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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2018, 08:29:34 am »
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fuck off. what a bunch of whiny retards. your post makes zero sense. it's like you're trying to say two different things. first, you whine about how hypocritical it is that ppl get muted for dropping n bombs but not for making fun or narmin's race or religion. if you're trying to say that the ppl making fun of your boyfriend should be muted, then i guess you have a point because it's against the server rules.
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however, this is clearly not the case because you then say that everybody should be free to say whatever they want without getting muted. it's obvious that you're just assblasted about getting muted for dropping n bombs. i can say with confidence that i alone have dropped more n bombs than you and your boyfriends combined. everybody fucking hates you. is it really that surprising that no one is willing to come to your defense?
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2018, 09:10:34 am »
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it's hard to understand what the argument is here other than that admins should stop muting people at all. Give some examples of specific admins muting specific players over specific instances and we can better judge things on a case by base basis. Even if a muting is retroactively judged as unjust, so what?

If you act like trash in chat, you should expect to be treated as such.

opinion from my experience as the head admin of the native battle server, from running many 200 man events for years in NW, and my observations watching other admins.

The most trouble I ever see from trolls and edge lords is when admins rule with an iron fist. The more an admin flexes their power the more a subset of players will be taking up arms against them. In the end you might end up muting or banning half a dozen or more players.

Practically speaking: I would let 1 player slur occasionally, rather than mute/ban them immediately and then subsequently have to do the same to another half dozen players taking up arms out of spite. Almost every time I see rampant flaming/racism/whatever on GK TDM, it is because an admin was too quick with the punishments. 

In my admin experience, letting players express themselves how they wish is the best way to keep things under control. The occasional slur will be thrown out, and luckily we are all grown adults so we can handle that, and personally judge the character of the offender as we see fit. Admins are not needed until it is truly obnoxious and out of control, which I find rarely happens if you let players do what they want.

Maybe you cRPG admins are so vindictive that you feel you MUST immediately punish bad behavior. That's your prerogative. You'll end up punishing a lot more players that way, not all of whom are bad people.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2018, 09:30:23 am »
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what do you mean when you say "YOU cRPG admins" we are all not warband players here huh? maybe you should go back to the east where u belong and leave the proud west to the cRPG race??
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2018, 09:44:17 am »
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Maybe you cRPG admins are so vindictive that you feel you MUST immediately punish bad behavior. That's your prerogative. You'll end up punishing a lot more players that way, not all of whom are bad people.

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I do appreciate you sharing your stance on the matter, but your post has the same problem as nikkle's, a lack of concrete examples. You say "you cRPG admins" without saying which admins are doing what. The reason this is an issue is because I virtually never mute for chat abuse unless i'm essentially forced to by complaints in admin chat. I haven't muted anyone in the last week or two and from what I have seen, the pejorative chat SPAM has been even worse than it has been in the past.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2018, 10:17:40 am »
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ITS OK TO BE RACIST, UNLESS YOURE WHITE.
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2018, 11:19:00 am »
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Well Assington once got banned by James for making fun of muslims so it has happened before. I didn't even know Narmin still played tho tbh.



Also, kids these days weren't even around during the great ban exodus of desire a strat or two ago. This actually IS lightening of the ruleset compared to the past.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2018, 11:45:47 am »
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Well Assington once got banned by James for making fun of muslims so it has happened before. I didn't even know Narmin still played tho tbh.



Also, kids these days weren't even around during the great ban exodus of desire a strat or two ago. This actually IS lightening of the ruleset compared to the past.


actually that was sugar

you also once banned me after sugar TK'd you
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2018, 12:55:03 pm »
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Sugar Assington, basically the same person.

See Papi Cochese incident / the meme banishment to exile island.

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Good times.

As for people being cancerous to Narmin if it crosses the line then that is also bannable.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2018, 01:17:40 pm »
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saying the N word gets you muted/kicked, probably because its not inclusive blah blah blah, yet making fun of narmins ethnicity, religion, race etc etc is fine? I get how narmins toxic but if some black guy came on and was toxic too, I'd imagine calling him the N word would still result in a mute or kick. all this shows is how the admins don't really give a shit. When people say the N word its generally without context and just fucking around yet when people make fun of narmins religion, ethnicity, country etc etc Its targeted and specificly made to offend him.

For the record I don't really care, neither does narmin, I think you should be allowed to say whatever you want, its just stupid how the admins blatantly turn a blind eye and sometimes join in on the remarks. If you really care about censorship and making crpg more inclusive, you should censor it all.

Lastly for anyone that wants to chime in, id urge/ask you try to look at this in the bigger picture. As I said above, if someone black came on and was constantly trash talking etc etc would it be ok to call him the N word? I'd imagine the answer would be no (at least according to the admins who enforce this rule).

Yeah the enforcement on this is highly retarded. friends shouldn't get special treatment & protection. It's easy to tilt morons with the "N" word which is part of why it's so hilarious, but the idea that I can get away with saying something FAR more offensive simply because it's not a "racial slur" is also hilarious. The same admins that will mute you within a second of saying any racial slur will just outright ignore someone saying they're going to kill your family and then peel off your skin and pour salt on it (not an exagerration, btw). Don't expect any change, the admins who actually call the shots in this mod are just NPCs.
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2018, 01:24:00 pm »
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actually that was sugar

you also once banned me after sugar TK'd you

I keep telling you, Sugar isnt real man. Take the medicine, its there to help
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2018, 01:38:40 pm »
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the admins who actually call the shots in this mod are just NPCs.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2018, 02:21:35 pm »
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I keep telling you, Sugar isnt real man. Take the medicine, its there to help

you say that but sugar deserves elevation to holy prophet status. he literally died on the internet so the rest of us could be reborn. with his sacrifice, i, and many others, found revelation and are becoming new people

if you ever besmirch sugar like that again tristan.... well

ill pray for you /...
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2018, 05:20:15 pm »
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let me just i say i don't really care, but i'm going to whine about it in game as well as make an entire thread on the forum about it
What Im trying to say is that I care about the admins being consistent in their rules. So I'm pointing it out. I don't care about people making fun of narmin or saying the N word. Whatever the rule is, the admins should be consistent in enforcing it.

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Re: hypocritical ruleset
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2018, 05:26:44 pm »
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fuck off. what a bunch of whiny retards. your post makes zero sense. it's like you're trying to say two different things. first, you whine about how hypocritical it is that ppl get muted for dropping n bombs but not for making fun or narmin's race or religion. if you're trying to say that the ppl making fun of your boyfriend should be muted, then i guess you have a point because it's against the server rules.
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however, this is clearly not the case because you then say that everybody should be free to say whatever they want without getting muted. it's obvious that you're just assblasted about getting muted for dropping n bombs. i can say with confidence that i alone have dropped more n bombs than you and your boyfriends combined. everybody fucking hates you. is it really that surprising that no one is willing to come to your defense?
lmao chill. Im saying that the admins are inconsistent in enforcing there rules. When I said that everyone should be free to say whatever they want that was me saying my opinion. My opinion on what should be done is not happening so I think the admins should be consistent in there rules, and not turn a blind eye to other, equally as bad, racist remarks.