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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2019, 06:46:25 pm »
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2019, 07:49:39 pm »
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If the the Night King is not a destructive for of evil after all, and he just wants to be with his woman, then why lock her away in the first place.
But if he is just a force of evil and they beat him how is anything afterwords going to make sense and not be lackluster and dull? If they can beat a force of evil what threat will Cersai actually pose in the following 3 episodes thats greater than the others? And it seems pretty stupid that all the NK is after is Bran just because he has the worlds history in his memories. It takes GRRM 9-10 years to write a book seems like a pretty lame arc if thats all he is a one dimensional bad guy especially when it takes him so long to finish a book and the human bad guys are not one dimensional.

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2019, 09:25:34 am »
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haha well that was pretty much shit! my favorite thing about night battles is that they really capture the essence of you not seeing anything

also are the directors retarded? everytime they end a scene we see theon/dany/whomever getting overrun 10:1 and next time we see time they're fighting someone 1 on 1.

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2019, 12:55:27 pm »
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Yeah they definitely made it seem at first as if the majority of the characters fighting in the field outside winterfell were gonna be dead. Quite a few cut away shots that seemed impossible to survive. The night time + blizzard combination also made for a bit of a clusterfuck in terms of telling what was happening.

That  being said I was pretty damn entertained and was on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would survive. 8/10 for me.

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2019, 01:28:50 pm »
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An absolutely awful Game of Thrones episode, but if you ignore what the show has been in the past and could have been with good directors/writers, it was pretty good.

However, that ending was fucking stupid. One of the most anti-climatic endings ever, with Arya magically teleporting past hundreds of undead after failing to sneak past a few in a library. Not to mention how anti-climatic of an ending that was for the Night King arc. This is the ultimate threat for like 5 seasons, the Mega Bad Guy, unstoppable, etc., etc. And what happens? He just instantly dies, as does his entire army, with no explanation for his motives, no spoken dialogue, no telepathic conversation with Bran, absolutely nothing. Big threat, then just gone from one dagger stab. Plot over. Completely rushed and unsatisfying, pretty much exactly what I expected from them leaving this many plots unresolved so late into the last season. Up until the final moment, I was actually kind of interested to see what would happen in the next episodes, what with the Good Guys being defeated so thoroughly, but nah. The Night King held the Idiot Ball (I was expecting Bran to stab him because he decided to slowly walk right in front of him, but instead he decided to rape choke Arya to earn his death) and that was that.

Then we have the absolutely ridiculous plot armor of all the main characters. About fifteen people survive, all the main characters, and we only lose a couple mostly meaningless side characters as well. I was hoping to see at least one or two random, shit-luck deaths in the battle outside the castle, you know, show that battle is chaotic and not all that much fun, but nope, the show is a clichéd traditional fantasy show now.

Other dumb things include:

- What the actual fuck was that use of cavalry? They literally couldn't have utilized the cavalry worse. Let's just put all of it in front of our infantry, then blindly charge them into the night, so that even in the best case scenario our cavalry and infantry fight an entirely separate battle, and the cavalry never gets to do what it does best, charge at flanks.
- The battle formation, what was going on with all these undisturbed, organized, untouched Unsullied formations while everyone else was panicking and running away? Did they just have the Unsullied sit back and relax while having some random peasants fight in the front lines?
- That little Mormont girl killing the giant was so stupid and cliche it was cringy. I think everyone knew exactly what would happen when the giant, for reasons best known to itself, decided to lift her right next to his eye so that her 5 inch arm and 1 inch knife could reach his eye and instantly kill him.
- Arya acting like a scared little girl in the library suddenly, that was just weirdly out of character. She'd just got done killing dozens of the undead effortlessly, then she's acting like it's a horror movie and she's a defenseless little girl.
- The entire battle plan made absolutely no sense. They knew the Night King can raise the undead, yet their plan did nothing to take that into account. They didn't try to burn the dead, they were happy to (and planning to...) abandon their positions in the open and retreat, thus giving the Night King even more soldiers... and they seemingly didn't account for that at all. Why didn't they build fortifications outside the castle if they couldn't all fit inside? They had plenty of wood from the nearby forest. Yet they just chose to stand there, then run away. Why didn't they build a ton of fires everywhere? Bonfires every 5 meters with torches next to them, ready to be used both as weapons and to burn the dead? SOMETHING like that?
- They were putting all their eggs in the "kill the Night King" basket, yet had no actual plan to do so. Their assassin task force consisted of Daenerys and Jon. Why, when it was so important? Imagine if you had, say, thousands of the finest cavalry in the known world. You could form a dozen hundred-strong groups that were ready to react wherever the Night King turned up, and try to kill him. At a minimum. Oh, but they had a redundancy, you say. They had Theon Greyjoy and a couple seamen protecting Bran, and they knew the Night King wanted him. Brilliant. The greatest warrior in all the lands, Theon Greyjoy! In a place that, if the Night King reached it, would mean the castle would be overrun anyway and Theon would have no chance of doing shit. Not that he could beat the Night King in a 1v1 anyway.
- Arya, their elite assassin, had NO ROLE WHATSOEVER, she was just chilling on the battlements. They needed an epic scene with Melisandre to make her realize that, hey, maybe it'd be a great idea for her to go to Bran to try to kill the Night King.

