Unban Essay - The difference between fooling around and disrupting/griefing

[Bjord]

I agree with Bjord about how bans are scaled up dramatically fast.

I had only one ban I believe, but I know a fair share of people that had 2 or more, and the speed at which you can meet the "1 month ban" bar or even the "unban essay" bar even if you only do some completely minor shit a couple times is completely FUBAR for such a small and chill community.
Lacking time to properly monitor cases, impossibility to apply selective "fair" judgement... admins look at ban history and "word-of-mouth" and thats pretty much it. It is a reality that cannot be denied; at the same time we cant blame the admins for this.



Except for extremely hardcore stuff I believe permabans/essay bans should be replaced by 1-3 months bans, max.

Yes, so if this is the style of admining that we are going to tolerate then we also need appropriate measures when deciding what is fair if someone is to get banned. Certainly not how it's being handled now.

And rude behaviour, sarcasm and flat out disrespectful attitudes don't belong in your rhetoric when you are an admin. Rico certainly is one of the few admins who I've had the misfortune to deal with, approaching him with reason and being met with hostility. This is completely unacceptable, but admins have a tendency to behave like the police, where they won't criticize their "colleagues" or even consider that someone has been unfairly treated just because it is a fellow admin.

Worrisome indeed.

[Gravoth_iii]

Not sure an essay ban was necessary, he was only dealing with xesta, some would see that as a positive. Then again they are both basically the same, both rages, im pretty sure xesta has been teamhitting on purpose aswell, so its ironic to me that xesta is the one getting bjord banned. But as i mentioned, they are both the same, bjord probably would have done the same in xestas seat had he the opportunity.

A weeks ban or something is probably enough, or 3 days. Such long term solutions are sad to me, i think ragers add a nice flavor to the game.

[Bjord]

Not sure an essay ban was necessary, he was only dealing with xesta, some would see that as a positive. Then again they are both basically the same, both rages, im pretty sure xesta has been teamhitting on purpose aswell, so its ironic to me that xesta is the one getting bjord banned. But as i mentioned, they are both the same, bjord probably would have done the same in xestas seat had he the opportunity.

A weeks ban or something is probably enough, or 3 days. Such long term solutions are sad to me, i think ragers add a nice flavor to the game.

I don't have the energy or interest to ban thread people, it's a waste of time to me. I don't care if people teamhit me, but yeah agreed. I think this was over the top of a decision.

[Yeldur]

I agree with Bjord about how bans are scaled up dramatically fast.

I had only one ban I believe, but I know a fair share of people that had 2 or more, and the speed at which you can meet the "1 month ban" bar or even the "unban essay" bar even if you only do some completely minor shit a couple times is completely FUBAR for such a small and chill community.
Lacking time to properly monitor cases, impossibility to apply selective "fair" judgement... admins look at ban history and "word-of-mouth" and thats pretty much it. It is a reality that cannot be denied; at the same time we cant blame the admins for this.



Except for extremely hardcore stuff I believe permabans/essay bans should be replaced by 1-3 months bans, max.

Calling bullshit on that. Trust me, the bans here are lax as fuck. For an example I'll use Guard_SayAttack, he's been reported by me a total of three - four times (Each being successful and leading to him getting punished)
Now, the first time, he was warned, the second time, he was banned for a small period of time, the third time I think slightly larger but still small (ban) and the fourth (still not sure if it's three or four here to bare with me) he was banned for 10 days.

Had it been me administrating the case on a different server, he would have been permanently banned the third time he did it. That's not harsh what so ever. If you can't learn to not break the fucking rules on the third try what's the point in carrying on keeping you here, you've shown you can't behave and thus you should be gone permanently. (GUARD YOU'RE JUST AN EXAMPLE HERE, I'M NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOU IN GENERAL) (pls no hate me more than u already do :c)

The admins here are nice, don't try and call them harsh at all because they are most certainly not.

[Bjord]

Calling bullshit on that. Trust me, the bans here are lax as fuck. For an example I'll use Guard_SayAttack, he's been reported by me a total of three - four times (Each being successful and leading to him getting punished)
Now, the first time, he was warned, the second time, he was banned for a small period of time, the third time I think slightly larger but still small (ban) and the fourth (still not sure if it's three or four here to bare with me) he was banned for 10 days.

Had it been me administrating the case on a different server, he would have been permanently banned the third time he did it. That's not harsh what so ever. If you can't learn to not break the fucking rules on the third try what's the point in carrying on keeping you here, you've shown you can't behave and thus you should be gone permanently. (GUARD YOU'RE JUST AN EXAMPLE HERE, I'M NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOU IN GENERAL) (pls no hate me more than u already do :c)

The admins here are nice, don't try and call them harsh at all because they are most certainly not.

