Solid Builds

[Vibe]

18/21. as listed in the thread start.
If you want to just go pew pew pew with a horn bow, 15-24 works pretty well for cookie cutter... but the damage is so low in my opinion.

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Thanks, and excuse my laziness

[Cyclopsided]

I wanted to add a great 1h/thrower hybrid that you probably already found out but I'm loving:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 15
    * Hit points: 56

    * Skills to attributes: 2

    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 5
    * Athletics: 5
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 7
    * Weapon Master: 5

    * One Handed: 104
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 1
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 120

You can go armoured shielder with a huscarl and 3 jarids. I don't feel to disadvantaged with the low 1h wpf since I use an elite scimitar. Pick is a good alternative too.
If you hit lvl 31, you can contribute an attribute point into 2 skill points and get 3 IF. If you hit level 32, you can add another 3 IF.

I have the same build as a hoplite right now. It is the way to go for a balanced throwing + shield character.

[Mtemtko]

21/18 mw longbow, bad idea? Probably too slow but is the 6-7 PD difference noticeable?

[sWalker]

24/18 is my longbow build...and yes the difference in 8...now 9 pd is very noticeable both in c-rpg and strat.  Not a build for those that can't aim though.

[The_Angle]

My new favorite 1h build:

* Strength: 21
    * Agility: 18
    * Hit points: 70

    * Skills to attributes: 8

    * Ironflesh: 7
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 6
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 3

    * One Handed: 130
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 1
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

Fast enough to run around and ruin everyone's day with your super-fast 1 hander.

Has anyone else used this build and does anyone really feel a difference from the athletics change?

[Karmazyn]

Piggy backing on this, agility is a double edged sword. Your athletics makes you move faster, can give you a bit of movement speed bonus but you'll pay less attention to correct footwork direction usually by crutching on the speed. it makes you a worse player. Your athletics means you move faster at the enemy too, so your speed bonus works against you as well, especially when you step into their swing...
 Higher WPF does not allow you or them to spam. I regularly double-swing people on my 36/3 build and destroy them because direction you step and swing in > speed of the speed and direction you step (besides it is a very small amount you get from wpf..). Weapon speed effects your attack speed more than WPF. Remember that.

Let's say I'm fighting a 15/24 agi 2h on my 36/3 build. This is a more extreme example, but you'll get the point.
1) He tries to circle me. I match his turn rate because athletics doesn't touch character turn rate, and he ends up walking into the direction of my swing and gets onehit.
2) he tries to backpeddle me. I don't chase him so he just looks like a coward playing with himself 10 feet away while I go back to killing dudes. If he comes back we'll fight like #3.
3)He fights me straight-up and is at a severe disadvantage due to needing 4-8 hits to kill me, while I need only one or two to kill him. He does not swing any faster and can not break the block-swing cycle.
4) Due to his low HP amount he can not risk to do chambers, while I can risk 2 or 3 chamber attempts safely while knowing I won't die to his weak swings. If I chamber any of his side swings I'll win the fight.
5)If he glances due to his low damage, which is likely, I automatically win because he can't block my swing.
6) He tries fancy footwork side step spam stuff and just steps into a swing and dies.
7)He gets to fights a bit faster than me. If a team of strength builds fight a team of agi builds with equal skill, the strength will win every time. getting to the fight faster means nothing if you can't take 2 hits when you get there.

Is it really so easy to decide?

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If 2 str meet 1 agi, agi will easy retreat to own lines.
If 2 agi meet 1 str build, they will hit him from different sides until he die (same skill level).
= agi can mostly break the fight, str never.

[espooo]

Can someone make a list of various Hoplite builds?
Also weapon comparisons?

[Cyclopsided]

Can someone make a list of various Hoplite builds?
Also weapon comparisons?

I've posted a lot on these in other hoplite threads, including stuff on every hoplite spear's pros and cons. I could go through and find them but I'm going to bed right now. Remind me tomorrow espo.

[espooo]

I've posted a lot on these in other hoplite threads, including stuff on every hoplite spear's pros and cons. I could go through and find them but I'm going to bed right now. Remind me tomorrow espo.

Ok, will do.

[espooo]

Dammit brunchlady. Post those hoplite builds!!!!!!!1

[Cyclopsided]

D: My bad.
imo 21/15 is best hoplite build, but I will list others. First weapons, though.

