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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2016, 05:52:17 pm »
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Well, if nothing else this will be the first big test of the system of checks and balances, the US Government being created with people like Trump in mind. As long as the judicial and legislative branches of government are not full of Trumps also. A warm reminder of the reason decent Presidents are frequently foiled by the other branches and unable to achieve anything.

Good lessons may be learned from this - I voted for a non-PC, no-nonsense President that spoke his mind and wasnt afraid of causing offense. And he did nothing.

But equally if Trump is elected, even if things remain very much as they are, bad lessons could be learned - Trump was as opposite to Obama as possible but nothing really changed between the two being President. Therefore it doesnt matter who or what i vote for.

In both scenario humanity wins, because we learned something.

If Trump is trumped by the branches of the government (as you implied), and force a status quo where Trump would have turned the table, then the lesson will be that we need reform + willing president.
Its incredibly rare to have "a Trump" appear, would be sad to waste him on legislative bs.


For majority of the world sure. But the problem is that Trump also wants to pull out all military support from Europe. That might be considered good for the pacifist types, the anti-western conspiracy theorists and people who arent aware of the situation in Eastern-EU, but my country is fucked. 4 years of basically no US means that the russians can freely now ravage here without any real consequences.

Not gonna surprise you here I think Tibes, but...
I equally believe the western conspiracy AND the Russia warmongering theory.
If I'm wrong you will suffer the most, true, so I can say "lets try and see" without batting an eye. But really its my belief that without the anti-russian arsenal at Russia's borders, nothing will change, it could even become better for everyone, you included, if we do not keep that open hostility up.
Do you believe that if Russia annex more than Crimea in the next century they will go away with it? I think we have enough nukes that can reach Moscow...
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2016, 06:02:42 pm »
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The year Trump gets democratically elected into power is the year the western world realises their democracy is shit.

Dont consider him racist, but 100% unelectable by an engaged and intelligent voter-base. What concerns me is from the americans i know and people outside of the states, there's been an unhealthy attitude of 'Vote Trump cos it's funny, it's not like there's any chance he'll win anyway...' and it's only now that people have started to consider 'Shit, what if he really does win'.

When your appeal is 'This guy sure is funny' something is wrong with your democracy. Is this attitude brought about because your last President has been intelligent and relatively aware of the world around him, and that didnt magically change your life so maybe voting for the opposite will fix things?

You can disagree with someone's political outlook, they may have all the information to hand but they want to take things in a different direction. But when a politician is so willing to talk in vague terms in ignorance, that should be concerning. Democracy shouldnt be based on a reality-tv-esque desire to see 'what would it be like if you made a retard president'.

I am absolutely happy for the US to get the president they deserve if they vote for Trump and he receives a majority of the electoral college votes. It will hopefully prompt a more detailed analysis of what went wrong and how they can fix it. But i hope Trump doesnt live to get to that stage, since him being president would effect more than just the country that voted for him.

Trump has a lot of voters that don't vote for him based on 'what would it be like if you made a retard president', or because they are ignorant or don't understand he speaks in vague terms etc.
He gets a lot of votes, not only from the working classes but from Natural Conservatives and other members of the Alt-Right (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/), the US variant of the New Right and Nouvelle Droite schools of political thought in Europe, for addressing a number of very distinct concerns of this part of the electorate.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2016, 06:09:25 pm »
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And a lot of votes because the alternative is Hillary.
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2016, 06:52:23 pm »
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In both scenario humanity wins, because we learned something.

By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2016, 07:39:36 pm »
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By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2016, 08:02:20 pm »
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Not gonna surprise you here I think Tibes, but...
I equally believe the western conspiracy AND the Russia warmongering theory.
If I'm wrong you will suffer the most, true, so I can say "lets try and see" without batting an eye. But really its my belief that without the anti-russian arsenal at Russia's borders, nothing will change, it could even become better for everyone, you included, if we do not keep that open hostility up.
Do you believe that if Russia annex more than Crimea in the next century they will go away with it? I think we have enough nukes that can reach Moscow...

It would be better for everyone. Me excluded. If you look at Crimea and other places Russia has puppeted in the last 20 years, you will discover how the pro-russian local governments will actively repress the local culture and language in favour of russian. And its quite heavy oppression. And the problem with having russian culture and language as a majority on nonrussian soil is that Kremlin will showcase this to the world and say "look, they all russians, it federation land". And we dont want that, we want to be independent.

