So... French cuck leftists?

[Kafein]

Showed you an article laying out how sociologists (Tumblr ground zero, I've said this to you over and over and over, and it seems to fly over your head everytime, Tumblr is merely a symptom of a much more entrenched and powerful sector of academia) influenced actual law with their retarded interpretations, literally erasing the existence of ethnic french people, and you still ignore it and pretend it has no influence on policy, on law, on media, on government, on the general zeitgeist of this generation, when it defines and determines it again and again and again. Is it wilfull ignorance? Arrogant complacency, completely incapable of recognizing the effects this retarded interpretation (I'd say it has supplanted the "old" interpretation a while ago, and is the new norm) of this ideology has on reality? I don't know. Keep pretending it's just a couple of Tumblr morons with no power whatsoever and not elites placed at the highest levels of influence if it makes you feel better.

Tell me, what kind of power do sociologists hold? Beside poisoning the mind of their own students? I do not deny that this goes rampant in parts of academia nobody cares about. If anything it's less noteworthy than on Tumblr (in Europe anyway). What do you mean by erasing the existence of ethnic French people in law? Back in the 50s you'd have to prove French descent to the 5th generation before buying land or something? I don't think so. And if anything, this generation is more level-headed on those issues than people who were 20 in 1968.

[Angantyr]

It's integral to much of current European political thought, also among top officials.

[Oberyn]

So is your assertion that "weak pseudo-sciences are effectively powerless outside of universities and the brainwashing of a few losers who never end up in positions of power"? You realize political sciences are part of this mess, yes? What about journalism oriented degrees? I guess the answer to my question is "wilfull ignorance". Considering the number of times you've dismissed the flood of ideological propaganda from a perspective you yourself deem retarded and yet is present and influential in practically every facet of western societies and governments as nothing more than a few isolated, powerless tumblrites, not sure why I even asked the question.
And I quite clearly showed the difference between what was considered a common description and conception of the french ethnicity as explicitly stated by Charle de Gaulle, you might have heard of him maybe, you think he pulled it out of his ass?, and that of today, which is the complete refusal on a legal level to even accept that there is such a thing as a french ethnicity at all. Did you read the article? Did you understand it? How much more cognitive dissonance between reality and whatever passes for thought in your head can you take before you realize something is amiss?   

[Leshma]

Does not compute

It's the old communist way of studying, before group effort craze started. Before presentations in front of whole class, group assignments, workshops, all that jazz that serves a purpose to shape students into efficient team members. Old ways were you, your trusty old books, classes you could skip (which will make it harder to understand the subject), you were left to study in your own way. Then one day you sit across professors desk, pull out three questions and make magic happen.

[Molly]

Well, with Frontex soon being able to ignore national sovereignty and Turkey bribed into ignoring basic human rights, refugee problem soon to be solved. Right?

/thread

[Oberyn]

http://www.spj.org/divguidelines.asp

Guidelines for Countering Racial, Ethnic and Religious Profiling

On Oct. 6, 2001 at its National Convention in Seattle, the Society of Professional Journalists passed a resolution urging members and fellow journalists to take steps against racial profiling in their coverage of the war on terrorism and to reaffirm their commitment to:
— Use language that is informative and not inflammatory;

— Portray Muslims, Arabs and Middle Eastern and South Asian Americans in the richness of their diverse experiences;

— Seek truth through a variety of voices and perspectives that help audiences understand the complexities of the events in Pennsylvania, New York City and Washington, D.C.
Guidelines

Visual images
— Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing Americans mourning those lost in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

— Seek out people from a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds when photographing rescue and other public service workers and military personnel.

— Do not represent Arab Americans and Muslims as monolithic groups. Avoid conveying the impression that all Arab Americans and Muslims wear traditional clothing.

— Use photos and features to demystify veils, turbans and other cultural articles and customs.
Stories
— Seek out and include Arabs and Arab Americans, Muslims, South Asians and men and women of Middle Eastern descent in all stories about the war, not just those about Arab and Muslim communities or racial profiling.

— Cover the victims of harassment, murder and other hate crimes as thoroughly as you cover the victims of overt terrorist attacks.

— Make an extra effort to include olive-complexioned and darker men and women, Sikhs, Muslims and devout religious people of all types in arts, business, society columns and all other news and feature coverage, not just stories about the crisis.

