Official Item Survey Result Data & More (OISRDM)

[Baggy]

Surprise surprise maor pole/ 2 hand hate

[Rebelyell]

i see no reason to nerf or buf 2h weapon
in last time it lost a lot of dmg, thrust animation ect. but i think then all is good with 2 weapons.
If you think then 2h need nerf tell me what is wrong with that.
(yes i am 2h  but i post to buff armors)

polearms something wrong is with that stun... really fast bulids can stun outspam me with no problem(my bild is 18 18)
anyway i afraid 2h more on battlefield than polearms players

1h weapon it looks fine maybe you should add +1 speed o balanced weapons

xbows.... is so many arbalest users... soo you know

in my opinion it should works like that:

+3  str for all xbows req
it will prewent us from crazy xbows bulids with super high wpf agility(its hard to hit xbowman with 6,7,or 8 athletic)

xbow skill for all xbows




throwing buff that that need buff
4 war darts in bag?! it is a joke? really funny

So with that 4 wardarts in bag i am able to take 12 in all
with that missile speed accuracy and sily dmg( it take 4 hits to kill someone....)
it suck. Javelins and all other weapons in that class suck so hard then is no reason to use them.

no there is one good weapon! Stones.

armors:

make weight bigger protection better why?

because milanes plate should be like tank, slow and armored.

 
 

[ManOfWar]

Xbows are already pricey as hell! They do not need a nerf. Come on now.

[Kafein]

I did a small program to get correlations between votes/classes and other vote/classes.

For example, you can ask me what is the % of archers asking for a buff of shields. Or the % of people that voted "buff armor" that are crossbow users. Or even what is the proportion of cav that use polearms.

EDIT : just for info :

Out of cav players that voted :

60% use polearms,
44% have a shield
38% use 1h
21% use 2h
16% are HA
13% use a bow
6% use a crossbow
2% use throwing weapons

(the sum is above 100% because many people are both HA and bow for example, or pole and shield)

EDIT 2 : I'm rereading the code for math bugs etc. It lacks any proper interface and such so I'm not publishing anything atm

I posted in the wrong topic lol

Ok this is the output for buffing or being from both classes. Look on the left, all the votes on a line are "the amount of people from the category of the column divided by the amount on the line". One obvious example of this is that all HA are also cav (the (HA,cav) cell is 1).
The columns are in the same order as the lines. So the first column is for 1h, the second for 2h and so on.

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                  1h  0 1.000 0.087 0.291 0.866 0.075 0.134 0.055 0.398 0.043 0.244 0.146 0.350 0.063 0.035 0.213 0.248 0.098 0.098
                  2h  1 0.074 1.000 0.087 0.130 0.057 0.117 0.067 0.191 0.017 0.181 0.177 0.151 0.271 0.050 0.087 0.237 0.104 0.080
                pole  2 0.272 0.096 1.000 0.419 0.033 0.040 0.040 0.592 0.026 0.276 0.195 0.162 0.092 0.180 0.129 0.254 0.099 0.074
              shield  3 0.791 0.140 0.410 1.000 0.025 0.104 0.050 0.428 0.025 0.230 0.147 0.335 0.068 0.054 0.209 0.263 0.083 0.097
              archer  4 0.140 0.125 0.066 0.051 1.000 0.022 0.000 0.272 0.243 0.154 0.118 0.147 0.074 0.022 0.029 0.265 0.426 0.059
                xbow  5 0.405 0.417 0.131 0.345 0.036 1.000 0.000 0.214 0.083 0.214 0.119 0.250 0.131 0.048 0.131 0.250 0.119 0.274
            throwing  6 0.304 0.435 0.239 0.304 0.000 0.000 1.000 0.152 0.065 0.130 0.152 0.196 0.130 0.043 0.065 0.652 0.130 0.043
                 cav  7 0.381 0.215 0.608 0.449 0.140 0.068 0.026 1.000 0.162 0.385 0.204 0.208 0.098 0.106 0.106 0.238 0.162 0.075
                  ha  8 0.256 0.116 0.163 0.163 0.767 0.163 0.070 1.000 1.000 0.326 0.163 0.140 0.000 0.023 0.023 0.256 0.419 0.093
        horseschange  9 0.321 0.365 0.379 0.332 0.162 0.112 0.054 0.415 0.054 0.581 0.235 0.274 0.181 0.141 0.170 0.253 0.166 0.130
         armorchange 10 0.279 0.348 0.363 0.309 0.152 0.083 0.054 0.373 0.054 0.304 0.672 0.221 0.191 0.132 0.196 0.265 0.201 0.137
            1hchange 11 0.399 0.346 0.294 0.434 0.114 0.110 0.053 0.316 0.031 0.285 0.215 0.724 0.158 0.127 0.285 0.259 0.167 0.118
            2hchange 12 0.304 0.405 0.331 0.350 0.128 0.113 0.047 0.339 0.043 0.272 0.261 0.272 0.455 0.148 0.195 0.233 0.167 0.148
          polechange 13 0.280 0.381 0.356 0.331 0.117 0.079 0.050 0.318 0.025 0.285 0.255 0.259 0.243 0.293 0.226 0.238 0.167 0.126
        shieldchange 14 0.322 0.356 0.307 0.346 0.137 0.098 0.049 0.249 0.024 0.259 0.259 0.395 0.205 0.146 0.498 0.249 0.176 0.122
        thrownchange 15 0.291 0.319 0.333 0.337 0.182 0.105 0.109 0.309 0.056 0.204 0.200 0.225 0.137 0.088 0.137 0.765 0.196 0.130
           bowchange 16 0.252 0.335 0.306 0.273 0.269 0.095 0.062 0.364 0.083 0.252 0.227 0.236 0.169 0.128 0.186 0.248 0.479 0.120
          xbowchange 17 0.285 0.355 0.346 0.332 0.173 0.136 0.037 0.327 0.037 0.276 0.257 0.262 0.201 0.164 0.178 0.234 0.196 0.336

