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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2015, 12:10:44 pm »
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You can stop being afraid now pepe... Chances are you will die by something else, even if u visit merica.

And the "assault by a firearm" goes down by a whole lot if you're not a young black male living in a ghetto...

Well, yeah.

I bet about 75% of all assault by firearm involved drugs, gangs, police or domestic violence where victims were related to murderer.


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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2015, 12:42:19 pm »
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No, the main fact here is that in the US you have the option to have a gun on you to even the odds. Criminals can get guns in every country.
How many criminals with guns have you seen in Finland?

False.
Not really.
 
Because I'm not afraid of guns and I'm not pro-nanny state.
Lets arm everyone with nuclear weapons. Lets have proper non-nanny freedom state.

That's called psychological projection. You're afraid so you're projecting your fear on me. Sorry, I'm not scared or paranoid -- the opposite, in fact. Since guns are such an emotionally charged and scary subject for you that you can't think clearly, here's an analogy: if Joe says "let's not ban kitchen knives" and Bob says "no, no, let's ban kitchen knives!" which one is scared? Joe or Bob? Hard question, I know.

Well. Yeah. Ofcourse im scared. Long distance murder weapons that really serve no other purpose to society but to "protect an individual and his family when neccessary". Ofcourse being necessary is so fucking relative. And its really not a projection if you are scared too. You clearly claimed that you are scared that criminals might outgun you. You dont have any factual backing of that. Which makes it nothing more than a fear. In Finland people punch eachother and stab.

Why would I trust you? What a retarded assumption. Why wouldn't I have a gun on me "when I need it"?

Why would you? Do you claim that whenever you go out you will arm yourself always? The other point is that if an agressive tard suddenly does pull a gun on you specifically on the street, you would be lucky as fuck to even reach your gun and aim it back at him before getting shot in the face yourself. The big problem with "defending" yourself with a gun against a gunman is that you can never see the fucker coming.

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2015, 01:25:58 pm »
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Why did this thread turn into a gun argument thread

OP link has much more disgusting shit than that , kid's mom getting executed and shit , wtf is all this , wish I lived in Germany and never seen that shit.

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2015, 01:30:24 pm »
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How many criminals with guns have you seen in Finland?
Five or so.

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Not really.
Prove it.

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Lets arm everyone with nuclear weapons. Lets have proper non-nanny freedom state.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

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Well. Yeah. Ofcourse im scared.
And there we have it.

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Long distance murder weapons that really serve no other purpose to society but to "protect an individual and his family when neccessary".
Plenty other purposes as well, like collecting and target shooting and hunting. Not that the right to protect yourself isn't enough.

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And its really not a projection if you are scared too.
Yes. Except I'm not; and you, self-admittedly, are. Therefore it is a projection.

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You clearly claimed that you are scared that criminals might outgun you.
Nope.

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You dont have any factual backing of that. Which makes it nothing more than a fear. In Finland people punch eachother and stab.
Factual backing for something I never said? By golly, you're right. I should make sure to have factual backing for everyone else's imaginary scenarios from now on.

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Why would you? Do you claim that whenever you go out you will arm yourself always? The other point is that if an agressive tard suddenly does pull a gun on you specifically on the street, you would be lucky as fuck to even reach your gun and aim it back at him before getting shot in the face yourself. The big problem with "defending" yourself with a gun against a gunman is that you can never see the fucker coming.
If I had a CCW permit, yes, why wouldn't I arm myself always? And again, stop projecting. You wouldn't see it coming. You wouldn't have time to reach for your gun before getting shot in the face.
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2015, 01:43:43 pm »
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I could debate with you endlessly. But I suppose you seeing someone elses viewpoint other than his own, is just asking too much. Which makes basically every attempt futile.

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2015, 01:45:16 pm »
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I could debate with you endlessly. But I suppose you seeing someone elses viewpoint other than his own, is just asking too much. Which makes basically every attempt futile.
That makes literally no sense considering what you've said previously. You haven't been offering "your viewpoint", you've been claiming I'm scared and paranoid and that I wouldn't have my gun with me, etc., i.e., just making shit up.
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2015, 01:53:39 pm »
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Honestly, you made no fcking sense either. So I decided to not bother. And what else is a claim that "criminals get guns anyway, I need one too", than fear and paranoia?

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2015, 01:55:54 pm »
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Honestly, you made no fcking sense either.
Amazing, that has all the information value of a "no u" or perhaps a "omg ur dumb." Perhaps you should join a debate team.


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So I decided to not bother.
I can see why you'd feel that way when you realized you had no leg to stand on.

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And what else is a claim that "criminals get guns anyway, I need one too", than fear and paranoia?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2015, 02:04:43 pm »
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You arent worthy of anything more than "no u". I had a leg. Why bother to stand with it, while you are the type of person who just quickly tapes one randomly together and tries desperately to stand with it.