— Seek out experts on military strategies, public safety, diplomacy, economics and other pertinent topics who run the spectrum of race, class, gender and geography.

— When writing about terrorism, remember to include white supremacist, radical anti-abortionists and other groups with a history of such activity.

— Do not imply that kneeling on the floor praying, listening to Arabic music or reciting from the Quran are peculiar activities.

— When describing Islam, keep in mind there are large populations of Muslims around the world, including in Africa, Asia, Canada, Europe, India and the United States. Distinguish between various Muslim states; do not lump them together as in constructions such as "the fury of the Muslim world."

— Avoid using word combinations such as "Islamic terrorist" or "Muslim extremist" that are misleading because they link whole religions to criminal activity. Be specific: Alternate choices, depending on context, include "Al Qaeda terrorists" or, to describe the broad range of groups involved in Islamic politics, "political Islamists." Do not use religious characterizations as shorthand when geographic, political, socioeconomic or other distinctions might be more accurate.

— Avoid using terms such as "jihad" unless you are certain of their precise meaning and include the context when they are used in quotations. The basic meaning of "jihad" is to exert oneself for the good of Islam and to better oneself.

— Consult the Library of Congress guide for transliteration of Arabic names and Muslim or Arab words to the Roman alphabet. Use spellings preferred by the American Muslim Council, including "Muhammad," "Quran," and "Makkah ," not "Mecca."

— Regularly seek out a variety of perspectives for your opinion pieces. Check your coverage against the five Maynard Institute for Journalism Education fault lines of race and ethnicity, class, geography, gender and generation.

— Ask men and women from within targeted communities to review your coverage and make suggestions.

Incidentally the google translate for that De Gaulle quote, since I'm sure many don't give enough of a fuck for a simple google translate:

"It is very good that there are yellow French, French blacks, browns French. They show that France is open to all races and has a universal vocation. But provided they remain a small minority. Otherwise, France would not be France. We are still primarily a European people Caucasian, Greek and Latin culture and Christian religion. We do not tell stories! Muslims, you went to see them? You watched them with their turbans and djellabas? You see that these are not the French! Those who advocate integration have a hummingbird brains, even if they are very learned. Try to incorporate oil and vinegar. Shake the bottle. After a while, they will separate again. The Arabs are Arabs, the French are French. You believe that the French body can absorb ten million Muslims, who tomorrow will be twenty million and forty after tomorrow? If we did the integration, if all the Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered French, how do we prevent it from coming to settle in metropolis, while the standard of living is so much higher? My village will be called more Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises, but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosques!"

Also note that in the original speech he literally says "white race", which is auto-translated to Caucasian by google, lol.

[Leshma]

Think I proffered bitchy Oberyn throwing insults left and right, over this Oberyn the researcher.

[Molly]

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[Moncho]

No, Ukraine was being invaded by Russia in 2015, neither busy with religion nor doing science

[Butan]

Incidentally the google translate for that De Gaulle quote, since I'm sure many don't give enough of a fuck for a simple google translate:

"It is very good that there are yellow French, French blacks, browns French. They show that France is open to all races and has a universal vocation. But provided they remain a small minority. Otherwise, France would not be France. We are still primarily a European people Caucasian, Greek and Latin culture and Christian religion. We do not tell stories! Muslims, you went to see them? You watched them with their turbans and djellabas? You see that these are not the French! Those who advocate integration have a hummingbird brains, even if they are very learned. Try to incorporate oil and vinegar. Shake the bottle. After a while, they will separate again. The Arabs are Arabs, the French are French. You believe that the French body can absorb ten million Muslims, who tomorrow will be twenty million and forty after tomorrow? If we did the integration, if all the Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered French, how do we prevent it from coming to settle in metropolis, while the standard of living is so much higher? My village will be called more Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises, but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosques!"

Also note that in the original speech he literally says "white race", which is auto-translated to Caucasian by google, lol.

Yep, De Gaulle said stupid, incredibly racist things, your point is?
It was normal back then, but if you still believe and fight for this in 2015, there is no hope for you...
We can all agree that France can not, without great strains, tomorrow incorporate 20 millions "turbaned" muslims (visitors can't see pics , please register or login
), but it will not have to because its simply an illusive xenophobic fear. If we were really "invaded", we would know by the demographics, as you said...