You must be new here.

[Butan]

If you can't learn to not break the fucking rules on the third try what's the point in carrying on keeping you here, you've shown you can't behave and thus you should be gone permanently.

Thats this stance that is a bit over the top for me    and some admins seem to agree with that.
They have the power, they got to decide, I dont; just throwing my piece here, because I've seen a bunch of dudes getting perma'ed for fuck all.
I would prefer a thriving cRPG community with a bunch of ragers than a smaller one, with silent players swinging around mindlessly.

[Falka]

I would prefer a thriving cRPG community with a bunch of ragers than a smaller one, with silent players swinging around mindlessly.

One could argue that a bunch of ragers is one of the reasons why the community is getting smaller (is it even possible?). Though I am and always was against permabans, I find ragers and retards amusing.

[Leshma]

I wasn't even aware that Bjord was ever banned hahaha.

Been there when Khorin permabanned his ass in what seems like ages ago. This thread is confusing, permabanning already permabanned player. Only in cRPG. Unless he bought a new key like Mr Penos?

[Gravoth_iii]

One could argue that a bunch of ragers is one of the reasons why the community is getting smaller (is it even possible?). Though I am and always was against permabans, I find ragers and retards amusing.

Looking at the biggest gaming communities being nothing but ragers, i would say letting people act as they wish is good for growth, maybe not for general enjoyment though. Fortunately not a lot of crpg are ragers, but the ones that do are funny.

[Leshma]

Bjord is a bit more than that. Everybody knows that very well.

[Xesta]

First off: nice "Essay" you've got going there m8 I R8 8.
TBH I didn't even know that Amox_Cancer was actually Bjord but after all it didn't matter for me in that situation. All I saw was some merc Player going on my nuts and not only mine, read the ban thread you also th autobus and other people, so yeah ofcourse I would willingly report you for that if the badmin isn't banning you for 2hr or something. Actually you can give all your blame towards blackbow and not me, because if he just kicked you from the Server for 2hr or something I wouldn't give two shit about this whole thing anyways. But then blackbow acted like a biased badmin which lead me to report this whole case. It was more like to write a complain about blackbow than to get your ass handed by the admin Team. As you got banned for 3 days First I didn't even think about that whole thing twice.


I guess things turned out misfortuned for you.

All I can say about this whole shit in one sentence is:

I wanted the admin Team to tell blackbow how to do his Job as an admin, not to get people perma banned randomely cus they are secretly bjord going full retard drunk Mode at 2 am.

I don't even like bjord but I think he should be unbanned, if he stops playing c-rpg drunk at 2am and not giving a fuck.


But in the end the admins are deciding if he should be unbanned or not, so yeah.

[sF_Guardian]

Claiming you've changed for the better while still behaving the same won't really support your case.
From what I've witnessed lately you haven't changed at all and if just for worse.

Not that I'd really care, if I had anything to decide here I'd unban him ASAP since all players in cRPG should have grown a skin thick enough to be able to deal with the childish and retarded behaviour Bjord is a prime example of. Besides that Bjord seemed like a pretty reasonable dude on Ts while I was in Risen with him back in 2011 or so, he just doesn't translate that over to his behaviour ingame.

[POOPHAMMER]

Well the way I see it, you can be an asshole in game all you want. Seriously even I am an asshole a lot. I honestly do not care if clanmates/friends fuck around, the game is too small to ban people for having fun even if they are tking each other, if they want to waste their time and have fun doing it, be my guest!, but when you start to do it to others that do not want it, and keep doing it, then we have a problem

[the real god emperor]

give him run

[Yeldur]

Thats this stance that is a bit over the top for me    and some admins seem to agree with that.
They have the power, they got to decide, I dont; just throwing my piece here, because I've seen a bunch of dudes getting perma'ed for fuck all.
I would prefer a thriving cRPG community with a bunch of ragers than a smaller one, with silent players swinging around mindlessly.

Why is that over the top? I don't see anything wrong with the belief that if a person is going to continuously break rules after two warnings there's not a chance that they'll ever stop. I'd say that's much more than a reasonable assumption.

Obviously each punishment is different for each admin, and some people get banned for silly reasons but for the most part I think the punishment system here fits fine, it's what "works" for C-RPG, and I'm not trying to say that it should change, just that I believe that this punishment system is far too lax for my own liking.