I think Russia thinks its legimate claim should be Baltics and Ukraine. After it gets those parts it doesnt really care about the rest. If it gets those it will legimately calm down and you will most likely have peace in Europe. But I went beside the threads point with this anyway. I quess time will tell.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2016, 08:10:25 pm »
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Yes please assassinate him before he gas all mexicans einstein-style as per his program (?)
God, Trump haters make me cringe  :lol:  democracy means you cant win everytime guys

Assassinating Trump is anti-thesis to being a true red-white-and-blue american.
Anyone that would pull it off and would survive to claim otherwise would simply be categorised as anti-american (at least by Trump supporters, and probably lots of people that have problems with killing others for ideological reasons), making Trump a "redneck martyr" in all cases.

Even though I'm not US resident I really enjoy watching how Trump devastate the classic politicians back there, because I can totally relate to if it happened in my country. I think most western nations are being ruled by people simply driven by power and not by helping their own country.
As Rhekimos and lots of others, I also doubt that Trump program is doable, he will most probably not do as he claims on all topic. But he seems like he want to really try and thats a win in my book.
The United States of America is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, protecting the individual rights of every man (which is why "governments are instituted among men"). The Founding Fathers drafted our Constitution because the Articles of Confederation which had been used up to that point were "too democratic" and basically shit. Democracy = tyranny under a majority. Which is why slave-holding States were so hopped up on it, they figured that if a majority supported it, it was even possible to subjugate an entire minority under them by law. "Progressive" politicians (the Roosevelts are basically Satan) have been fucking American Exceptionalism up from day one.

If he doesn't start World War 3, his trade policies will at the very least bankrupt my State and severely impact the lives of 4/5 of the people I know, mine being the most foreign trade-dependent State in the Union (i.e. good at what we do unlike Rust Belt).

The man promotes violence at his rallies (by the way, not sure how anyone can call him a good orator, have you heard him speak? "I have good words, the best words," he's an imbecile), and promotes George Wallace-level us-against-them style politics. We need immigrants to fund the welfare State he is unwilling to cut. Immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, commit significantly less crime per capita than do natives (wow shocking right? Don't want to get caught doing something because ICE will put their ass back where they came from, who would have thought?). As a white person, ain't no white people about to pick berries, let me tell you, immigrant labor is vital for agrarian economies.

Everything the guy says is wrong, and he'll destabilize America and the world (that sweet isolationism worked out great before, yeah). He would use his position as President to "settle scores" and probably help out his mob buddies and business interests, all while making America into the shitty backwater that left-wing populism has made most South American countries that aren't Chile.

His campaign has been one big temper tantrum, he's unfit to be President, he'll fuck up everything, and I wouldn't mind at all if he weren't a factor anymore.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2016, 12:26:23 am »
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By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".

People asking for a change because they are mildly annoyed by some things don't think about possible consequence of their actions. Germans certainly didn't when they elected good old albert and his merry band of losers. We learned that people will start eating each other if you cut their food supply for many years like they did in Leningrad. Those people are certainly grateful for those scientific findings, just like those logs at Japanase human experimentation camps. All for science!

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2016, 02:05:13 am »
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Now thats a tantrum.


By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".

Ironically we did, and now everytime a potential leader arises he is "literaly einstein" and must be assassinated before he kills a gazillon of people.
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2016, 05:02:55 am »
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Now thats a tantrum.
Why, because you don't understand American civics?
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2016, 02:21:28 pm »
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Why, because you don't understand American civics?

No, because your post was tantrum-esque.
Didnt say your post was wrong, but it left no room for discussion; my impression.


That post alone has convinced me you're simply being contrary.

Well, it was just me trying to be as retarded as Falka analogy on people voting for candidates that might fail hard is equal to purposedfully electing a genocidal maniac.


If I wanted to develop more I could have but my desire to sleep overcame me  :mrgreen:
I'm pretty sure Falka isnt that stupid and me neither.

What I intended to express is that, without a time machine, there will always be danger in electing people at the top.
I understand Trump seems like a potential lunatic, but its just my opinion that he will not turn out to be one.
If he turn out to be one and do everything Westwood says he will, my bad. I dont have the right to vote in the US anyway  :P

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2016, 03:28:54 pm »
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They are part of the electorate too, you know.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2016, 06:00:04 pm »
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Ironically we did, and now everytime a potential leader arises he is "literaly einstein" and must be assassinated before he kills a gazillon of people.
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