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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2011, 09:49:09 pm »
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Hence why I see my job as killing those cav who try to get afkers.
vey few would agree on that...
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2011, 10:10:16 pm »
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And why would that be?

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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #152 on: June 27, 2011, 02:58:54 am »
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I'll make a HA video whenever I can play. Working full time, summer uni classes + life = little time to play.
Also, I have declared myself #1 NA hybrid thrower
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2011, 03:26:52 am »
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Working full time x summer uni classes + life = no one sees Marathon in-game ever again.

your formula didn't check out. I fixed it for you.
So with PT >10 stones become simple too effective
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2011, 05:38:21 pm »
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I'll make a HA video whenever I can play. Working full time, summer uni classes + life = little time to play.

So in other words your spitting bull. It takes 5 mins to film yourself playing. You don't really need to edit it properly. I work full time, and just had exams, and I still find the time to play an hour or so here and there :lol:
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2011, 09:17:28 pm »
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And why would that be?
in this whole topic you havent made a decent argument not to nerf HAs.
And it being hard, which i dont agree with isnt a decent one.
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2011, 09:48:24 pm »
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in this whole topic you havent made a decent argument not to nerf HAs.
And it being hard, which i dont agree with isnt a decent one.

In this whole topic no one has made a decent argument to nerf HAs  :lol:

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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #157 on: June 27, 2011, 09:52:31 pm »
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In this whole topic no one has made a decent argument to nerf HAs  :lol:

You are so funny...

Cmon, you're not even TRYING to think rationally about this, and you are clearly very biased. There is nothing wrong with that IF you can realize that yourself, listen to what others have to say and try to come up with constructive argumets. But right now you're just derping all over the place.
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #158 on: June 27, 2011, 09:57:50 pm »
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In this whole topic no one has made a decent argument to nerf HAs  :lol:

They're a tricky class to get balanced right. And Dezilagel, he might be very biased toward cav, but he is correct on this instance. How do you balance HA without making cav too weak? I think the status quo is decent enough for the moment, but it could be better. I don't have any solid suggestions to improve the current state however.
So with PT >10 stones become simple too effective
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #159 on: June 27, 2011, 10:03:06 pm »
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They're a tricky class to get balanced right. And Dezilagel, he might be very biased toward cav, but he is correct on this instance. How do you balance HA without making cav too weak? I think the status quo is decent enough for the moment, but it could be better. I don't have any solid suggestions to improve the current state however.

make strongbow unusable from horseback; this would also get rd of the problem with the best 1-slot bow also being available for HA's (why wouldnt you have a horse if you'll use he same bow anyways? (don't answer this))

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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #160 on: June 27, 2011, 10:09:22 pm »
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They're a tricky class to get balanced right. And Dezilagel, he might be very biased toward cav, but he is correct on this instance. How do you balance HA without making cav too weak? I think the status quo is decent enough for the moment, but it could be better. I don't have any solid suggestions to improve the current state however.

Lol, I'm dedicated pole inf and despise lancecav over (almost) all other classes xD

On topic though: My suggestion of a fix for HA would be something to reduce their "invincibility", especially at really close distances (swaying juuuust outside of inf melee range should just not be possible) while retaining the balance vs lancecav. The common suggestion of a  -maneuver/+hp "burf" for horses fits perfectly with this, and I much approve of the idea. The reduction in acceleration from the maneuver nerf also fits perfectly (as otherwise things would basically stay the same for HA vs inf).



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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #161 on: June 27, 2011, 10:11:06 pm »
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make strongbow unusable from horseback; this would also get rd of the problem with the best 1-slot bow also being available for HA's (why wouldnt you have a horse if you'll use he same bow anyways? (don't answer this))

Agreed, as i have already suggested before. But it seems people like to forget posts that displeases them.
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #162 on: June 27, 2011, 10:27:25 pm »
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That's because it's a silly suggestion. An HA already does very minimal damage. It's rare that an HA will get 1vs1 with an opponent and have the chance to pump 6-7 arrows in to the person (that's how much it can take against medium armoured people, 5pd and MW strongbow with bodkins). Most kills are either on light armoured or shots on people who have taken heavy damage.

Removing the Strongbow would simply make getting kills even harder. That extra 3 cut damage makes a big difference. However, I did support the suggestion of adding a 1 slot bow that does slightly more damage than a Strongbow, but cannot be used on horseback. I think that's a good compromise from the foot archers pov (can't remember who suggested it).

As to the manoeuvre/hp argument. Again that has to be taken horse by horse. The Arabian I can agree to that. But horses like the courser actually don't have very good manoeuvrability. If you see an HA moving in tight circles on a courser, it's because they are riding very slowly. In which case you could probably run to catch up to them anyway (their acceleration isn't great). So a flat out manoeuvre/HP exchange won't work.

Also yes...re-adding throwing will help.

There you go...constructive comments for a change :rolleyes:
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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #163 on: June 27, 2011, 10:29:15 pm »
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I don't see how would making strong bow not usable from horseback any more balanced, since I would go then with 12/30 build with ha 5 and everyone would scream when I shoot them from other side of the map. I would say we should wait for the next patch first, and see how Arabian horse nerf and throwing buff affects horse archery.

Also, I would like to know how many here has tried horse archery? Because I can name only a dozen (probably less) horse archers that isn't a joke in the EU servers.

And I would prefer seeing warbow as one slot instead of strong bow not being usable from horseback.

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Re: OP Horse Archers
« Reply #164 on: June 27, 2011, 10:30:39 pm »
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Also, I would like to know how many here has tried horse archery? Because I can name only a dozen (probably less) horse archers that isn't a joke in the EU servers.

I've asked that question several times. The answer is not many who are writing here.

O and good point on the extra stats. Hadn't thought of that.
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