In other words, all the planning in the episode was the kind of shit that no actual semi-intelligent human would come up with and think "yeah, this is good." Because the show right now is mainstream and the writers cant write intelligent characters that seem like they have an actual inner life instead of just being cheap 2D cardboard cut-outs that the writers use to move from one cliche to another.

- How did Jorah Mormont teleport outside the castle to save Daenerys? The walls were lost, there were a dozen defenders left alive, fighting for their life against thousands of undead. How did Jorah get outside? How did Jorah know Daenerys was in trouble? Where did Jorah learn teleportation? Did Varys teach it to him?
- I want to underline again how stupid and against everything GoT used to be it is for all the main characters to survive 50 hopeless situations like that when literally everyone dies. That was, dare I say it, some superhero movie shit.
- Obviously the only reason things lasted as long as they did, and it looked even remotely plausible for the main characters to survive, is because of the plot armor and the undead tsunami thinning into retarded 3-4 undead at a time whenever there was a main character nearby. They were constantly in situations where they were surrounded by practically infinite undead, yet they inexplicably always end up only fighting a few, even if everyone else is dead. The length of the battle made no sense.
- Awful choreography/cinematography. Nonstop cuts and fog and snow and darkness.
- Siege engines in front of the infantry.... ?

Other than though the episode was visually pleasing and a fun watch.

4.5/5 stars.  :)
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #95 on: April 29, 2019, 01:32:02 pm »
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Yeah they definitely made it seem at first as if the majority of the characters fighting in the field outside winterfell were gonna be dead. Quite a few cut away shots that seemed impossible to survive. The night time + blizzard combination also made for a bit of a clusterfuck in terms of telling what was happening.

That  being said I was pretty damn entertained and was on the edge of my seat waiting to see who would survive. 8/10 for me.

They overran the crypt, ran around in the main castle and some library, in the courtyard etc, 15 minutes later they're still fighting Jaime outside the walls? Doesnt make any sense. It literally seemed like everyone had died yet no one really did, and by the "next episode" bit we can see there's still a bunch of unsullied and other soldiers around. The only part I genuinely liked was the 5 minute montage in the end of everyone getting fucked and when it felt like Night king was gonna do some cool shit but then arya ninja'd him and now everythings great and solved

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2019, 01:39:57 pm »
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Doesnt make any sense. It literally seemed like everyone had died yet no one really did, and by the "next episode" bit we can see there's still a bunch of unsullied and other soldiers around.
Didn't look at that, they're doing this retarded Battle of the Bastards crap again? Just like in BoB, where it was obvious from what happened and what was shown that at least 99% of Jon's men died, yet in the next episodes he still has an army, inexplicably. I guess just like in BoB, Dany's surviving army at Winterfell had better things to do than fight the end-of-the-world undead army. Maybe they were sleeping off their hang over, or whoring in the next town over.

Another potentially interesting thing ruined then it seems, would've been interesting to see how Daenerys & co handle Cersei now that they have no army whatsoever.  Well, "interesting", because the writers would make it fucking gay no doubt, but still, more interesting.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2019, 01:46:30 pm »
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Also didn't expect it to be so generic. Night King stabbed. No lore, If there is any lore, it doesn't matter because he is already dead.

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I was so disappointed. I mean, I guess they forgot about all the symbols and the origins and the azor ahai prophecy and the bran connection and went with “ninja girl stab evil blue man”


Surprised that even the subreddit seems pretty full of people disappointed with this shit, usually it's just fanboys squeeing over the "bad ass moments."

