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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1110 on: July 06, 2016, 09:56:36 pm »
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9% gold, really?

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1111 on: July 07, 2016, 12:19:33 am »
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Yeah. I looked that up too. Cars.....cars.....Im pretty sure nobody else in Europe exports or makes cars.  Oh how we will ever survive. :lol:

UK predominantly makes luxury cars. Aston Martin, Jaguar, Rolls Royce etc. However, those brands and companies are owned by Germans, Indians and Chinese.

Making super cars is kewl but can't keep economy afloat. Most super brands like Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini are owned by corporations like Audi, Fiat, VW, Toyota. You know, the big boys who sell 80% of cars on this planet.

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1112 on: July 07, 2016, 04:02:00 pm »
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Making super cars is kewl but can't keep economy afloat.

You know what could keep someone's economy afloat?

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1113 on: July 07, 2016, 04:43:15 pm »
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Bullshit does have economical value.

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1114 on: July 07, 2016, 05:09:23 pm »
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Bullshit does have economical value.

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1115 on: July 07, 2016, 09:50:15 pm »
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UK economy 'heavily dependent' on negotiating new trade deals with EU, says IMF chief Christine Lagarde, urges no-delay Brexit to reduce economic uncertainty.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-imf-pound-sterling-christine-lagarde-warning-economy-what-does-it-mean-a7124961.html


Internal pressure mounts on the next PM apparent, Theresa May, to guarantee the position of EU citizens currently living in the UK, something she has said is to be decided in the trade negotiations.

Labour motion on EU migrants 'right to remain' passes Commons vote
Motion backed by Boris Johnson passed by 245 to two but is non-binding and has no effect on government policy


325 Tory MPs abstained.

But this is also a sign of how little the UK can bring to the negotiation table.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/06/boris-johnson-to-back-labour-motion-on-eu-migrants


Andread Helson, the runner-up PM hopeful, held a speech that mostly sounded great on the surface but offered little of substance.

"My first task is to show how great we are as a nation – let’s banish the pessimists."

She also needled Theresa May: "I will not use people’s lives as a bargaining chip in some negotiation… people need certainty and they will get it. I say to all that are legally here that you will be welcome to stay."
 
Following her speech and the march, Penny Mordaunt promised that Mrs Leadsom would set out a "third way" to solve the apparent dilemma over the single market and free movement.

What that could be, is not readily apparent.

Just 48 hours before her speech Donald Tusk, the European Council President, reiterated that Britain must accept the EU’s four freedoms and cannot have access to the single market “à la carte”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html


Britain’s GDP growth unexpectedly picked up in the second quarter of 2016 in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, according to the latest regular forecast from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR).

This upturn comes despite widespread expectations that GDP growth was already slowing going into the referendum and is likely to be seized upon by pro-Brexit politicians as an indication that the economy is not suffering as much as many downbeat analysts claim.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gdp-growth-forecast-to-pick-up-despite-brexit-vote-a7125046.html


UK job vacancy adverts fall by 700,000 in the week after Brexit, data shows
Businesses are freezing hiring and investment plans because of uncertainty over the EU referendum


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-job-vacancies-fall-700000-in-the-week-after-brexit-data-shows-a7124686.html


Brexit could spark City exodus as 80,000 jobs are moved to Europe, BCG says
Around 20% of banking and financial jobs may be moved to another European centre like Frankfurt


France has also promised to welcome bankers and banking operations if companies lose passporting, or the ability to do business with the whole of the EU, after Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-could-spark-city-exodus-as-80000-jobs-are-moved-to-europe-bcg-says-a7124351.html


Four of the biggest US banks have committed to helping maintain London's position as a global financial hub after the UK leaves the European Union.

Since the referendum vote there have been concerns that banks would reduce their staff and offices in the country.
In a statement the banks and Chancellor George Osborne said they would work to ensure London "retains its position".
However, they did not say whether this meant that they would keep the same number of jobs and offices in the UK.

