Pike + 5ps? (question to exp. pike/longspear users)

[Tot.]

How often will it bounce off torso hits medium armored targets with 5 ps and 105 wpf, no speed bonus?

[[ptx]]

Quite a bit. If you do perfect hits, it won't bounce (pierce, afterall), but pike/longspear just works better/is more reliable with high PS, rather than low. Random damage doesn't help either and a glance with a pike/longspear often means a dead you.

[Tot.]

So would you say that 6 ps would make a big difference?

BTW. This is intended as secondary, support weapon, hence low wpf.

[[ptx]]

Well, 6PS is quite useable already. But, as a secondary weapon, you might try even with 5PS, if it's loomed.

[Joseph Porta]

I always use a Bamboo spear and I have 5 PS, I do fine most of the times but then again I choose for a bamboooooooooo spear for the length, shorter then a pike but for me way more maneouvreable(...idk how to spell it cba to google it. xD) and because im closer to the target i can poke more precisely yet keeping a decent distance, thats my personal experience and i'm new btw but I just thought i'd throw it out here

Edit: I noticed that my polearm wpf is way higher so i think that also makes me poke right more often.

[Tot.]

Edit: I noticed that my polearm wpf is way higher so i think that also makes me poke right more often.

Estimated damage:

150 wpf, 5 ps, 50 enemy body armor

    Minimum: 6
    Average: 13.5
    Maximum: 21


105 wpf, 5 ps, 50 enemy body armor

      Minimum: 3
    Average: 10.5
    Maximum: 18

That's really crap damage anyways to be honest.

[[ptx]]

3 would be a glance, at least against some with some IF. But then again, you usually can work to get at least some speed bonus with these weapons.

[Joseph Porta]

Estimated damage:

150 wpf, 5 ps, 50 enemy body armor

    Minimum: 6
    Average: 13.5
    Maximum: 21


105 wpf, 5 ps, 50 enemy body armor

      Minimum: 3
    Average: 10.5
    Maximum: 18

That's really crap damage anyways to be honest.

I see I still have alot to learn xD

[Ronin]

I think you are capable to produce interesting thoughts, you just need some experience.
1- For getting some actual results, go and try.
2- But before than that, go and try it statistically in the damage calculators.

You'll be fine mate

[Turboflex]

I have a 15/24 pikeman alt that I play as support mostly, sitting behind infantry and thrusting at targets of opportunity. I wear light mail (mail shirt) and use my athletics, and jumps to generate speed bonus.

I find overall its very effective, and I get a very nice amount of kills and even more assists from stunning people to set them up for a killshot by some str juicehead. The 8 athletics and light armour lets me rove behind the line easily, switching up targets, and backing out of trouble if someone rushes me.

The other style of being more of a "duelist" pikeman, wearing plate and defending yourself with fancy spin moves, not worrying about being on the frontline would definitely be more effective with a STR build.

[Digglez]

Longspear & pike are support weapons.  You need speed to get to where you are needed.  9 times out of 10, someone will be charging AT you, so you have awesome speed bonuses.

Aim for heads or feet if they are wearing shitty gear.

15/21 & 15/24 are best builds IMO.  Nearly all of NH spears use one of those 2.

[Joseph Porta]

Making half spins while thrusting your spear also gives speed bonus', right?

[Malke]

I use 21/15 7ps 7if 5ag 5wm 5riding The riding is just for fun I suppose. I use a Longspear exclusively. Put a nice spin into your thrusts and it should hit home.

[Turboflex]

Making half spins while thrusting your spear also gives speed bonus', right?

half jump-spins, even 360 jump-spins generate a lot of speed bonus, even simple non-jump u-turn moves, longspear is better at it than pike, there are some very deadly longspear duelists (a lot of people never really figure out their predictable, but tricky, patterns). But if you are playing support though, standing in formation behind friendly infantry and picking up people rushing into attack them (in which case, the extra range of pike vs longspear is the better support weapon), you wouldn't be using these moves a lot except in desperation if your line was collapsing, you'd be picking targets and using relative speed bonus, as Diggles said, aim for headshots, or feet (if they are doing something like wearing metal body armour but leather boots, like a lot of infantry do).

[Vibe]

Making half spins while thrusting your spear also gives speed bonus', right?

no

half jump-spins, even 360 jump-spins generate a lot of speed bonus, even simple non-jump u-turn moves, longspear is better at it than pike, there are some very deadly longspear duelists (a lot of people never really figure out their predictable, but tricky, patterns). But if you are playing support though, standing in formation behind friendly infantry and picking up people rushing into attack them (in which case, the extra range of pike vs longspear is the better support weapon), you wouldn't be using these moves a lot except in desperation if your line was collapsing, you'd be picking targets and using relative speed bonus, as Diggles said, aim for headshots, or feet (if they are doing something like wearing metal body armour but leather boots, like a lot of infantry do).

no

just spinning does NOT give you any speedbonus at all