Make the Riding and Athletic skills require both Agi and Str to develop

[Torben]

i seriously dont get the point why you want to nerf everything.  its awsome to have extremes,  and i love seeing skilled str builds kill half a team just like i love seeing high skilled ninjas sneaking around backsslashing jumping and running and what not.

deversity for the win.  fuck this communist equality crave.

[Torben]

It will solve the 18/24 or 18/21 builds

srsly.  what is there to solve.  lets solve trees.  and peanutbutter.

[Rumblood]

It will solve the 18/24 or 18/21 builds, it's not only archer specific, 2h and polearm use such builds a lot too, not to mention cavalry. It's aim is to reduce average speed of cavalry and nerf agi builds.

Why exactly does the game need to slow down? You old? 

[Gorath]

It will solve the 18/24 or 18/21 builds,.....
and nerf agi builds.

And what is your issue with 18/21(4) builds instead of 30/9 builds which run rampant across the land now that agility is worthless compared to STR?  We're all having the same problem trying to comprehend how you could be having problems with underpowered, gimpy, and weak agility builds compared to the STR build domination which is the current state of the game.

[Tears of Destiny]

And what is your issue with 18/21(4) builds instead of 30/9 builds which run rampant across the land now that agility is worthless compared to STR?  We're all having the same problem trying to comprehend how you could be having problems with underpowered, gimpy, and weak agility builds compared to the STR build domination which is the current state of the game.

This really.

If anything, nerf my 36/3 12PS 11IF character that shatters people in siege or any battlemap with more then 50 players. I have been couched by Tommy or Roh' and lived, laughing manically in my Transitional+ armour. If I ever decide to swap out my HBS for a Claymore or Mallet or Morningstar, not much stands up to my abuse.

STR builds are just silly powerful right now. Even "balanced' STR builds like 27/12 work wonders for polearms, two handers and shielders. This too is silly.

[Torben]

silly maybe,  but way cool.  i want all that shit.  i plead to the chadzs that deversity will win over cruel uniformity. 

its a bit like in the real world:  i want hot shots,  cripples,  hunks,  heteros,  homos,  women,  men, ugly,  beautiful,  strong,  weak,  fat,  thin, fuck it,  even LECHs to live,  let live,  get born and die in one big happy chunk of life,  and not a uniform-as-fuck-world in which everyone different doesnt get a chance. (sooner or later someone had to bring a chocolate chip cookie thing into this thread)  so ya!  stop nerfing!  stop chocolate chip cookieing around!!  say yes to...

life ^^

[Gorath]

silly maybe,  but way cool.  i want all that shit.  i plead to the chadzs that deversity will win over cruel uniformity. 

its a bit like in the real world:  i want hot shots,  cripples,  hunks,  heteros,  homos,  women,  men, ugly,  beautiful,  strong,  weak,  fat,  thin, fuck it,  even LECHs to live,  let live,  get born and die in one big happy chunk of life,  and not a uniform-as-fuck-world in which everyone different doesnt get a chance. (sooner or later someone had to bring a chocolate chip cookie thing into this thread)  so ya!  stop nerfing!  stop chocolate chip cookieing around!!  say yes to...

life ^^

If this is true then AGI needs to be buffed to be in line with the power of STR builds.  Athletics needs to make a MUCH greater difference, even/especially in armor above leather and such. 

[Torben]

If this is true then AGI needs to be buffed to be in line with the power of STR builds.  Athletics needs to make a MUCH greater difference, even/especially in armor above leather and such.

would be fine with me

[Lech]

And what is your issue with 18/21(4) builds instead of 30/9 builds which run rampant across the land now that agility is worthless compared to STR?  We're all having the same problem trying to comprehend how you could be having problems with underpowered, gimpy, and weak agility builds compared to the STR build domination which is the current state of the game.

Agi shielders might be up, but agi polearm and 2h users do more than fine. Most 2h swords and long war axe require just 15 str and  with 43+ damage they don't need much powerstrike to be effective. They don't even require 5 tbh to 2 hit kill most people. Imo, athletic footwork advantage is more effective than one additional hit or less turning into strikes, considering you can dance dodge arrows and bolts.

Anyway, with changed soak and reduction values that will probably be in next patch, agility would regain it's position.

Also, look at the perfect builds (33+), most of them are high agi builds. If athletic sucks, why so many people want 7+ ?

[Cyclopsided]

Also, look at the perfect builds (33+), most of them are high agi builds. If athletic sucks, why so many people want 7+ ?

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Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

    Strength: 30
    Agility: 12
    Hit points: 77

    Skills to attributes: 4

    Ironflesh: 6
    Power Strike: 10
    Shield: 4
    Athletics: 4
    Riding: 4
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 4

    One Handed: 102
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 120
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
If i had 9 to 12 Heirloom points and level 35? I would make this. No Contest. What do I need more athletics for? You can't dance me in melee. Chase an archer? I've got a shield. or a horse. or both.
This is a: Pikeman, Pole arm spammer, Hoplite, 1h / Shield, Swash buckler, Lancer, 1h Cav.
If I am in light armor I am going to be fast. If I put on A lordly Gothic Plate w/ Bevor + Lordly Plate Mittens? You won't kill me. Sorry bro, I don't have to chase you then because if you can outrun me, you're too weak to get through my armor in an agility build.

[Trikipum]

But lancer CAN make build with more riding than HA.

Strength: 12
Agility: 27
Hit points: 49
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 1
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 9
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 181
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Maybe lancers just Don't Want to be faster, and prefer more durable builds?

that build is retarded for a lancer. You basically have no hp and go at silly speeds on horse... good luck if a fly passes on front of you while doing so, coz it may kill you XD.

[Seawied]

But lancer CAN make build with more riding than HA.

Strength: 12
Agility: 27
Hit points: 49
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 1
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 9
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 181
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

Maybe lancers just Don't Want to be faster, and prefer more durable builds?

Lancers need the PS to go for the 1-shot. I wouldn't recommend 4 PS and 1 IF. On top of this, WPF isn't as important to a lancer as damage and health.

[Torben]

my favorite lancer build is  the 21/15 with 5ps and 7 riding,  7 athl