I'm still not completly sure of the absence of bugs, so don't take this for gospel

EDIT : I'm nearly certain there are issues with the "change" categories, I'm fixing things up.

[Tydeus]

Ok this is the output for buffing or being from both classes.

Why do it like this? It makes it so you can't see how many 1h wanted to buff 1h, or how many 1h+shields, wanted to buff shields. Makes it rather useless imo.

[Keshian]

Kafein, can youa djust it so that the first 0-8 (your class) is the only thing on the left y axis, and the 9-17 (your requested changes) are the x axis top category so you can see the relation between the two??  As it is now its a lot of irrelevant info (your class is also your class or maybe you are also a 1hander).  Basically the top right quadrant of the graph only.

[Kafein]

Why do it like this? It makes it so you can't see how many 1h wanted to buff 1h, or how many 1h+shields, wanted to buff shields. Makes it rather useless imo.

I fixed the problem and now you can see the column names.

here is the data : votes of the different classes for buffing :

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           horseschange armorchange  1hchange     2hchange     polechange   shieldchange thrownchange bowchange    xbowchange   
        1h 0.2440944882 0.1456692913 0.3503937008 0.0629921260 0.0354330709 0.2125984252 0.2480314961 0.0984251969 0.0984251969
        2h 0.1806020067 0.1772575251 0.1505016722 0.2709030100 0.0501672241 0.0869565217 0.2374581940 0.1036789298 0.0802675585
      pole 0.2757352941 0.1948529412 0.1617647059 0.0919117647 0.1801470588 0.1286764706 0.2536764706 0.0992647059 0.0735294118
    shield 0.2302158273 0.1474820144 0.3345323741 0.0683453237 0.0539568345 0.2086330935 0.2625899281 0.0827338129 0.0971223022
    archer 0.1544117647 0.1176470588 0.1470588235 0.0735294118 0.0220588235 0.0294117647 0.2647058824 0.4264705882 0.0588235294
      xbow 0.2142857143 0.1190476190 0.2500000000 0.1309523810 0.0476190476 0.1309523810 0.2500000000 0.1190476190 0.2738095238
  throwing 0.1304347826 0.1521739130 0.1956521739 0.1304347826 0.0434782609 0.0652173913 0.6521739130 0.1304347826 0.0434782609
       cav 0.3849056604 0.2037735849 0.2075471698 0.0981132075 0.1056603774 0.1056603774 0.2377358491 0.1622641509 0.0754716981
        ha 0.3255813953 0.1627906977 0.1395348837 0.0000000000 0.0232558140 0.0232558140 0.2558139535 0.4186046512 0.0930232558
And now votes for nerfing :