Ahead of the UK's referendum on the EU, Jamie Dimon, chief executive of JP Morgan, said the bank could move 4,000 jobs out of the UK if the country voted to leave the EU.


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36739018


UK politics likely to see considerable change post-Brexit:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/07/who-will-speak-48?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36723220



NON-BREXIT but very UK related:

Porn sites will require age verification checks in the UK by 2017
Government also proposes 10-year jail terms for copyright infringement


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2463975/porn-sites-will-require-age-verification-checks-in-the-uk-by-2017

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1116 on: July 07, 2016, 10:30:24 pm »
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The EU is literally worse than Communism. At least the Soviets didn't pretend it was a democracy  :lol:.

No, they just pretended they were all for the people and that everyone was equal when in fact it was the exact opposite of that.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1117 on: July 07, 2016, 10:58:28 pm »
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Porn sites will require age verification checks in the UK by 2017

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1118 on: July 08, 2016, 01:04:49 pm »
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There's only a few things I really care about in life. My body. My pad. My ride. My family. My church. My boys. My girls. My porn. DON'T TOUCH MY PORN!

Thats quite a lot of things, you need to focus boy!



Pfff,

I smell Cameron and his scare campaign. Don't these 'experts' know their opinions aren't welcome here?

Some things arent that bad, if you read careful!
Most of the bad things is greedy bankers pulling off and shitting on the carpet before leaving to Brussels, but one can even see a good thing in that, even though pragmatism comes before patriotism so its not that good either.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1119 on: July 09, 2016, 04:27:49 pm »
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The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum”.

Government responded:

    The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

    The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

    As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say. The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.

    Foreign and Commonwealth Office

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1120 on: July 09, 2016, 04:29:46 pm »
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1121 on: July 09, 2016, 04:31:21 pm »
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Stop stalking me  :P


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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1123 on: July 10, 2016, 07:15:26 pm »
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Hardly the EU's fault that southern Europe has been run to shits. They have notoriously corrupt politicians. The writer should know since he's based in Italy they had Berlusconi for x amount of years, as well as ridiculous political system. No one in Europe reads less newspapers than the Italians. They have given up.

It's however true the EU is extremely unsexy, with it's distant, boring and slow bureaucrats, having nearly no real power at all. They are basically negotiators. It's very easy for for politicians to blame whatever on the EU. Still, it does make sense that Europe should have equal standards, that Europeans can move to where there is work. And before an equilibrium arises, there will be movement of people.

I see it as a great freedom, to be able to go anywhere and work anywhere. I do realize it results in increased competition too, but having seen what too much protection leads to I think I prefer the latter. It factually is more efficient for Europe as a whole, and I think that benefits us all in X number of ways. For example, it's better to have a competent German engineer construct this highway cheaper, faster, better, than to have someone local make something that lasts 2 winters. Then perhaps someone local can code some brilliant code for a German company. It's about having the best man for the job.

Now I sound like an extreme capitalist, but I'm also for taxing the rich hard, especially when they die. Money is power and it is best used in competent and accomplished hands, not in inherited hands.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #1124 on: July 10, 2016, 08:43:09 pm »
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Another view.


It's intellectually lazy to compare EU to what he personally hoped for, instead of what would have been achievable with no EU. There's no thought offered to what the real situation would be if things would have been different. So it's eloquent writing used to make a vacuous case.

"The EU had it coming because it didn't do better." It should have boosted our economies that much higher AND those of third world countries too. We shouldn't have closed our eyes to the evils of this empire that didn't raid the resources of weaker countries enough. The piece seeps sickly sweet idealistic nonsense, a believer of which will feel betrayed no matter how reality turns out.

If only not for the EU, there would have been no pressure at all from the mights of China and USA and India. Global economic forces would have disappeared in a puff of wishful thinking.

EU even caused people to choose the wrong sources of entertainment; What clearer signal of failure of the political system is there than how much Harry Potter is read and often the American presidential race is mentioned?