Even if, somehow, the % of muslims in France increased from birth alone, those would be children of France's education, which is the first tool of a government to make it possible to mix vinegar and oil.

[Oberyn]

No, De Gaulle said completely rational, relevant and intelligent things. You perceive them as stupid and incredibly racist because you are a brainwashed stupid little cuck with no conception of history and completely blinkered into an irrational, self-loathing ideology determined to destroy and erase the past and fighting for a future hostile to everything it stood for and represented. Literally all our great figures in history, our great thinkers, our great philosophers, any french person in fact before the 1960's, are no more than "stupid and incredibly racist" according to your perception. "Dead old white men", said with a sneer, I've run into it again and again. The absolute contempt cunts like you show for any of the values of european civilization pre-1960's is evident. Again, the only values we are still allowed to be proud of are these brand new one conceived entirely in an attempt to destroy everything that came before, as if there was nothing but shame and guilt in our past. It's the clear goal of the traitorous post-modernists whose pathetic, self-destructive values have become the norm in occidental culture, addopted wholeheartedly by people like you. 

"the % of muslims in France increased from birth alone, those would be children of France's education, which is the first tool of a government to make it possible to mix vinegar and oil"

Oh yeah, that's working sooooo well, muslims just love France, love it's culture, love it's history, love it's past, love it's people, our indoctrination methods are 100% effective, change nothing, stay the current course, have aboslute faith in our pathetic attempts at social engineering. And we DO know by the demographics, or rather we would if they weren't deliberately hidden. The idea that that the praised and highest in Europe 2.0+ birthrate is in any way due to native birthrate and not the "french" second and third generation immigrants is laughable. But the very idea of the french being a people is "incredibly stupid and racist", so of course you have no problem with it. There is no such thing as a french ethnicity, so they have just as much claim as being french as anyone else.

http://www.theonion.com/article/report-stating-current-year-still-leading-argument-35288

[Utrakil]

Oberyn would you mind to elaborate what "values of european civilization pre-1960's" you are so proud of that are rejected by the "cuck leftists"?
And furthermore I would like to read what are the traits or values that make the French to be French. I find it easier to follow if those thing are clearly named.

[Oberyn]

A sense of national (as in the dictionary definition of nation, not the amended post-modernist ridiculousness) and ethnic identity, something present and observable in every single cultural group that isn't trying to kill itself. Just look at the rest of the planet. Japan is a pretty good example. They are not betraying and contemptuously shitting all over their past as if they were some sort of New Men, morally superior by far to all the "stupid racists", who actually had a sense of collective identity, that came before them. Pretty much what Charle de Gaulle stated clearly. European white race influenced deeply by greek, roman then christian culture. Something that was blatantly obvious to any scholar or historian before the post-modernists came along and started assaulting the very meaning of meaning.

[Oberyn]

http://www.svt.se/svts/article5384068.svt/BINARY/Sverigespegling%20p%C3%A5%20SVT%20Nyheter.pdf

-Don't use the word "immigrant"
-Don't describe the appearance of illegals who commit crimes if they're from Africa or the mideast
-Terrorists with swedish passports are to be described as "swedes".
-If anyone claims to have been the victim of discrimination or a hate crime they are to be believed at face value

"Språk är makt. Språk är också politik. Språk signalerar normer"
"Language is power. Language is also politics. Language signals norms"

SVT is the swedish public broadcaster. These are the norms they are obligated to follow. But hey, it's just a couple of retard sociologists stuck in universities and their tumblrite followers, right Kafein? They have sooo little influence out in the real world.

[Utrakil]

You see the funny thing about national identity is it is subject to change through all history.
Is french identity based on celtic religion? I guess no because they were assimilated by the romans. and their panteon. but is the roman culture the base of your national identity? maybe in some parts. but then the germanic franks invaded and introduced germanic culture into france. the roman panteon was replaced by christianity. then the identity as one of the most powerfull kingdoms was replaced by the pride to be the first democracy...
You see what I want to show is that the national or ethnic identity is fluid and subject to constant change. And these changes are unstoppable no matter how hard anybody might try.
So maybe it might be worth the consideration if your national pride should be based on how well you handle change and how good you can make use of influences and changes instead of building your pride on how desperate you are trying to keep what will eventually be lost anyways.

edit: thanks Paul