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The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« on: June 15, 2011, 07:23:53 pm »
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Hello,
as you know there is still the question: is this game balanced on duel ?

Well, we can not decide balance by our opinions, we need numbers. And here is the Matrix. After ours of work its done.
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For explaination: This is an evaluation matrix. You put in weapon´s settings. The numbers 0-4 weight the properties in comparsion. This does mean one of both is more important/mighty than the other. 0 means the line is max. 2 both is equal. 4 the column is max. As you see i did not implement horse stoping because a InfVSCav is not regular and insignificant.
If anyone wants to work on it or have suggestions i will upload the excel file with pleasure!
PS: special thanks to Nubert ;)
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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 07:28:22 pm »
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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 07:31:51 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2011, 07:37:11 pm »
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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2011, 08:08:58 pm »
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I think Fasaderp, leader of the itemunbalancingbalancing crew already uses seets like that to balance the items afaik.

Btw, danish greatsword spd rtg 94? elegant poleaxe spd rtg 93? Do we play the same game? o.o
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[21:11] <chadz>   i intend to give the 0 army guys a man for free though
[21:12] <chadz>   there will be fun "WTF? I LOST TO ONE GUY BECAUSE NO ONE OF MY TEAM SHOWED UP" threads
[21:12] <chadz>   which will result in me laughing
[21:12] <chadz>   and a happy chadz is a coding chadz

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 08:11:58 pm »
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I think Fasaderp, leader of the itemunbalancingbalancing crew already uses seets like that to balance the items afaik.

Btw, danish greatsword spd rtg 94? elegant poleaxe spd rtg 93? Do we play the same game? o.o
Masterwork;)
one of my assuptions was that evryone is going for masterwork weapon.
Btw how can i contact them, id like to participate :D

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 08:13:38 pm »
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Btw how can i contact them, id like to participate :D
That would be the end of crpg.

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 08:23:35 pm »
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I remember you Lancicor, this is ForlornSoldier,

You were horrendous at this game
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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 08:26:46 pm »
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Masterwork;)
one of my assuptions was that evryone is going for masterwork weapon.
Btw how can i contact them, id like to participate :D

In this case the dmg of DGS is wrong :p
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[21:11] <chadz>   i intend to give the 0 army guys a man for free though
[21:12] <chadz>   there will be fun "WTF? I LOST TO ONE GUY BECAUSE NO ONE OF MY TEAM SHOWED UP" threads
[21:12] <chadz>   which will result in me laughing
[21:12] <chadz>   and a happy chadz is a coding chadz

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 08:32:22 pm »
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In this case the dmg of DGS is wrong :p
As i said, i made a few suppositions. I would appretiate you tell me the correct stats but im afraid it wont change much:D
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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 08:39:15 pm »
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As i said, i made a few suppositions. I would appretiate you tell me the correct stats but im afraid it wont change much:D

MW Danish Great Sword: 26 pierce Thrust, 43 cut swing, 94 spd rtg
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[21:11] <chadz>   i intend to give the 0 army guys a man for free though
[21:12] <chadz>   there will be fun "WTF? I LOST TO ONE GUY BECAUSE NO ONE OF MY TEAM SHOWED UP" threads
[21:12] <chadz>   which will result in me laughing
[21:12] <chadz>   and a happy chadz is a coding chadz

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 08:49:29 pm »
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MW Danish Great Sword: 26 pierce Thrust, 43 cut swing, 94 spd rtg
Thx, but to make my self clear. Im not just yelling and crying about things that are unbalanced in my opinion. I try to understand and work on it. Fasader has a unpleasant work to do. He cant satisfy evryone. But maybe he welcomes new working mates ;)

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 08:58:33 pm »
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Well, Fasader is usually hanging around on irc #mount&blade-crpg - try your luck :)

Unbalancing crew members are: Shik, Urist, Fasader - Fasader leading it

I asked Fasader as well about that, but it seems they dont want any new ppl in their group or any help with it.
He also said chadz would have to decide this but well, even more luck trying to contact chadz about this :P ...

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[21:11] <chadz>   i intend to give the 0 army guys a man for free though
[21:12] <chadz>   there will be fun "WTF? I LOST TO ONE GUY BECAUSE NO ONE OF MY TEAM SHOWED UP" threads
[21:12] <chadz>   which will result in me laughing
[21:12] <chadz>   and a happy chadz is a coding chadz

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 09:02:35 pm »
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Very kind of you. 3 mates is much and im not online all day long to work off big to do lists, but ill try ;D

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Re: The matrix says...how to know whether duel is balanced!
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 09:23:33 pm »
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Why did you only apply the animation reach bonus to the danish overhead and stab and not to all the other animations? And you didn't even use the right bonus for them either.

Also are those the stats of a masterwork elegant poleaxe? They seem rather low for a masterwork item.

Animation reach bonusses:
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