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Shortened Spear: Short, fast, low damage. Does not out-range lancers. Does not stop horses. Can be pretty good in 1v1, but awful for support. Cheap.
Throwing Lance: Same in melee as shortened spear.
Bamboo spear: Long, not too slow but just fast enough, low damage. Most reach of any weapon that can be used with a shield. Has same effective reach as a long spear. Amazing BEST for support, pretty bad in 1v1 but do-able. Cheap.
Spear:short, fast, decent damage. Does not out-range lancers, but stops horses. Cheap.
Light Lance: Pretty long, pretty slow and decent damage. Will out-range lancers if you hit the horse. perfectly matches hoplite style.
Red tassel spear: Medium length, fast, decent damage. Barely doesn't out-range lancers. Stylish.
War Spear: Medium length, fast, decent damage. Barely doesn't out-range lancers. Stylish.
Battle fork: Kinda short, alright speed, Lots of damage. Does not match hoplite style, and is tbh just an inferior shorter awlpike. Does not out-range lancers
Awlpike: Best hoplite weapon performance wise, but doesn't fit hoplite style. Pretty long, decent speed, Most damage.
Double Sided lance: Kinda short, alright speed, lots of damage. Stylish. Does not out-range lancers.

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All builds will be referenced to 21/15 for comparison of pros/cons in notes.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 27
    Agility: 12
    Hit points: 66

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 2
    Power Strike: 9
    Shield: 4
    Athletics: 4
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 4

    One Handed: 50
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 133
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: Slow, Hits HARD. Can't use a huscarl shield.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 28
    Agility: 9
    Hit points: 81

    Skills to attributes: 4

    Ironflesh: 9
    Power Strike: 9
    Shield: 3
    Athletics: 3
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 3

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 131
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: Slow, hard hitting. Can still use round shields, although heater shields are more likely for this build. 28/9 due to 2 extra skill points that can't be placed; but that can be added to strength for damage. Tank of hoplites -- Not as good at suppor tin Unorganized combat, but better at support in tight-knit organized combat.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 24
    Agility: 15
    Hit points: 59

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 8
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 5

    One Handed: 88
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 130
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: Higher damage, no IF. Dishes out a bit more but takes a bit less.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 15
    Hit points: 70

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 7
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 5
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 5

    One Handed: 88
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 130
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Standard beastly Hoplite. Takes hits with IF well.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 18
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 63

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 5
    Power Strike: 6
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 6

    One Handed: 100
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 134
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
note: "balanced" hoplite. Bit faster, bit less damage. Takes less hits. Movement speed helps with support roles in unorganized play.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 15
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 56

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 3
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 7
    Athletics: 7
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 7

    One Handed: 110
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 139
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: fast Support hoplite, does not do much damage though. Does not take many hits to be killed.

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 12
    Agility: 24
    Hit points: 49

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 1
    Power Strike: 4
    Shield: 8
    Athletics: 8
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 8

    One Handed: 110
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 151
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: Fast, weak. Support character that can poke and run away if stuff goes wrong. Only recommend using awlpike with this build, or else you won't do enough damage. Can NOT take hits.

[Formless]

Isn't 21/15 a bit slow for a hoplite build?

[Cyclopsided]

Isn't 21/15 a bit slow for a hoplite build?

Nope. 5 athletics is plenty for any build.
 But I put the full spectrum of all the builds and their pros and cons for people.

I just respecced CanYouBlockDown into 12/30. Most fun I've had in a while, although agility builds are pretty awful since you die in 1 hit all day long. FUn but not as effective as strength, y'know?

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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 12
    Agility: 30
    Hit points: 47

    Skills to attributes: 14

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 4
    Shield: 3
    Athletics: 10
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 0

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 111
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1
Note: WHO NEEDS WEAPON MASTER! WHAT A WASTE OF SKILL POINTS!
For serious: This is the fastest and most obnoxious awlpike & shield build possible, and is actually really effective considering it is an agi build. If you didn't have a shield you would get one-hit by arrows since agility is so fragile, but it makes up for that! You can even use the brown lion heater or a round shield!
Also: No really, weapon master is pointless unless you are: a multi-weapon hybrid, ranged character, or someone in full plate. People have been asking what my WPF on this character was all last night, assuming I had like 180. Nope, 111. Pointless skill.

[Corwin]

I have just tested 18/24 build for level 30.
I must say it is awesome, and that this will definitely be my future build for playing twohander.

18 STR
24 AGI
0 IF
6 PS
8 ATH
3 WM (130 wpf)

With Danish/german, miaodao or war cleaver, this is awesome build.

[Formless]

Nope. 5 athletics is plenty for any build.
 But I put the full spectrum of all the builds and their pros and cons for people.

Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it.  I am trying a hoplite build right now and yeah I think you're right, 5 athletics is plenty, especially in large group fights. 

P.S  You were also right about the Awlpike works great.