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           horseschange armorchange  1hchange     2hchange     polechange   shieldchange thrownchange bowchange    xbowchange   
        1h 0.1062992126 0.0787401575 0.0078740157 0.2440944882 0.2283464567 0.0472440945 0.0787401575 0.1417322835 0.1417322835
        2h 0.1571906355 0.0602006689 0.1137123746 0.0769230769 0.2541806020 0.1571906355 0.0668896321 0.1672240803 0.1739130435
      pole 0.1102941176 0.0772058824 0.0845588235 0.2205882353 0.1323529412 0.1029411765 0.0955882353 0.1727941176 0.1985294118
    shield 0.1007194245 0.0791366906 0.0215827338 0.2553956835 0.2302158273 0.0467625899 0.0827338129 0.1546762590 0.1582733813
    archer 0.1764705882 0.1102941176 0.0441176471 0.1691176471 0.1838235294 0.1764705882 0.1176470588 0.0514705882 0.2132352941
      xbow 0.1547619048 0.0833333333 0.0476190476 0.2142857143 0.1785714286 0.1071428571 0.1071428571 0.1547619048 0.0714285714
  throwing 0.1956521739 0.0869565217 0.0652173913 0.1304347826 0.2173913043 0.1521739130 0.0217391304 0.1956521739 0.1304347826
       cav 0.0490566038 0.0830188679 0.0641509434 0.2301886792 0.1811320755 0.0867924528 0.0943396226 0.1698113208 0.1886792453
        ha 0.0232558140 0.0930232558 0.0232558140 0.2558139535 0.1162790698 0.0930232558 0.1162790698 0.0465116279 0.0930232558

As you can see 35% of 1h want to see 1h buffed and 21% want to see shields buffed

[Lt_Anders]

Awesome Kafein.

I went ahead and made the spreadsheet now include better data. All Pure builds(aka no wpf in another weapon) are shown with that pure's total change! Hybrids are also organized on there too!

Pure sheet is on Sheet 3, hybrids on sheet 4(seperated by ranged/ non ranged)

CLICK HERE FOR THE DATA

[Keshian]

Thanks Kafein.    Yeh, thats actually interesting 1h, archery, and cav were by far the three highest in buffing their own class.

[Lt_Anders]

Yo kafien, the numbers supposed to be greater than 100%?

[Kafein]

Awesome Kafein.

I went ahead and made the spreadsheet now include better data. All Pure builds(aka no wpf in another weapon) are shown with that pure's total change! Hybrids are also organized on there too!

Pure sheet is on Sheet 3, hybrids on sheet 4(seperated by ranged/ non ranged)

Thank you !

Please note that I don't differenciate between pure and hybrids. All the people with the "1h" tag are taken equally among "1h" voters.

btw, your spreadsheets are excellent too, I wish I wasn't so lazy ><


And yeah Keshian, apart from the throwers with 65%, archers seem to be the first wanting to buff themselves. Another funny fact is HA that are more reluctant to nerf everything they use. In other words, cav accept to be nerfed more than ha accept to nerf cav, and it's the same for bows 

Yo kafien, the numbers supposed to be greater than 100%?

Yes, people can vote for more than one thing and be part of more than one category.

[Kato]

I have alt almost for every class and I think the game is balanced now, expect of throwing.(and i want thrower alt in future)
I haven't set main char, will be probably 1h/shield when strategus come, but people who vote for buffing turtle players really need learn to play. 90% of twohanders are easy target for shielder on level 30, all they need spend few hours on duel server and get same basic footwork, timing and feinting.
I see many shielder on battlefield but rarely on duel server.
When i meet shielder in battle who i now from duel server,I (as average twohander) go away quickly, find some easier target.

[okiN]

Thanks Kafein.    Yeh, thats actually interesting 1h, archery, and cav were by far the three highest in buffing their own class.

What you neglect to mention, however, is that while more 1h voted to buff themselves than with 2h and pole, many more 2h and pole also voted to buff 1h rather than the other class (obviously all three favoured themselves). So that doesn't seem so much to reflect a bias as a general perception that 1h needs a buff more than the other two.