The slippery slope fallacity was accurate yes. And I commonly use that one and I believe it works. But that really wasnt a strawman and you didnt awnser it. What else is a claim that "criminals get guns anyway, I need one too", than fear and paranoia? From a person who lives in a country where gunviolence and guns are barely even existent.

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2015, 02:12:53 pm »
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You arent worthy of anything more than "no u".
You mean you aren't capable of anything more than a "no u." Your desperate attempts to rationalize your way out of a losing argument are rather pitiful, Tibe. You already made long posts to me, then suddenly, when I call you on your made up crap, you can't say anything more than "no u"? Uh-huh, do tell us more.

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I had a leg. Why bother to stand with it, while you are the type of person who just quickly tapes one randomly together and tries desperately to stand with it.
Citation needed. Show us some examples. What's that? You can't?

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But that really wasnt a strawman and you didnt awnser it.
Yes it was. Show me where I said that.

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What else is a claim that "criminals get guns anyway, I need one too", than fear and paranoia?
Show me where I said that.
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2015, 02:25:26 pm »
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Dude. For fucks sake. You tape more legs together. Even if I kick a few down you just keep going. Id rather lose an argument than spend all day making 50 long posts with a guy who desperately crawls his way to be on top of an argument. I think ive proven more than enough that im willing to lose an argument if it is a solid one. Ive done so in the past and claimed im in the wrong.

You just throw some absolutely agressive gibberish towards the poster than the actual point. And you didnt really awnser to anything I asked. Which made me just quit on early. You may now proceed to slander me and claim I was full of shit. Im done replying.

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2015, 02:36:11 pm »
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Dude. For fucks sake. You tape more legs together. Even if I kick a few down you just keep going.
Newsflash: just because you say something doesn't make it so. I asked you to provide an example. You failed. Instead you repeat the same claim. Are you trying to collect all logical fallacies?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question


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Id rather lose an argument than spend all day making 50 long posts with a guy who desperately crawls his way to be on top of an argument. I think ive proven more than enough that im willing to lose an argument if it is a solid one. Ive done so in the past and claimed im in the wrong.
Three sentences where you're trying to justify your inability to provide coherent, logical arguments with irrelevant accusations and details.

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You just throw some absolutely agressive gibberish towards the poster than the actual point. And you didnt really awnser to anything I asked. Which made me just quit on early. You may now proceed to slander me and claim I was full of shit. Im done replying.
How can I answer your questions when you're claiming I've said things I haven't said? I asked you twice to show me where I said what you claimed I said. Again, you failed to do so. Want to know why? Because you can't show something that doesn't exist. And the most hilarious thing is that you can't see how retarded your claims are. It's like me saying
"Tibe, you said ice cream causes nuclear wars. How do they cause nuclear wars?"
"I never said that, Xant."
"OMG TIBE WHY CANT YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS???? THIS IS WHY I QUIT EARLY."
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2015, 03:08:25 pm »
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You just throw some absolutely agressive gibberish towards the poster than the actual point. And you didnt really awnser to anything I asked. Which made me just quit on early. You may now proceed to slander me and claim I was full of shit. Im done replying.

Congratulations, you now receive the "I've tried debating with Xant once" certificate  :P

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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2015, 03:25:18 pm »
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A big talking point for detractors of well-armed self defense practices

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seems to be the statement that if you were suddenly met with an armed foe, you would be at such a severe disadvantage that being armed is meaningless for you. That is all fine and well, but let me bring at least a little bit of freshness into "my side" of the argument.

I'll let the usual suspects handle the ideological debate, but there are potential threats aside from nasty, unsavory humans. It is highly unfortunate, but some of those nasty humans will poorly train dogs of vicious disposition. Even worse, there are the real scumbags that train the things to fight one another. Now sometimes, these "wow why don't we execute these cunts" types will allow their killer pooches to run around freely. When confronted with a pitbull looking to perforate my femoral artery, I'm NOT gonna want to rely on my own two hands, feet, and teeth to bring me through that confrontation. I'm going to want a semi-automatic pistol of no lower than .380 calibre with no fewer than 8 rounds. Those doggies can be absolute TERRORS.

And that is just a particularly horrific example. I keep muh precious chickens, as I've posted here a couple times, and I don't really want to tangle with a rabid coon or hungry coyote looking for free poultry....least, not with a bat or club. If I hit a deer on the way home and maim the poor critter, I'm going to want a method to quickly put the thing down. There are myriad uses for a good ole' rooty-tooty-point-n'-shooty aside from blasting bad guys.

That being said, I am only concerned with my own legal possession and carry of firearms. I'm in a place that is very kind to that concern. I've also never even lived in an apartment, much less actually used public transportation (lol what's that). My perspective is wildly different from others. But I adore living in semi-rural America. Least the bit I'm in, anyway.
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Re: No Germans Allowed
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2015, 03:33:48 pm »
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