;0;0;0;1;0;0

This polearmer wanted to buff armor and polearms and nerf bows and xbows.
Code: [Select]
pole;;;pole;;;;;;;0;1;0;0;1;0;0;-1;-1

This selfless xbowman wanted to buff armor and throwing, not himself! A reward will be handed out to him.
Code: [Select]
xbow;;;;;;xbow;;;;0;1;0;0;0;0;1;0;0

Data can be found here: http://pastebin.com/i84vhz5C (scroll down to raw paste data)

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 12:19:39 am »
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I have only one char, but not set as main character. Does this mean my vote was forfeit?

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 12:22:17 am »
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For the poll? No. For the collection of this data? Yes.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 12:28:06 am »
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so throwers that vote buff throwing get no reward?  :?

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 12:47:56 am »
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Aha! I voted to buff things that I don't use, and I also voted to nerf one of my own proficiencies, now where's my reward?

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 12:50:22 am »
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so throwers that vote buff throwing get no reward?  :?

Buffed throwing, obviously.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 01:02:48 am »
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I guess one interesting statistic (apart from the obvious LOL EVERYONE BUFFS HIMSELF) is counting the buffs for items that are not being used by the person itself, and counting nerfs to items that are used by the person itself.

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 01:22:35 am »
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Armor wasn't counted though, hmm.

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 01:26:12 am »
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I understand how voting to buff your own main character's class may be discounted, but the votes for nerfing seem like they should be given some credit, because frankly if you are one class, choosign to only nerf 1 or 2 at most (keep it minimal as you said), why would it happen to be your class that you are using among the 6 or 7.  Even unbiased theres a good chance it wouldn't be, and more than likely there is avery legitimate concern over that class's stats.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 02:54:58 am »
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I went ahead and made that data more readable.

If you wanna see the data, go to this Google doc: CLICK HERE FOR THE DATA

It HAS to be that link. (You should not have to have a google account to sign in, just click that link and you are good to go. Also, I'm the only one that can edit it, don't trust you trolls....)

Some notes:
There's approximately 10-15 votes that are counted in there with NO class(those are towards the bottom)
That spreadsheet is 'alphabetized' starting with 1h and going down to xbows.
If that link doesn't work, try again, or clear your cookies.(I have checked it and the link is to the correct data....for now)
This data doesn't include analysis. I just couldn't figure out how to set up excel(not the google docs) to organize the data into a bar/pie graph or something like that. If someone else knows how, go ahead. Otherwise, if you just wanna see what 1h wanted nerfed/buffed/untouched you can go to that spreadsheet.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 03:06:12 am by Lt_Anders »
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 04:13:25 am »
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I went ahead and made that data more readable.

If you wanna see the data, go to this Google doc: CLICK HERE FOR THE DATA
I focused mainly on looking at the dedicated builds: 1h/shield, 2h,pole,archer,pole/cav,cav/ha.
I'm about to puke from all the biased votes. Much of this is just impossible to decipher. Dedicated polearms for example, there were 57 of them, 14 wanted to nerf horses while only two wanted to buff horses. Meanwhile, there were 158 total dedicated 2hers, 28 wanted horses nerfed and 23 wanted them buffed. This just doesn't make sense to me as polearms are arguably much better against horses than two-handers. I've been seeing far fewer two-handers with thrusts in use, this is the only way I can see that one could argue 2hers have an advantage over polearms when fighting horsemen.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2011, 04:22:03 am »
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=Dedicated polearms for example, there were 57 of them, 14 wanted to nerf horses while only two wanted to buff horses.

Haha. I'm one of those two. Number #692. It lists me as polearm/cav, but I only have points in Riding to get hither and thither more quickly.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2011, 04:30:50 am »
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Haha, you're right.  Like 80% or more of the votes for buffing cav came from cav players of various kinds (HA/polearmcav/1hcav, etc.).  The other buff/nerfs are not so bad though with the self-help bias.  You're right Tydeus, it definitely needs to be taken into consideration when they are looking at cav that almost all the people asking for a buff of cav were cav players, really shows how much results were skewed.  Seems a lot of players are cav too or they are just more active in voting.  I wonder if there is a way to remove all the votes to buff their own class could be taken out adn what the new results would show?  Definitely cav would go from a buff to nerf almost instantly, but I wonder what would happen with the other categories as well.

Also, I saw a few with 7-8 votes nerfing and buffing everything, weren't those supposed to be weighted less??? Maybe we should just remove those in the calculations as well.
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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2011, 04:47:00 am »
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I'm about to puke from all the biased votes.

Yup, human species at his best...  :rolleyes: me, me, me, etc....

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Re: Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2011, 04:58:48 am »
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Haha, you're right.  Like 80% or more of the votes for buffing cav came from cav players of various kinds (HA/polearmcav/1hcav, etc.).  The other buff/nerfs are not so bad though with the self-help bias.  You're right Tydeus, it definitely needs to be taken into consideration when they are looking at cav that almost all the people asking for a buff of cav were cav players, really shows how much results were skewed.  Seems a lot of players are cav too or they are just more active in voting.  I wonder if there is a way to remove all the votes to buff their own class could be taken out adn what the new results would show?  Definitely cav would go from a buff to nerf almost instantly, but I wonder what would happen with the other categories as well.

Also, I saw a few with 7-8 votes nerfing and buffing everything, weren't those supposed to be weighted less??? Maybe we should just remove those in the calculations as well.
Well I wasn't exactly trying to pick on cavalry. I have something of a complicated view on horses so personally I chose to say that they shouldn't be changed.

Here's one thing that's kind of intriguing: 26% of "pole" wanted pole's buffed and from Cosmos' graph, we can see that pole's had the largest amount of total votes to be nerfed, at 110. While 41% of "1h/shield" wanted 1h to be buffed. Cosmos' graph shows us that it had the second largest amount of total votes to be buffed, at 116. So we have a 15% difference between how many people of their own class think their weapon should be buffed but total vote results show them as being exactly opposite and clearly showing that "pole", if anything, needs to be nerfed.

1/4 of the class which was voted most in need of a nerf, thinks they should be buffed.

Edit: This doesn't take into account hybrids or cav/pole.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 05:01:23 am by Tydeus »
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