In this context, it's also less surprising that 1h users were the least interested in buffing either of the other two.

[Kafein]

It's also funny to find the higher values of the columns in the nerfing matrix. People seem to vote on an emotional basis (what they lost and now want back).

For example, throwers want to nerf cav the most. Before the latest patches throwing was the best anticav class.
Same for 2h that want to see polearms nerfed. Probably because 2h and swing polearms are extremely close weapon types and the domination changed from 2h to polearms in that category.

Here are the other matrix :

First the class-class matrix :

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           1h           2h           pole         shield       archer       xbow         throwing     cav          ha           
        1h 1.0000000000 0.0866141732 0.2913385827 0.8661417323 0.0748031496 0.1338582677 0.0551181102 0.3976377953 0.0433070866
        2h 0.0735785953 1.0000000000 0.0869565217 0.1304347826 0.0568561873 0.1170568562 0.0668896321 0.1906354515 0.0167224080
      pole 0.2720588235 0.0955882353 1.0000000000 0.4191176471 0.0330882353 0.0404411765 0.0404411765 0.5919117647 0.0257352941
    shield 0.7913669065 0.1402877698 0.4100719424 1.0000000000 0.0251798561 0.1043165468 0.0503597122 0.4280575540 0.0251798561
    archer 0.1397058824 0.1250000000 0.0661764706 0.0514705882 1.0000000000 0.0220588235 0.0000000000 0.2720588235 0.2426470588
      xbow 0.4047619048 0.4166666667 0.1309523810 0.3452380952 0.0357142857 1.0000000000 0.0000000000 0.2142857143 0.0833333333
  throwing 0.3043478261 0.4347826087 0.2391304348 0.3043478261 0.0000000000 0.0000000000 1.0000000000 0.1521739130 0.0652173913
       cav 0.3811320755 0.2150943396 0.6075471698 0.4490566038 0.1396226415 0.0679245283 0.0264150943 1.0000000000 0.1622641509
        ha 0.2558139535 0.1162790698 0.1627906977 0.1627906977 0.7674418605 0.1627906977 0.0697674419 1.0000000000 1.0000000000

That should be read as "x% of people that are in that class on the left also are in that class on the top"

And the buff-buff matrix :

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             horseschange   armorchange    1hchange       2hchange       polechange     shieldchange   thrownchange   bowchange      xbowchange     
horseschange 1.000000000000 0.260869565217 0.329192546584 0.186335403727 0.173913043478 0.186335403727 0.186335403727 0.198757763975 0.149068322981
 armorchange 0.306569343066 1.000000000000 0.189781021898 0.218978102190 0.160583941606 0.204379562044 0.255474452555 0.175182481752 0.145985401460
    1hchange 0.321212121212 0.157575757576 1.000000000000 0.066666666667 0.084848484848 0.381818181818 0.284848484848 0.181818181818 0.145454545455
    2hchange 0.256410256410 0.256410256410 0.094017094017 1.000000000000 0.179487179487 0.094017094017 0.170940170940 0.119658119658 0.128205128205
  polechange 0.400000000000 0.314285714286 0.200000000000 0.300000000000 1.000000000000 0.157142857143 0.157142857143 0.128571428571 0.128571428571
shieldchange 0.294117647059 0.274509803922 0.617647058824 0.107843137255 0.107843137255 1.000000000000 0.245098039216 0.166666666667 0.127450980392
thrownchange 0.137614678899 0.160550458716 0.215596330275 0.091743119266 0.050458715596 0.114678899083 1.000000000000 0.155963302752 0.119266055046
   bowchange 0.275862068966 0.206896551724 0.258620689655 0.120689655172 0.077586206897 0.146551724138 0.293103448276 1.000000000000 0.137931034483
  xbowchange 0.333333333333 0.277777777778 0.333333333333 0.208333333333 0.125000000000 0.180555555556 0.361111111111 0.222222222222 1.000000000000
That should be read as "x% of people that wanted to buff that thing on the left also wanted to buff that thing on the top"

[okiN]

What I like is that while there are no archer/thrower hybrids or throwing crossbowmen, somehow there's a magical 2.2% of archers who also use crossbows, and a shocking 3,6% of crossbow users who are also archers.