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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011, 07:44:18 am »
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Curious, but this is a pretty big change to make in secret. It'd be nice if this was the case, but can you prove it somehow?

It was known as complete BS before the patch, and it still is.

Literally anyone can test it out for its veracity, just buy nomad and khergit bow and use your current power draw and show it.

You do understand that with the same wpf a khergit bow will always have more accuracy than a strong bow right?
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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 08:46:22 am »
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You do understand that with the same wpf a khergit bow will always have more accuracy than a strong bow right?

Stop trolling and actually test it out for yourself before talking with your ass rather than your mouth.  With the exact same powerdraw and wpf, without the powerdraw being higher then the bow you are using effecting your accuracy, the strong bow would have ever so slightly higher accuracy(see below), but if you test it out the reticule of the khergit is 2/3rds the size of the strong bow at powerdraw 5.  I also tested this just before I raised my powerdraw from 4 to 5 against the static target and it shrank roughly by a third its size once i increased the power draw by 1 for the khergit  (Did same test from pwrdrw 5 to 6 with those 2 bows and warbow, smaller gain on khergit that time, same gain with strongbow).  Also, your reticule size is held for longer in the smaller reticule size the more your powerdraw exceeds your bow's requirement.

Khergit Bow 4978 weight 1.25
requirement 4
spd rtng 65
shoot speed 57
thrust damage 22 cut
accuracy 95 
 
Strong Bow 6580 weight 1.25
requirement 5
spd rtng 63
shoot speed 59
thrust damage 24 cut
accuracy 96 


I took the time to test this several times with several different archer builds.  So far the most effective was 6 powerdraw with khergit (consistently topped boards with that) but im still doing more tests.  I am trying to provide info from that, you can choose to ignore it or use it, its entirely up to you.  I would recommend everyone test it our for themselves as its easy enough to prove.  The other stuff I discovered from testing takes more levelling to prove so I didnt post it, but what I have posted is easily provable with any assortment of bows.
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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 11:10:49 am »
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Thanks for the replies Keshian. I realize this is quite a change from previous patches but it also answers my questions. I'll be sure to test this all during my next play session like you said.

At any rate, this means that I should be able to do my 18/18 build with 6 PD and I'll be able to downgrade to Kherghit bow if I find the higher tier bows don't suit my playstyle and wpf.

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 04:21:13 pm »
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Yeah Im going with Keshian....

Man there is gonna be so much QQing over this.  Damage plus accuracy.  Watch out fools!

I might start being good!!!

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 05:04:32 pm »
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It was known as complete BS before the patch, and it still is.

You do understand that with the same wpf a khergit bow will always have more accuracy than a strong bow right?

yeah this time it's true not sure what the problem with both of you ... maybe you should get married, but still, kesh claim is true and

at 150 wpf/7pd strong bow have a better acc the khergit. gonna try 150 wpf and pd8 soon
« Last Edit: January 12, 2011, 05:06:02 pm by forgivers »
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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 05:34:20 pm »
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Thanks guys for all the info. Im building my low lvl archer to PD6 +WM8+ Warbow but now after reading this thread I'm having second thoughts about it. Please report your further testing results, I'm lvl 11 now and can't do much testing myself yet. Thanks!

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 05:44:09 pm »
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whats a good level of athletics for an archer?  When do you stop?

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 07:02:38 pm »
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whats a good level of athletics for an archer?  When do you stop?

Whatever your agility allows as maximum, same as weaponamster, but post-patch less push for higher agility so its more limited byhaving a higher strengtha nd lower agility.
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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 07:15:59 pm »
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Whatever your agility allows as maximum, same as weaponamster, but post-patch less push for higher agility so its more limited byhaving a higher strengtha nd lower agility.

cool I was worried I put to much in.  Thanks!

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 08:01:11 pm »
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at 150 wpf/7pd strong bow have a better acc the khergit

Doubt it.

Tested with my build. 7pd. 152 wpf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrWUaBlo-Y

Also you can test dispersion of the bows. Just shoot 10-arrows at target with strong, khergit, warbow, longbow.
And think twice before heirlooming your |consumer choice| bow. I found my masterwork warbow (6 pd req. 98 acc. 30 damage) less accurate than standart longbow (6 pd req. 96 acc. 30 damage).

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2011, 08:19:38 pm »
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Well the strong bow has higher accuracy than the khergit one.

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2011, 08:41:58 pm »
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Thought about posting this earlier. Both of these reticles are unzoomed.


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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2011, 08:50:41 pm »
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Doubt it.

Tested with my build. 7pd. 152 wpf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrWUaBlo-Y

Also you can test dispersion of the bows. Just shoot 10-arrows at target with strong, khergit, warbow, longbow.
And think twice before heirlooming your |consumer choice| bow. I found my masterwork warbow (6 pd req. 98 acc. 30 damage) less accurate than standart longbow (6 pd req. 96 acc. 30 damage).

Yeh, im having the same issue with my masterwork warbow.  Still trying to work around it and get a better build for it.  Am using 8 powerdraw with 137 wpf right now and do okay with it, will go 9 powerdraw this time around, next generation will try with 7 powerdraw and 152 wpf, though I am going to start heirlooming my khergit in the meanwhile.  The higher level bows in general seem to have a few more balancing issues between powerdraw and wpf and their impact on accuracy because of the level cap.

I was also testing dispersion, but thats harder to show as consistently and easily so its more of a feel for me, then something I want to post as certainly correct.
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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2011, 09:20:43 pm »
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hello there !

 tought i do not speak english very well i'am not sure i really understand what  some of you say.

so can u confirm me that plz ? :

using a bow like kergit who need 4 pd, with  your  own power draw skill at 6 increase your accuracy ???

i was believe that  the higher your PD is , the most it decrease your accuracy because it drop your archery wpf...

that's why, with the new soft cap at lvl 30 i plan to use template like this :

"Level: 30
  Strength: 15
  Agility: 21 (2 skillpoint was converted)
 
  Ironflesh: 5
  Power Strike: 5
  Athletics: 7
  Power Draw: 5
  Weapon Master: 7"

to maximise my archery wpf.
but i will use a strongbow and not be able to use war or longbow.


 

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Re: Questions about Archery, Powerdraw, and Archer builds.
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2011, 10:50:10 pm »
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Yeh, im having the same issue with my masterwork warbow.  Still trying to work around it and get a better build for it.  Am using 8 powerdraw with 137 wpf right now and do okay with it, will go 9 powerdraw this time around, next generation will try with 7 powerdraw and 152 wpf, though I am going to start heirlooming my khergit in the meanwhile.  The higher level bows in general seem to have a few more balancing issues between powerdraw and wpf and their impact on accuracy because of the level cap.

I was also testing dispersion, but thats harder to show as consistently and easily so its more of a feel for me, then something I want to post as certainly correct.

right now i have 7PD and 154 wpf, this made the strong bow alot more accurate then with 6 PD 150wpf, 
Now it made the war bow a little more accurate, i can still get either PD8 or WM7 with that build
just cant make my mind between PD 8 wpf 154 or PD7 161 wpf

realy wonder wich 1 ll be the most accurate
« Last Edit: January 12, 2011, 10:52:15 pm by forgivers »
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