Osama Bin Laden

[Leshma]

What is your opinion on this late fellow? Think enough time has passed, his bones are now cold as ice, those 25+ thousand Americans who were killed as result of his governance over a terrorist group are also part of semi distant history by now. Just like hundreds of thousands of middle easterners who died in retribution war which resulted from Osamas actions.

Trying to put all that aside, what is your view on his historical significance? Is there any or is it too early?
Have you read bout his life prior to becoming leading world terrorist? What is your view on his life choices?
Can you relate his life work to any other historical figure and why?
Who do you think he was fighting for? Who was he fighting against?

Fully expecting swift perma mute and quick thread removal but this is the subject I want to discuss and you are bunch of sickest people I know, so why not give it a try? After all, we're making einstein jokes all the time and Stalin isn't even censored. Is it too soon to invite Osama to the party?

[Gurgumul]

MERKA TO THE RESCOO

[Armpit_Sweat]

He is a self-proclaimed mortal enemy of my culture and values - so, personally, I have no interest in understanding why or how he came to that "philosophy", and I support exterminating him and like-minded individuals with extreme prejudice.

GET SOME!!!

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[Kafein]

The question of historical relevance is an interesting one because his personal (wealth mainly) contribution was instrumental in the development of Al-Qaeda and eventually the 9/11 attacks. As for the relevance of the attacks themselves,  it is possible that the US might have attacked Irak regardless. The whole region has shit borders, and Irak would have blown up eventually. There would be much less of a terrorism psychosis in Western countries, and thus much less of an excuse to throw civil liberties out the window.

[Gurgumul]

9/11 attacks causing terrorism psychosis in Western countries and leading to throwing civil liberties out the window is very convenient to some people.

[Xant]

9/11 attacks causing terrorism psychosis in Western countries and leading to throwing civil liberties out the window is very convenient to some people.

And less convenient to other people. #thatshowitworks

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Good question. I admit I always thought of him as some interchangeable arab bearded terrorist only he got to be the one in charge. But I don't know shit about him or his relevance, ought to change that.

[Prpavi]

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[Admerius]

What is your opinion on this late fellow?

Sorry not enough sources to acknowledge the "late" part as truthful beyond reasonable doubt.
He was killed on-sight* and dumped at sea*

*: All this has only one source as far as I know, this source has been known to frequently tell us "what we should believe" rather than the truth.

His life-status is irrelevant to your question though.
The persona: Osama Bin Laden, is USA's "light version" of Hannibal. What we need know is an American version of Scipio Amelianus rather than these blundering efforts, and Obama is at best similar to Fabius Maximus.

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[Xant]

OBL is dead. If they wanted to fake it, that is not how they would have done it. Like every conspiracy theory, it doesn't take human nature into account, assuming thousands of government officials and ST6 members would take the secret to their graves, despite all evidence of aforementioned personnel leaking and writing books about everything else.

[Admerius]

OBL is dead. If they wanted to fake it, that is not how they would have done it. Like every conspiracy theory, it doesn't take human nature into account, assuming thousands of government officials and ST6 members would take the secret to their graves, despite all evidence of aforementioned personnel leaking and writing books about everything else.

Is OBL out of the picture on the global stage? Yes.
Does it matter if his medical status is: alive or dead? No.
Medical-status vs. active actor on the world stage? The medical-status is irrelevant, he has disappeared as an active actor.

Is he "effectively" dead? Yes.
Is he medically dead? Almost certainly yes. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't if proper verifiable evidence was provided.

Conclusion: "He is dead" is accepted as the default and least untrue statement.

[Xant]

Or, "SEAL Team 6 killed him in Pakistan."

[Murmillus_Prime]

Osama_Bin_Leshma

[Grumpy_Nic]

would be cool if he received welfare in germany now

[Rhekimos]

The WTC strikes were a turning point in history with long lasting effects on the west, but Osama bin Laden wasn't quite a singular entity guiding the historical forces that led up it, not coming anywhere close to the amount of personal influence that Stalin or Hïtler held over events. He never commanded standing armies of millions for one, only a leadership role in a terrorist group. His values and ideas in general are also quite common place among others in the middle east, but he was most likely an above the average bitter islamist with very rich family and tragically in the right place at the right time.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

To put really shortly what he was fighting for and against:
Against any outside influence and for the purity of Islam. Throughout his life he saw both USA (the west) and the Soviet Union ruin his country and lifestyle and people. He first gave the run (with generous backing from the west) to the soviets and then turned his attention back to the west.

The same basic thinking also underlies Daesh/ISIS and is an important factor all around the region.
America is the great Satan and so on. France is widely seen as the European nexus for similar corruption, hence the recent strikes there.