Although reading more, it seems like a TON of people were disappointed with the episode, comments about how bad it was have thousands of upvotes. Of course, lots of people are also saying it's the best TV they've ever seen, and GoT just became legendary and the best thing since sliced bread, etc.

r/ASOIAF is also, unsurprisingly, far more critical of the show than the main subreddit filled with WOAH DRAGUN FIRE normies, some good threads raising some good points:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bihii3/spoilers_extended_reactions_game_of_thrones/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bij9w0/spoilers_extended_dd_made_the_character_choice/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bikgf2/spoilers_extended_plots_that_are_now_resolved_or/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bimvml/spoilers_extended_tonights_episode_was_the_most/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/binrgf/spoilers_extended_cheap_hollow_and_a_bit_easy/
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2019, 02:01:02 pm »
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Pretty much all of this. The entire episode had no set up for anything, just fight happens, and concludes about as abruptly. No clever plot of "oh we have to sneak and take out the leaders while the army fights, its our only bet" making use of the main characters. Really no hope at all, its just us waiting for whatever plot device the writers decide to put in at the end to finish up the mess. No Frodo and Sam slowly making their way to destroy the ring, while the others fight an seemingly indestructible enemy. Bran or whatever the autistic boy in the wheelchair doesnt do shit, he was the only thing that couldve been some kind of set up, even though we had no fucking idea what he was doing when he did the thing. But no, he just sits there, and then Arya does the thing. We get not hints as to whats going to happen, it just happens.

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #99 on: April 29, 2019, 02:10:41 pm »
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Yeah the comparison to LOTR is pretty good. LOTR did it properly, GoT just.... well, none of it made any sense, it was completely random and abrupt with no planning from the characters behind it. There was no emotional pay off, no connection, no suspense. Just Arya randomly teleporting past hundreds of undead and white walkers and insta-killing the Night King.

And btw D&D decided to make Arya the one to kill the NK 3 years ago, because they figured it'd be cool and "unexpected". Azor Ahai and the prophecies don't matter apparently LOL. It's a perfect example of how they've raped the lore and the setting just for "coolness" factor. Like one guy on the subreddit says, "Terrible Strategy but cool shot is the definition of D&D's writing."

Also quote from them:

"We had Lyanna kill a giant because, even though at the beginning of this we didn't plan her to go anywhere until we felt she should, for the good of the show, she's now one of the strongest little characters so it'd be nice to have her kill one of the strongest big characters."

Literally the worst possible writers for a show like GoT.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #100 on: April 29, 2019, 02:55:52 pm »
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #101 on: April 29, 2019, 03:01:28 pm »
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Also: Bran's character and story arc has been completely meaningless. He's done nothing at all. Everything about him and his abilities was pointless.

Just like 99% of the show's plots that D&D took from GRRM. Just a few more of those:

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Why did the white walkers particularly decide to come south now after 8000 years?

Who built the wall, and why was it seen as necessary to exile the others and separate them, rather than say, destroy them? What happened back in the long night to make that the solution they came up with?

"There must always be a stark in Winterfell." Must there?

Did we expect any resolution on the horn of joramun?

Why was craster sacrificing kids to the Others, and what was the nature of that arrangement? Why did they need / want his babies to turn into walkers, and why did they seem to do so so sparingly?

Benjen was some kind of half undead creature, clearly blending him together with coldhands. What's the explanation for what he was?!
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2019, 05:21:13 pm »
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Annnnnnnnd here's the current Game of Thrones target audience: https://youtu.be/n5wm3fY5pCY?t=60

Suppose you don't need good writing when you can get retards excited with your constant last minute teleportation cliches.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #103 on: April 29, 2019, 05:42:18 pm »
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Annnnnnnnd here's the current Game of Thrones target audience: https://youtu.be/n5wm3fY5pCY?t=60

Suppose you don't need good writing when you can get retards excited with your constant last minute teleportation cliches.

this is peak western culture when you think about it

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 8 - 4/14/2019
« Reply #104 on: April 29, 2019, 06:05:02 pm »
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this is peak western culture when you think about it

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I literally can't imagine the state of mind required to scream and fist pump and shout and cry at the TV screen like that over a show. It looks like it's the best moment of their lives for those people (and if recycling cliches is enough to get your audience to react like that, then recycling cliches is the thing to do for the showrunners, which is why I think it's so awful.) How is it possible to get that excited over something like GoT? And I see so many people in the comment section, and on reddit, talking about how much they screamed, etc. It's just so bizarre to me.

On the other hand, good for them, I guess. I too would like it if I was able to get an excitement orgasm over putting on my microwave or opening the fridge, or watching some telly.

Doesn't make seeing it any less embarrassing, though.
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